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Quote from: olddog on September 25, 2017, 02:26:23 PM
Did anyone really think Oxy admin would do anything to the AD, come on folks...this is the same group that let the kids on grants at this 66k school,  protest in their offices with wifi so they could order food and coffee.

The only way any change will happen in terms of athletics if the alumni donations are impacted. O/W the liberal inmates will run the asylum. Money talks...the end.

I just check vegas line and Whittier is now the favorite in the "Shoe Bowl"

Well, a lot of students get admitted need blind at good schools, and with their endowment they can afford it.

In FY16 they raised $25 million, and they weren't in a capital campaign. Of that, most of it was corporations and foundations, but there was a good chunk ($6 million) from alumni and they had over 8,000 gifts. Their endowment per student is impressive.

I would gather that many of the donors may not care enough about football to withhold donations - especially the corporations and foundations. I don't know that for 100% sure, but in my experience at small schools athletics isn't really a priority among many donors. They enthuse the alumni, yes, and bring people together - but they give for more reasons than athletics. Skillful development programs can turn those conversations toward helping the current and future students.

I suggest you research what happen at CMS when they were going to drop football, better yet take a skillful look at Redlands recent largest donor and his linkage to football.

Actually, CMS did give up football. The minute they let Coach Retz go and hired Kyle Sweeney. 

Just saw in the CMS weekly note to parents that the Stags are 0-15. Pitiful. I didn't know that Kyle Sweeney was coaching baseball now, too. [rimshot]

In honor of tomorrow's Battle for the Peace Pipe, this just in from Claremont McKenna A.D. Mike Sutton.

Wish this were a joke, but it's not.  Only in Claremont, folks.

On the bright side, members of the Board are invited to make suggestions for the replacement trophy's designation. I myself, in an effort to preserve, at least obliquely, the indigenous nature of the totem, propose scalping both Kyle Sweeney and Roger Caron, and mounting both scalps on a plaque--after which the game will be known as "The Battle for the Big Ass-Hat." 

Anyways, the winged words from CMC's AD:

"Dear Athletes, Alumni, Friends, and Colleagues:

Yesterday afternoon the football coaches for the Pomona-Pitzer (PP) and Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (CMS) football teams informed the players that no trophy would be exchanged following this weekend's game between the two teams.

CMS Athletics and PP Athletics have decided to retire and replace the Peace Pipe trophy, which is exchanged each year by the players of the two programs following their annual football game.

The decision is a result of ongoing discussions with members of the Claremont Colleges' Indigenous Student Alliance (ISA), who expressed their cultural concerns about using a sacred object as a trophy.

Both athletic departments have agreed to retire the Peace Pipe trophy and to replace it with a new tradition in time for next year's game.

The 'Peace Pipe,' also known as the Sacred Pipe, the calumet, or the chanupa (or canupa), is a sacred object for many indigenous groups in the United States and is intended for use in religious rituals.

Going forward, a committee consisting of members of the two athletic departments will convene to explore options for future trophy exchanges between the teams that continue the spirit of the Peace Pipe trophy, which was created in 1959 to symbolize the friendly nature of the competition between the two campuses.

We appreciate the concerns that have been raised and we think this is the best path forward.

Thanks,

Michael Sutton
Director of Athletics & Physical Education
William B. Arce Professor & George R. Roberts Fellow
Claremont McKenna - Harvey Mudd - Scripps Colleges
Ducey Gym 500 E. 9th Street
Claremont, CA 91711"

Quote from: Gray Fox on October 27, 2013, 06:13:19 PM
There have been many discussions baout SCIAC recruiting problems, mostly on the basketball boards.

The bottom line is that D3 type schools are just not known to parents and coaches in California, where they are part of the culture in states to the east of us.
CLU seems to recruit the best because their coach was at a football factory high school and has good contacts.

Interesting theory. 

I submit to you, though, that the SCIAC's problem is as much its deplorable coaching as it is recruiting.  At least 3 of the coaches in the conference are entirely laughable: Roger "Coach for Life" Caron at Pomona; Todd Stratton at Whittier (hard to believe that he wears the same crown once worn by the likes of Chief Newman, George Allen, and Don Coryell); and Kyle "How many ways can I find to let Oxy beat me" Sweeney at CMC.  Owens at Chapman is better, but still awfully marginal (.444 in 14 seasonsis hardly a hall of fame career), and Krich at LaVerne is just another guy on the carousel (though he's managed to launder out some of the stench that set in after 4 years under Andrew Ankeny). McEnroe is decent, although nobody's going to mistake him for John Gagliardi anytime soon (and that team presumably could coach itself to 4 wins/year).

On the upside: Semones is a big upgrade from Redell.  Not clear yet if he's going to make the Tiger faithful forget about Widolff, but he may, pound-for-pound, soon be the best in the SCIAC.

Quote from: OxyBob on October 15, 2013, 06:04:58 PM

Quote from: Hemingway13 on October 12, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
Quite an interesting contest at Claremont.  CMS jumped to a 22 – 7 halftime lead before Oxy reeled off 31 straight points.

With only three seniors in their entire starting lineup, the Stags might well move into the top half of the conference next year.

Nice to see Oxy get a win against Claremont. The Stags are about Oxy's speed.

Hemingway, thanks for the laugh. Claremont's football program is an even bigger disaster than Oxy's, though at least Rick Candaele retired honorably after a decent 16-year career, and wasn't forced out by a vindictive AD over some trivial, two-bit infractions.

