Coach Richter sure put a fantastic squad together this season.  Gives up 15 runs today to UWRF squad in year 1 and lose game 2.  They might not have good enough pitching to make the conference tourney.  Hitting against pitching with a pulse has been non-existent as well.

Richter's recruiting has been sub par based on the rest of the WIAC so I don't see it getting turned around anytime soon.

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Quote from: tomt4525 on December 19, 2024, 10:08:14 AMIt looks as though UWSP may have gained an impact transfer for the future, hopefully at least.  Zach Olson, a 2023 grad from Muskego, committed to D1 Hawaii has transferred to Stevens Point.  I'm hopeful this lessons the blow of losing Mason Weckler and can help add to the depth of their pitching.

Looking at the 2025 UWSP Baseball roster, there is no sign of a Zach Olson....

Could be an injury situation, not sure.  His social media still lists himself as part of UWSP Baseball.

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2025, 10:24:20 AM

Quote from: tomt4525 on February 28, 2025, 09:57:04 AMYes, your 3 posts have contributed an insane amount of knowledge to the readers on this board, absolutely no bias included either.

Like all the whining has contributed so much and we all know so much more now.  Too freakin' funny.

Good to know BW, 99 percent of my posts have been WIAC recruiting related...mostly commitment posts.  I don't need to share what I see on here then.  You guys enjoy your unbiased knowledge sharing.

Quote from: Kirbmania on February 28, 2025, 09:42:42 AMYes, your bias comes out very clear in this post, to the point where I now will use "overly" biased to describe your posts.  I hope you do lose interest in this board and stop posting because your overly biased posts mean nothing to the majority of the readers.

Yes, your 3 posts have contributed an insane amount of knowledge to the readers on this board, absolutely no bias included either.

Quote from: Kirbmania on February 27, 2025, 05:43:48 PMI normally don't like to post this way, but based on these whiny Point fans posting comments about physical play last night I feel I have to make a rebuttal.  I can't believe you watched that game last night and felt Platteville was the only team playing physical.  You bring up the inadvertent elbow by Hettinger, which I'll point out an unbiased observer posted on here that he felt it was inadvertent.  You did not mention the many times Hettinger was pushed/tackled to the ground by Point players, when he was bloodied in the mouth by Point players that caused the game to be stopped and a time he was clearly grabbed in the jersey while making a move in the lane.  Were you not watching when those plays happened??  Those plays are OK when done by Point players?? Hettinger is unquestionably a physical player that at times can go beyond acceptable but his taking it beyond "normal" physical play is sometimes reactionary to how opponents play him.  I can't believe the Point fans say last night they were whistled for just "touch" fouls.  Must be nice to watch a game through those rose colored glasses. I would also point out that in the first half a hard foul was committed by a Point player under the basket which was correctly called a foul.  The Point head coach enthusiastically applauded the play and high fived his player who committed the foul...unbelievable condoning of inappropriate play.  And this is not the first time I've witnessed him do this same thing.  Point is easily just as physical if not more physical than any team in the WIAC.....and they were last night too.

I'll be the first to admit there is some bias for fans watching their favorite teams.  With that said, you wouldn't have responded to the series of these messages the way that you did without having a bias towards Platteville.  So, it goes both ways.

Secondly, it's pointless to respond to this because you won't be changing my mind on how that game went and I won't be changing your mind.

I'm just going to focus on Hettinger.  I've already said it, he's a cheap player.  You actually acknowledge that yourself when you say he "sometimes takes it beyond normal physical play."  I only remember 2 different times where Hettinger fell to the floor, if there is more than I would have to go back and look at it.  A guard for Point undercut him trying to box him out for a rebound,  definitely a foul and it was called as such.  Undercuts like that happen almost every single game.  It is a far cry from a cheap play.  It happened because it was a smaller defender who was late to trying to get in and box out Hettinger.  Again, not a cheap play.  The second instance I can remember was also on a rebound.  Krohn was boxing him out, I believe Tarjan was also there and all 3 tripped over each other and fell down.  I think Krohn and Hettinger had hands on each other, not sure who was initially at fault there.  When Hettinger came down, he made sure to grab Tarjan with him.  That part, is yes, cheap.  The elbow in question, was also not the only elbow Hettinger threw that game.  I'd have to go back and watch when exactly though.  In the first half, Hettinger had the ball and was trying to back down Krohn.  As he was dribbling, with his off hand he delivered an elbow to the stomach to Krohn.  I watched all 3 games this year between Point and Platteville and the common denominator in all the "overly physical plays" is Hettinger, but it must be Point who is causing them, right?

