Quote from: Caz Bombers on May 04, 2022, 04:54:35 PM

Quote from: wildthngvaughn on May 04, 2022, 04:49:13 PM
How exactly does Roger Williams go from being ranked #5 in Region 2 at 24-3-1, and then go 1-4 over the next five games.  But somehow rise two spots in the rankings to #3.  Granted those five games were probably the hardest 5 game stretch in the entire country.  Losing three games to #2 ECSU, losing to what I believe is the 2nd best team in New England, Salve Regina and their soon to be All-American pitcher.  And defeating a good UMASS-Boston team.  But how is it possible to go 1-4 and still go up in the rankings?

Note:  I am basing their #5 ranking in the First Regional Rankings on what was posted on D3Baseball.com.  The article by Shawn Spence makes it seem like Roger Williams was #1 in the First Regional Rankings and not #5.

first ranking is just alphabetical order. That's uniform across all D3 sports, but I think it's new this school year.

Looks like you are correct, the first rankings were alphabetical.  Which begs the question, why?  Why would they do the rankings, but then not actually rank the teams.  But only do this the first time.  Every other time, it's normal rankings.  Why just the first time?
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How exactly does Roger Williams go from being ranked #5 in Region 2 at 24-3-1, and then go 1-4 over the next five games.  But somehow rise two spots in the rankings to #3.  Granted those five games were probably the hardest 5 game stretch in the entire country.  Losing three games to #2 ECSU, losing to what I believe is the 2nd best team in New England, Salve Regina and their soon to be All-American pitcher.  And defeating a good UMASS-Boston team.  But how is it possible to go 1-4 and still go up in the rankings?

Note:  I am basing their #5 ranking in the First Regional Rankings on what was posted on D3Baseball.com.  The article by Shawn Spence makes it seem like Roger Williams was #1 in the First Regional Rankings and not #5.

Do regional rankings matter in regards to at-large bids or is everything pulled together for one big national ranking system.  For example, it seems that with New England now split into two regions, the top 5 ranked teams in Region 2 would all be ranked higher than the #1 ranked team in Region 1.  So let's say an at-large bid comes down to Region 1 #1 Babson and Region 2 #5 Roger Williams.  Would the bid go to the #1 ranked team, even though the #5 ranked team would be higher on an overall ranking system?

It's nice to see that Eastern isn't playing a cupcake southern schedule this season like last year.  When they win 30 games, they'll actually get into the NCAA's this season.  It makes a huge difference when you replace those 23 win teams on your schedule with 30 win teams.

Teams added to early part of schedule
RPI- 30 wins
Farmingdale St.- 29 wins
Farmingdale St.- 29 wins
Rowan- 32 wins
Endicott- 35 wins
Ramapo- 30 wins
William Patterson- 27 wins

Wow, WNE defense basically hands the game over to Southern Maine.  Multiple errors turns a 5-0 lead into a 6-5 loss pretty quickly.

Daniel Webster showing that they belong, with a 10-4 win over MIT.

The ECAC will provide streaming audio/video via EZStream (upon clearance by the NCAA). The live link can be found on www.ecacsports.com.  The link will also be found on d3baseball.com.

WNE goes down to Endicott in the CCC Championship.  Doesn't really change much as far as the NCAA's though. Here is my New England Regional as of right now.

1. Southern Maine
2. Wheaton
3. WNE
4.Endicott
5. St. Joseph's
6. Salem St.
7. Amherst
8. Daniel Webster

Eastern to NY. Possibly WNE to New York and Eastern would get the 4 seed with Endicott getting the 3.

