Wondering if anyone happened to see the Yale-Cornell game today relative to the recent discussion on the Board about refs not letting things go especially in tournament play. They let both sides play especially down the stretch. They let a lot go but called the game fairly for both sides. Didn't note any complaints on the officiating and it's impact on a great game.

Quote from: unionpalooza on March 12, 2026, 05:14:17 PMIt made the NCAA D1 tournament five times in the middle 2010s, two Frozen Fours, and won a national championship without any scholarship players. There is no real comparison to NESCAC/D3 but these are pretty cool accomplishments

Well stated Unionpalooza, great accomplisments- couldn't agree more.
No slam on Union here, I was merely trying to establish that comparisons to NESCAC Hockey programs is comparing apples to oranges.

It seems like something could be done but you know better than I.

Quote from: Patrick Coleman on March 09, 2026, 01:52:36 PM

Quote from: lumbercat on March 09, 2026, 12:01:45 AMyes, couldn't agree more but these AD's so pre occupied with budgets hotels and busses for teams of 15 people they don't even think about flexing a game by 30 or 60 minutes......after all, why consider the concerns of the Fans, Alums and DONORS.

The ADs don't set times for NCAA Tournament games. The NCAA Tournament committee does.

I get that Pat but if the AD's endeavored to bring about change I believe the starting times could/should be staggered a bit.

yes, couldn't agree more but these AD's so pre occupied with budgets hotels and busses for teams of 15 people they don't even think about flexing a game by 30 or 60 minutes......after all, why consider the concerns of the Fans, Alums and DONORS.

Quote from: Bucket on March 07, 2026, 12:09:05 PM

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2026, 12:06:05 AM

Quote from: lumbercat on March 06, 2026, 10:15:05 PMSure you were sitting with them all day and you like them but let me know the next time you see a call quite like that. Good, marginal and rookie Refs let that go along with most everything else with less than 10 seconds left!!! It's gotta be blatant.
Watch the big tournament coming up and tell when you see a call anything like that in the last 30 seconds of a tied tournament game. 

Again, you can't let it go.  You have to call something.  A guy ended up out of bounds.  You can't no call that.  You're right.  The contact was not something any ref would call on it's own - I doubt even the guy who called it wanted to call it.  You have to say either, the tiny amount of contact led to the guy falling out of bounds or he fell out of bounds all on his own.  Either way one team is upset.

It's a tough call.  It's a frustrating way to end.  It's not a bad call.

You 100 percent can let it go. I've shared the video with two folks who are/have been veteran D1 officials. They both didn't hesitate: Half over.

Thanks Bucket- the Middebury contingent knows Basketball much better than I--appreciate you weighing in.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2026, 12:06:05 AM

Quote from: lumbercat on March 06, 2026, 10:15:05 PMSure you were sitting with them all day and you like them but let me know the next time you see a call quite like that. Good, marginal and rookie Refs let that go along with most everything else with less than 10 seconds left!!! It's gotta be blatant.
Watch the big tournament coming up and tell when you see a call anything like that in the last 30 seconds of a tied tournament game. 

Again, you can't let it go.

Again, yes you can let it go especially when the contact is very questionable. I'm watching D1 and D3 tourney games all day today and all that stuff is ignored- THEY LET IT GO at all levels.

Sure you were sitting with them all day and you like them but let me know the next time you see a call quite like that. Good, marginal and rookie Refs let that go along with most everything else with less than 10 seconds left!!! It's gotta be blatant.
Watch the big tournament coming up and tell when you see a call anything like that in the last 30 seconds of a tied tournament game. 

Quote from: D3BBALL on March 06, 2026, 09:03:32 PM

Quote from: nescac1 on March 06, 2026, 08:50:44 PMPretty brutal half court offense by Trinity for sure.  Missed Jarrel's creation. Fortunately for them Vetter has ice in his veins never shrinks from the moment.  Intense D and hustle from Ayles and Davis turned it around.  Rest of the squad had a rough game for sure. 

Lovelace on keuka can really ball. 

Agree hundred percent what you said, but Cosgrove's gotta learn not to panicK. Trinity huge height advantage didn't even try once all day long to get it down low.

If Cosgrove panics like he did last year when they won the whole damn thing I think they will be ok.

Quote from: SpringSt7 on March 06, 2026, 07:02:31 PMBates is on the bus ride home but former Bates AC Quinn Newton is about to pick up a HUGE win in the same gym with his Maine Farmington team against Montclair St. D3Datacast had them losing by 14.

The whole Bates Basketball program was rooting for Quinn Newtons's Farmington team despite the Bobcat heartbreaker  today. It says a lot about the draw of the pairings which is the way tournament play goes. Bates drew the best 3 point shooter in the damn country and he was unconscious. I tip my hat to him. 22 feet fall aways with a 6'7" in your face.....how do you beat that.

Furbush bleeds Garnet but he does some unconventional things in terms of who sits and who plays in certain situations. Wish he would have involved Pouye more in the offense earlier in the game and if you lose with that approach so be it.  When he had the Delpeche twins during the last tourney appearance he seemed befuddled as to how to get more out of his top players. Can't use premier players as decoys.

I try to refrain from complaining about officiating relative to the outcome of any game in any sport but that was a tough one today.....can't ever remember a ref blowing a whistle on a very marginal call like that at the expiration of regulation time. The only way a call like that is made in that scenario is if the kid was on a fast break and got hit from behind or somebody got totally mugged.

Good luck to the other NESCAC teams.

Of course the NESCAC hasn't produced Hobey Baker candidates or NHL all stars- it's a D3 league recruiting D3 kids. Kudos to the Charging Dutchmen on their hockey successes at the D1 level but you're comparing a D1 hockey program with scholarships (and probably nil money at some point) to a D3 conference- apples and oranges.
If that's a valid comparison lets compare D3 Union Football or NESCAC Football with D1 Syracuse in terms of NFL players etc - it's a different ballgame.

Quote from: Jake Feldman on March 05, 2026, 03:02:37 PM12 NHL players for the Garnet Chargers/Dutchmen, while only 1 that I know of from a NESCAC program (Guy Hebert who went to Hamilton College)

I the early-mid 70's Union hired Ned Harkness who was the former coach of the Detroit Red Wings to take their Hockey program to D1 heights with the construction of a beautiful new Hockey rink. NESCAC membership guidelines prohibited any deviation from NESCAC recruiting guidelines and competition in most D1 sports (which the exception of a few minor sports like skiing which has no D3).
The NESCAC and Union parted ways at that point.

As a prior poster pointed out it was a positive move for Union football which I think is correct. Other NESCAC purists might point to a decline in Unions academic ranking upon their severance from the NESCAC.
It was very controversial at the time.

Union has been competing in D1 Hockey with a significant financial commitment since around 1975 or 1976.
That's 50 years, give or take. I'd say 12 NHL players in that timeframe is nothing to brag about.

Fred Ahern of Bowdoin and South Boston, Ma had an NHL career of about 5 years in the late 70's. One of the many great Hockey guys who were the pride and joy of Southie back in the day.

I had not heard about the rumored exchange between Rutigliano and the player who has entered the portal. However, from some close to the program I've heard since early in his tenure on Mayflower Hill that Rutigliano is a tough no nonsense guy which I respect, but not sure if he might have ruffled some feathers among players recruited by the prior regime. He's a proven winner and I'm sure he will stick to his guns as he builds HIS program... as he should.

Critical for Bates will be the status of Brady Coyne, their best shooter and team leader. Suffered what looked to be a significant ankle injury very late in the game on Saturday.