I don't know what foul you're talking about that Dernbach was praising on the sideline.  That also means nothing.  I'm sure he does celebrate some physical plays, every coach wants their players to be physical.  The "overly physical" that continue to follow Hettinger is what gets my reaction.

I stand by how I thought the refs called the game differently based on who was playing defense.  Olson used his hands over and over on Butler when Butler would put the ball on the deck.  Those same hands on a drive resulted in multiple fouls being called on Point.  You go ahead and think differently.

I know a few people have shared that they hope the WIAC shows out well in the National Tourney, I don't share that sentiment.  I hope Platteville and La Crosse lose first round.  Hettinger is the reason I'm hoping that for Platteville.  How Coach Gritzmacher acted after the La Crosse/Point game in Point this year is the reason I hope La Crosse loses.

I won't continue to respond to your opinion on this matter, like I said, we aren't changing each other's opinions.  This board has gone down the tube for awhile now and I'm getting to the point where it's a waste of any time spent on it.

Quote from: WIACer on February 27, 2025, 01:52:14 PMI looked back, but had a hard time finding. Lot's of stoppage and fouls called. After watching UWP a number of times, I can say, yes they play physical and somewhat questionable. They do throw elbows and trip (stick their leg out) on purpose. Many do.  Maybe it's a team thing, toughness thing? They are good. When I watch them play, they know the refs are only going to call so many fouls and they are deep. I had to laugh at Pearson on his 5th. Clearly a charge. Maybe it was the other 4. We all know. When you play at UWP. You start the game down 10-0. lol

If you're saying it was hard to find the elbow in question...I mentioned in my first post that it happened with 1 minute and 5 seconds left in the first half.  I'd suggest you keep watching for the next minute or 2 though cuz you get a good look at it from replays during the stoppage.

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Quote from: tomt4525 on February 27, 2025, 09:27:17 AMI'm not sure if I'll get any but I'm going to try and get some clarity on that blatant elbow from Hettinger on Miron last night.

I'm under the assumption that contact above the shoulders is a point of emphasis, correct?  How can the refs go to the monitor and see it and do nothing about it?  I'm also assuming that at the very least, they have the same video that was replayed to the viewers during the review.  If that's also the case, it's an obvious call.

It happened with a minute and 5 seconds left in the first half if anyone is wanting to go back and watch, I would love some other opinions.  I included a link to the game.  They give a good replay a handful of times during the official review so watch into those.  Thanks

https://www.wiacnetwork.com/?B=2218798

I don't think there's any intention there.  He's trying to clear the guy out and hits his face.  There used to be an unintentional contact to the head call, but I can't find that in the rule book, so maybe it's not available anymore.

This seems to hinge on whether or not they deemed him "swinging the elbow."  I think I'd agree with them, it's a forearm shove and not a swinging elbow.  Since they called the foul on Miron first, I guess they didn't think they could assess a double foul?  I feel like that would be the preferred call.

You can always contact Jim Haney, NCAA d3 mbb coordinator of officials, he's usually happy to respond to inquiries like this.

If intention is part of the call, then I guess that leaves it up to the officials discretion.  I thought that there didn't need to be intention though, I thought it was any contact above the shoulders could warrant a foul call.  I could very well be wrong on that regard.

Every game I've watched Hettinger play this year, he's involved in stuff like this.  This wasn't even the only incident involving him this game.  I have zero respect for how he plays.

I'm not sure if I'll get any but I'm going to try and get some clarity on that blatant elbow from Hettinger on Miron last night.

I'm under the assumption that contact above the shoulders is a point of emphasis, correct?  How can the refs go to the monitor and see it and do nothing about it?  I'm also assuming that at the very least, they have the same video that was replayed to the viewers during the review.  If that's also the case, it's an obvious call.

It happened with a minute and 5 seconds left in the first half if anyone is wanting to go back and watch, I would love some other opinions.  I included a link to the game.  They give a good replay a handful of times during the official review so watch into those.  Thanks

https://www.wiacnetwork.com/?B=2218798

At this point, I guess it's what I should expect.  I think all season, officiating has been consistently inconsistent rather than what they are paid to do.  Platteville was allowed to guard with their hands and be physical all night.  If Point got physical, whistle.  With that said, they didn't back down from the WIAC champion.

This also needs to be said, feel awful for Malik as he wasn't able to finish his career on the court.  It was a lot of fun watching Malik in a Pointer uniform, get well soon.

Hettinger is the cheapest player in the conference and I haven't seen a close second.