OxyBob

No. Instead, at CMS, a trivial and vindictive AD forced out an actual football coach (Steve Retzlaff, who led the Stags to a 7-2 record in 2010, the year after Candaele retired) and hired . . . well, a two-bit Oxy grad.

Strangely symmetric--but still depressing.

Quote from: Hemingway13 on October 12, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
With only three seniors in their entire starting lineup, the Stags might well move into the top half of the conference next year.

Oh, please.  This is the second consecutive year that the Stags have suited up fewer than 50 bodies, of which perhaps 35 are competent players.  And they've continued to lose upperclass starters as the season has progressed.

As long as Kyle Sweeney is at the reins, Oxy books at least 2 wins a year, and CMS's only real chance is against the Sage-chicks.  I hope that, somewhere, Coach Retz is getting the last laugh.

STAGS WIN!!!!!!!!!!

So, Lance Easley officiates Oxy games and Oxy enjoys a nice run of decent seasons.  Lance Easley goes off to NFL Fantasy Camp and Oxy winless by a combined 83-12.  Coincidence?  Maybe:  www.tmz.com/2012/09/27/lance-easley-nfl-replacement-ref/.

Of course I'm kidding.  Hope the poor guy never has to do another SCIAC game, though.

Quote from: wildcat11 on September 17, 2012, 03:55:02 PM
Yeah, Linfield did lose that game to Wesley and it stung.  I'm sure being a fan of CMS that you became numb to that losing sensation years ago.

Clever.  I bet you'd enjoy a piece that Michael Weinreb published on Grantland the other day: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8391106/lane-kiffin-usc-was-supposed-challenge-national-title-season-ran-stanford-again. Focus on this statement:  "these highbrow institutions [he's talking about Northwestern and Vandy, but feel free to substitute 'Pomona' and 'Claremont McKenna') are thrown into the mix to balance the equation, to lend some credibility to the otherwise irredeemable exercise in hypocrisy we like to call college football."

"1)  509Rat is a Whitworth fan (again).  2)  What the heck is the point of that video you linked?"

1) A fact in search of a purpose, but you get an A for accuracy.
2) Did you watch it? I understand that comparison often requires an act of imagination that probably leaves your gears grinding, but (listen closely now) the tackle was exactly the same tackle that the Oxy players executed. The point--and since generalization is a higher-order process, I'll help you out--is that the difference between hitting and tackling is part of the football vernacular in 2012, and making a joke of Oxy's defense because they display it is bush.

Quote from: (509)Rat on September 19, 2012, 10:11:25 AM
Ok, oxy's troubles make sense now...

Menlo runs over entire Oxy defense

Are you guys serious?  I'm the last one to come to Oxy's defense, but you're out of line to be mocking those players like that.  He didn't "run over" anyone until well downfield, and indeed got his lunch handed to him pretty roundly 4 yards off the line.  It was sheer chance that he happened to fall on his a** right on top of an Oxy DB--though admittedly a heady play to get up and keep going.

As for the tackling, sure the Oxy DBs didn't wrap up.  And you don't see that on every football field in the land, every single Friday and Saturday--and Sunday?  Even, perish the thought, in Thousand Oaks. (Though I'm sure it never happens in the rarefied air of McMinnville.)  Need proof?  Check out this clip at 1:24--and these guys are in a different universe, talentwise, coaching-wise, and every other wise: http://youtu.be/xhHufV9g4k4.

The margin of defeat for the Stags on Saturday at Rhodes:  36 inches.

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Quote from: (509)Rat on September 16, 2012, 12:06:49 AM
So the guy had a typo. You still lost right?

Right. My mistake.  I still feel badly about Linfield's 49-14 loss to Wesley in last year's playoffs, by the way. (Or was it 49-34?  Oh hell--either way, you still lost, right?)

Quote from: OxyBob on September 15, 2012, 09:10:18 PM

Claremont lost at Rhodes, 21-7.

OxyBob

Not quite. Stags dominated the first quarter, twice driving the length of the field on time of possession 12 mins plus to lead 14-0. Rhodes bounced back in the 2d to tie at half. CMS kicked a FG at 14:51 of the 4th, but Rhodes posted a TD late. CMS drove from its 35 at 3:35 to 1st and goal at Rhodes 7 with :36 to go.  Threw incomplete twice before a blitzing Rhodes backer levelled Peter Kimmey with the scariest hit I've ever seen in person at any level.

After a long delay during which Kimmey was removed on a backboard, Soph Sean McKaveney came on for 4th + goal with :07 remaining and threw a strike to the goal line that a Lynx DB dislodged as time expired. Final from Memphis, 21-17, as the Stags come up short on the final drive for the second consecutive week.

". . . the Cal Lu, Oxy, Whittier, Redlands board"? I see.

Making no predictions for Hamilton, Tufts, Middlebury,Wes, or the Maine contingent, but anybody who thinks Amherst, Williams + Trinity couldn't play successully in most any D3 conference in the country needs to get out of the barn a little more often. Trinity, in particular, has been a formidable team. Maybe not at the level of the purple juggernauts, but certainly with Bethel, Linfield, CLC, North Central.

If there's a knock on those three, it's that they only play 2 really competitive games a year. How is that different than any of the other top teams?

Members of the Cal Lu, Whittier, Oxy, and Redlands board are, I'm sure, uninterested, but comments from members of the Chapman, LaVerne, CMS, and PP board are welcome.