Quote from: Jeremybozz on July 10, 2010, 07:09:35 PM
Didn't know Tyler Sanborn was in the NBA Summer League with the Lakers until I saw him come into the game. He competed well on defense and made some good rebounds.

Unfortunately for him, he's completely out of his league on offense and is too slow to defend the pick and roll on the NBA level.

Quote from: ODACHOOPS on June 29, 2010, 08:34:00 AM
It is crazy to think that every school follows every rule to a T.  If you think "outside the box" and have a little creativity then finding ways to give a coach housing, put him on a meal plan, pay him a salary increase out of a summer camp etc isn't all that hard.  Teams must be creative and come up with unique ways to increase coaches "financial packages."  If not then you have the case of W&L where every two years you are having a turnover (whether it's intended to be like that or not) and that makes winning at a consistent rate much harder to do.  It's hard enough to lure in assistant coaches to the D3 level you must find ways to make that job look better then advertised. That may mean on campus living, meal plan, "assistant cross-country coach" aka monitor kids running for an hr everyday etc.

And all that would be required to be put on the DOE report as that is compensation for athletics employees...

Quote from: badcall! on June 26, 2010, 10:44:32 PM
Odachoops is correct, the average salary reported by the data is far below what assistant basketball coaches are truly making.  The figures are skewed because institutions add additional duties to coaches to make them full time to boost salaries.  These additional duties and salaries are not represented in the data.  Excluding Lynchburg, EMU, E&H and Randolph, the average salaray for an assistant mens baskeball coach in the ODAC is about 25,000.  Throw in the fact that many of the institutions throw in room and board that is not represented in salary and the figures become even more hard to interpret.  I can tell you this as a lifelong valley resident and fan of the ODAC and close supporter of both BC and EMU, I found it crazy that the longtime assistant at BC with Leatherman was making more than some of the head coaches in the ODAC and the entire staff of EMU combined.  EMU has an assistant coaching stipend of $3,000.  Talk about getting it done with little or no assistance from the college-great job Kirby!

Each school is basically required by law to report ALL forms of compensation given to coaches. Room and board falls under the realm of compensation. Unless the school uses deceptive accounting strategies to make it appear that such compensation as room and board does not come out of athletic team budgets, then the athletic department is required to report that as compensation in the report.

Quote from: badcall! on June 27, 2010, 09:58:53 AM
Regarding the salaries everyone has to keep in mind also that it is an average of mens sports and womens sports, not just basketball.  Obviously a $1,500 stipend for an assistant womens vollebyall coach is going to bring down the average, etc.  On average the basketball assistants in the ODAC both mens and womens are some of the highest paid assistants in the sports arena of the ODAC due to the nature of being on the road so much recruiting.  The highest paid assistant coaches that I am aware of in the ODAC are at HSC where the two basketball assistants make about 38k each.  Now they do much more than just basketball to generate that salary but basketball is their primary focus.  Anyway they're probably all underpaid for the amount of work they do and time they spend on the road away from their families.  Most just use it as a stepping stone to hopefully bigger gigs that pay better.

The averages I sighted were separated by the gender of the sport. An assistant women's volleyball coach's salary, therefore, would not effect the average of the men's assistant coaches...

Quote from: ODACHOOPS on June 20, 2010, 12:09:52 AM
You can't go by what some third party website says to get a accurate amount for what any coach at any level is getting paid.  Those numbers don't include what coaches bring in from camps, boosters, fundraising etc all of which play a significant role in coach's salaries.  Some head coaches account for up to 25-30% of their salary from camps.  I know some program pay their assistance a large amount of money out of boosters or camp profit in order to increase the salary given for that position by the school.  None of that is taken into consideration on those websites.   

All I know is that W&L is one of if not the wealthiest school in the ODAC.  As of two years ago they paid their assistance coach somewhere around 20-25k.  At that same time period Hampden-Sydney's assistance was making around 35-40k. I didn't bring up this point in an attempt to bring down W&L only to make the point that the money may have played an effect in Caleb leaving W&L as well as why they tend to go through assistant coaches quicker than the average ODAC basketball school.

And I can assure you that not 1 men's assistant basketball coach (1st assistant that is) in the entire ODAC is making 10k a year.  Those numbers are so skewed from sports like cross country, tennis, golf etc.

That third party website happens to be the US Department of Education and it is illegal to lie on that report as the report concerns Title IX funding.

Quote from: ODACHOOPS on June 17, 2010, 07:07:38 PM
Surprisingly...For as wealthy and financially stable as Washington and Lee is and considering that Hutchingson is if not the highest paid coach in the ODAC definitely one of, Washington and Lee pays their assistant coach very little money.  I'm not saying this is the sole reason as to why W&L has had several assistants come and go over the past couple of years but is has to play a role.