Quote from: wordsmith on May 02, 2013, 08:18:32 PM
Answers await:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3baseball/2013/05/02/second-ncaa-regional-ranking-of-2013/

New England Region
1 Southern Maine 23-3 29-6
2 Wheaton (Mass.) 24-7 27-10
3 Western New England 26-8 27-9
4 Endicott 27-11 27-11
5 MIT 22-7 22-8
6 Amherst 20-7 20-8
7 St. Joseph's (Maine) 26-10 28-11
8 Eastern Connecticut 23-10-1 23-11-1
9 Bowdoin 22-11 22-11
10 Salem State 18-7 21-13

It seems that Eastern is in a pretty good spot as MIT lost to both Brandeis (15-21) and RIC (11-26) since the 2nd Regional Rankings were made. Losing to two teams with losing records will drop MIT way down, possibly even out of the top 10.  Beating Amherst twice also helps a lot. 

The rankings were posted on d3baseball.com on the 25th but if you look right below, it says games thru April 21.

kscer,
    you have to remember though, Eastern had lost 3 of 6 since the 1st regional came out.  If they were to have been swept by Amherst, they probably would have dropped out of the rankings completely.  Sweeping Amherst just saved their season, granted they still have more work to do.   

Wow Eastern just shot themselves right back into the at large conversation with a sweep of Amherst today.  Now depending on what Suffolk does over their final 4 games (Williams 2, S.Maine, and MIT) and what Eastern does in the Little East Tournament, Eastern is in a much better situation.

KSCFan,
    It all depends on what happens today.  If Eastern sweeps Amherst, that puts them right back into the conversation for being an at-large team.  If they get swept then that's pretty much it for Eastern. Suffolk is also in the same situation.  They play Williams twice, S. Maine and MIT.  They could play themselves right in or right out of the NCAA's. Assumming that S.Maine, Wheaton, and WNE win their conference tournaments, here is my list for at-large teams

1. Endicott
2. Suffolk
3. MIT
4. Eastern
5. Bowdoin/Amherst

A lot of things can change though, with many conference tournaments still to be played and the ECAC's.

Quote from: wildthngvaughn on April 30, 2013, 03:16:00 PM

Quote from: Boggsy789 on April 30, 2013, 01:23:40 PM

Quote from: wildthngvaughn on April 29, 2013, 04:02:40 PM
Does anyone else feel that this years ECAC is going to be loaded with potential 30-win teams that could still get into the NCAA's?

Suffolk (28-10 w/ 4 to play) Possible at-large bid. If they win out and win ECAC, they will be 35-10 or 34-10.

Endicott (27-11 w/ 1 to play and conf. tour.) (assuming WNE wins CCC, if WNE loses, WNE will probably not enter ECAC as they should already be a lock for the NCAA) Possible At-large bid. Best possible record with ECAC title but no conf. title would be 35-13 or 34-13

Salve Regina (26-10 w/ 1 to play and conf. tour.) Best possible record with a ECAC title but no conf. title would be 34-12 or 33-12

Johnson & Wales (27-14 w/ 0 to play) if they win 3 ECAC games, would be a 30 win team come NCAA time.

MIT (22-8 w/ 3 to play and 2nd half of conf. tour.) most likely not a 30 win team, but possible at-large bid for the NCAA if they win the ECAC's. (assuming Wheaton wins NEWMAC, if Wheaton loses, Wheaton will probably not enter ECAC as they should already be a lock for the NCAA) Best possible record with ECAC title and no conf. title would be 30-10 or 29-10

Bridgewater St. (19-13-1) Not NCAA bound unless they win their Conf. Tour. but have quality wins over Wheaton and WNE

Salem St. (21-13) Not NCAA bound unless they win their Conf. Tour. only quality win is against Endicott

Babson, Mitchell, Husson, or Roger Williams (assuming that none of these teams win their conf. tour.) NESCAC and Little East don't participate as they are in their Conference Tournament)

Some of these soft scheduled schools should be discounted, like Salve Regina, JWU and RWU.   JWU swept by the LEC (boston, dartmouth, ric)  Salve lost to Boston and Dartmouth and snuck one out vs. RIC.