He flat out just elbowed Miron square in the face, what makes it worse...refs go to the monitor and do nothing about it.  These refs are brutal and that seems like it's been the case way too often this season.

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 24, 2025, 10:15:38 PM

Quote from: tomt4525 on February 24, 2025, 09:33:38 PMIf WW completes this comeback, it will be the worst collapse by a team I've ever seen I think.

Quite frankly, if this is how Point's season ends, I have a feeling the roster will look a lot different as you'd expect next season.

Well, they barely won. But in what way would the roster change significantly? Krohn and Butler are still a couple of their best players. Obviously Abdul-Wahid and Bolden are gone. And you said you really like Miron. They really are still kind of a young team as a group with 2 senior transfers and 3 sophomores starting and a 2nd year coach.

Teams collapse like that, and quite frankly, most of the conference season like Point has, it's natural for emotions to run high and people to come to tough decisions.  Players transfer or quit basketball all together after collapses like that.  If you listened to the post game interview with Coach Dernbach after the La Crosse loss, Coach alluded to it being disappointing with the team not coming together after all the extracurriculars of the game happening.  He mentioned the opposite happening.

I really like the core of this UWSP squad and hope they stick together, but they are still missing at the very least some depth pieces. 

If WW completes this comeback, it will be the worst collapse by a team I've ever seen I think.

Quite frankly, if this is how Point's season ends, I have a feeling the roster will look a lot different as you'd expect next season.

Quote from: Mitch Hall on February 23, 2025, 11:37:37 AMDoes anyone know what caused the technical fouls to be called in La Crosse ? Were they discussed on the radio broadcast ?

Pretty simple from what I can gather...the officials lost control of the game.

I was able to listen to part of the broadcast from the video, that would be the La Crosse radio as well as went back and listened to UWSP's version of the radio broadcast.  They both didn't know exactly what was going on with any of the official's calls.

I listened to the whole UWSP radio broadcast during the scenario in question so I will give that side.  They didn't see any reason for calling La Crosse's coach for the first technical.  That seemed to start the downfall of course.  Seconds after that technical, Dernbach got called for a technical.  UWSP's radio guy said he was feet away from Dernbach when this happened and Dernbach didn't say a word.  The radio guy made multiple comments about thinking it was a makeup call on the first technical.  It was the same ref who called both.

I haven't gone back and looked at the physical play that caused the flagrant 1 on Krohn as well as another technical on Thomas.  It was hard to see when the play actually happened.  It did look like Krohn came in late but I didn't see if he got pushed into the contact or if he came in voluntarily.  I did see Thomas react after getting fouled and was very animated.  La Crosse/Stevens Point is turning into a heated rivalry.

I don't like saying this but with how out of control the game got and with the refs handling it terribly, I hope we don't see them in the WIAC again.

I'm not sure how many people listened to the pregame radio show(I think) of the game after La Crosse/Point's first game.  I listened to it.  If you remember back Gritzmacher was animated after the game and talking directly to Dernbach and the bench before shaking hands.  I'm sure I didn't like this mostly being a Point fan but he should have some more respect for a coach that basically recruited his roster.  Without Dernbach's players he recruited to La Crosse, Gritzmacher wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the WIAC. In that pregame radio show Dernbach alluded to Gritzmacher's comments being centered around owning UWSP and winning a bunch of games in a row.  Which is laughable as new as Gritzmacher is to UWL, many of those wins were Dernbach's coaching against UWSP.  Anyways, I'm really going to enjoy the next Point victory over La Crosse because of that interaction.  I know Gritzmacher reads this board as I see his username on here, not that it matters.

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Quote from: '95 Blugold on February 15, 2025, 11:22:35 PM

Quote from: tomt4525 on February 15, 2025, 10:02:28 PMRefs certainly didn't help things for the Pointers tonight, that's for sure.  With that said, I've never seen worse point guard play for a UWSP team than I saw tonight.  Passing was terrible, capped off by one of the worst passes I've ever seen by Butler to give Renta a fast break layup with under a minute to go in a tie game.

The Point coaching staff better start looking at the transfer market because at the bare minimum, they need a transfer PG to come in and start.  If Manz/Grganto aren't serviceable backup bigs next season, they will need a transfer big that can take some minutes from Krohn unlike Hoffman this season.

From what the announcers were saying after that late turnover is Point does not have a true point guard running the offense.

I'd agree with that when Butler is running the point, he's more of a scorer.  But, Bolden and Combs played a lot of minutes last night.  They are 6 feet tall and don't shoot it well, what other position would be their true position?  They just continued to make terrible decisions with the ball and that was the biggest reason for the loss last night.