W&L assistants, on average, are paid significantly more than the ODAC average. The ODAC average for an assistant coach, in 2008 (the most recent data available on the DOE website) was 9,913 for men's teams and 4,845 for women's teams. The NCAA Division III (with football) average was 8,512 and 5,241. The average for DIII (without football) is 3,822 and 3,556.

W&L's average is 14,319 and 9,357 respectively.

W&L assistants have it good compared to the majority of Division III
http://www.ope.ed.gov/athletics/

Quote from: hasanova on March 03, 2010, 06:30:59 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2010, 05:00:41 PM
I've long thought it odd that it's cheaper to attend the Stagg Bowl than a Christopher Newport game.

Just curious, but what does CNU charge for football home games?

http://www.cnusports.com/sports/2009/8/7/GEN_0807093621.aspx?tab=tickets
Chairback  $15
Reserved Bleacher $10
General Admission $ 7

Yeah, $10 for a bleacher seat for a regular season game! Absurd if you ask me...

Quote from: deanslist on March 03, 2010, 01:02:15 PM
Tickets for the NCAA Tournament at EMU and Guilford are cheaper than the ODAC Tournament. Just thought that was interesting.

NCAA sets the ticket prices for any NCAA Tournament game in any sport, plus the ODAC has to pay to cover the costs of everyone who works the event and for facility rent, so of course their ticket prices are going to be more. Those are not issues one would have at their own on-campus facility.

Quote from: hasanova on February 28, 2010, 09:27:28 PM

Quote from: therock on February 28, 2010, 05:09:39 PM
And Lynchburg is the only one to hang within 10 points of Guilford in the ODAC Tournament. Never expected to say that, actually expected Lynchburg to get blown out in the quarterfinals. Guilford was without a doubt the best team of the bunch for this weekend. The best balanced team in the conference and role players like Brad Monroe came up big for the Quakers in all three games.

LC played well, but GC missed 16 FT's in that game, some the front end of one-and-ones.

And that was the the 11th game this season in which Guilford has made 65% or less of their free throws. Sanborn was 5-12 from the line, he shoots 57% for the season, so a bad performance at the line for him is the expectation, and LC apparently took advantage with that as he took 12 free throw attempts and only made 5. Looks like its just about as likely for the Quakers to miss a lot of free throws as it is for them to miss just a few FTs. "Hack-a-Sanborn" - sounds like a sound strategy to potentially try out.

And Lynchburg is the only one to hang within 10 points of Guilford in the ODAC Tournament. Never expected to say that, actually expected Lynchburg to get blown out in the quarterfinals. Guilford was without a doubt the best team of the bunch for this weekend. The best balanced team in the conference and role players like Brad Monroe came up big for the Quakers in all three games.

Quote from: deangn on February 27, 2010, 07:55:00 PM
What a fabulous game!!!  R-M beat EMU 82-80. Philips makes 2 free throws with .1 seconds remaining to break the tie!  Unbelievable game.  Congratulations to both teams on a marvelous effort.

actually it was danny jones. todd phillips committed a foul in the double bonus after an offensive rebound to put jones at the line

Quote from: Emu435 on February 26, 2010, 12:18:42 AM
POY:  Todd Phillips
COY:  Kirby Dean
FOY:  George
good luck to all the teams this weekend.  and safe travels to all making the trip down to Salem.

The awards were handed out Thursday evening, Sanborn got POY...

Quote from: donho on February 25, 2010, 07:58:52 PM
Interesting because if you take the time to really look at the picks they seem to be spot on. The only one I questioned was Turner King, but after looking closer there really is no one on the first team I would bump down so as to move him up.
  But then who am I ?

Agree, this had to be one of the toughest years to pick the teams, especially the first-team.

Quote from: donho on February 25, 2010, 07:40:39 PM
Very interesting picks.

Quote from: therock on February 25, 2010, 07:37:53 PM
POY: Sanborn
COY: Kirby Dean
FOY: George
Scholar Athlete of the Year: Ben Goetsch

First team: Steven Echols, Stephen Fields, Clay Henson, Todd Phillips, Tyler Sanborn, Dominic Trawick

Second team: Rhett Bonner, Brandon Braxton, Ben Goetsch, George Johnson, Turner King, Donald Vaughn

Honorable Mention: Kendrick Chittock, Eli Crawford, Harrison George, Terrance Grigg, D.J. Hinson, Jason Rutschman

Interesting how?

POY: Sanborn
COY: Kirby Dean
FOY: George
Scholar Athlete of the Year: Ben Goetsch

First team: Steven Echols, Stephen Fields, Clay Henson, Todd Phillips, Tyler Sanborn, Dominic Trawick

Second team: Rhett Bonner, Brandon Braxton, Ben Goetsch, George Johnson, Turner King, Donald Vaughn

Honorable Mention: Kendrick Chittock, Eli Crawford, Harrison George, Terrance Grigg, D.J. Hinson, Jason Rutschman