Boggsy, any team that has 26+ wins no matter how easy their schedule, shouldn't be discounted when talking about the ECAC's.  Now if we are talking about the NCAA's that's a whole different thing.  The only way that Salve gets into the NCAA's is to win their tournament, or get to their tournament final with 3 wins against Endicott and WNE and then win the ECAC's with 3 wins against quality opponents (MIT, Suffolk, Endicott). That would give them a 35-12 record with 5 quality wins.  Granted that scenerio is next to impossible. 

Roger Williams on the other hand has absolutley no shot at the NCAA unless they win their tournament.  However, if they get to 25 wins, I could see them being one of a couple teams that could get the 7 or 8 seed in the ECAC's (if they have 8 teams and not 4).

You have to remember, nobody from the Little East or NESCAC participate in the ECAC's because they have their conference tournament at the same time.  So that eliminates a bunch of worthy participants.

34-12 is their best possible record for Salve without winning the conference tournament, not 35-12. But add a quality win over Eastern Connecticut @Eastern as I missed that one. Still next to impossible to do though.

Quote from: Boggsy789 on April 30, 2013, 01:23:40 PM

Quote from: wildthngvaughn on April 29, 2013, 04:02:40 PM
Does anyone else feel that this years ECAC is going to be loaded with potential 30-win teams that could still get into the NCAA's?

Suffolk (28-10 w/ 4 to play) Possible at-large bid. If they win out and win ECAC, they will be 35-10 or 34-10.

Endicott (27-11 w/ 1 to play and conf. tour.) (assuming WNE wins CCC, if WNE loses, WNE will probably not enter ECAC as they should already be a lock for the NCAA) Possible At-large bid. Best possible record with ECAC title but no conf. title would be 35-13 or 34-13

Salve Regina (26-10 w/ 1 to play and conf. tour.) Best possible record with a ECAC title but no conf. title would be 34-12 or 33-12

Johnson & Wales (27-14 w/ 0 to play) if they win 3 ECAC games, would be a 30 win team come NCAA time.

MIT (22-8 w/ 3 to play and 2nd half of conf. tour.) most likely not a 30 win team, but possible at-large bid for the NCAA if they win the ECAC's. (assuming Wheaton wins NEWMAC, if Wheaton loses, Wheaton will probably not enter ECAC as they should already be a lock for the NCAA) Best possible record with ECAC title and no conf. title would be 30-10 or 29-10

Bridgewater St. (19-13-1) Not NCAA bound unless they win their Conf. Tour. but have quality wins over Wheaton and WNE

Salem St. (21-13) Not NCAA bound unless they win their Conf. Tour. only quality win is against Endicott

Babson, Mitchell, Husson, or Roger Williams (assuming that none of these teams win their conf. tour.) NESCAC and Little East don't participate as they are in their Conference Tournament)

Some of these soft scheduled schools should be discounted, like Salve Regina, JWU and RWU.   JWU swept by the LEC (boston, dartmouth, ric)  Salve lost to Boston and Dartmouth and snuck one out vs. RIC.

Boggsy, any team that has 26+ wins no matter how easy their schedule, shouldn't be discounted when talking about the ECAC's.  Now if we are talking about the NCAA's that's a whole different thing.  The only way that Salve gets into the NCAA's is to win their tournament, or get to their tournament final with 3 wins against Endicott and WNE and then win the ECAC's with 3 wins against quality opponents (MIT, Suffolk, Endicott). That would give them a 35-12 record with 5 quality wins.  Granted that scenerio is next to impossible. 

Roger Williams on the other hand has absolutley no shot at the NCAA unless they win their tournament.  However, if they get to 25 wins, I could see them being one of a couple teams that could get the 7 or 8 seed in the ECAC's (if they have 8 teams and not 4).

You have to remember, nobody from the Little East or NESCAC participate in the ECAC's because they have their conference tournament at the same time.  So that eliminates a bunch of worthy participants.