Any thoughts on why someone other than IWU would host, and what the justification might be? I know there's been a lot of posts about the various criteria that are considered, but I'm just wondering if anyone has any alternate theories about lines of reasoning that could lead to a different site. Hard to imagine it not being at the Shirk, but just curious!

Wheaton destroys PSU-Behrend 68-40, but Wooster gets knocked off by Dickinson 67-64... so if Dickinson has to fly no matter what, I guess Wash U would be likely to host if they can beat Calvin?

Wheaton manages to hold on for 64-57 win, in spite of atrocious 6-20 from the free throw line (Peters contributed 2-11 to that) and subpar 2-9 from beyond the arc. They'll need to do a little better than that if they face Hope tomorrow, but a win is a win!

IWU's pod has #5 St. Norbert? At least the Titans get to host, I guess, but wow, they're getting thrown right into the heat of the battle. Sucks for St. Norbert that they don't get to host too.

Many people have mentioned that the IWU-Wheaton matchup was largely determined by the differences in depth, and I couldn't agree more. In particular, I thought it noteworthy that Wheaton's final comeback attempt stalled around the 6:30 mark, exactly when Peter Smith and Michael Berg both fouled out within ten seconds of each other for the Thunder. Wheaton had begun to gain ground on the Titans (cutting the lead to 3), but from that point they couldn't get any closer and IWU eventually pulled away. Titan Q's post about a tightly-called game being a benefit for IWU definitely turned out to be prophetic. Especially with Victor Davis shooting lights out from the charity stripe!

However, tight officiating is far from the primary reason the Thunder lost. IWU outplayed Wheaton in just about every facet of the game, and their shooting was nothing short of unbelievable at times. I only say all this because it struck me that Coach Rose certainly proved exactly why having a deep rotation is so key, especially late in the year. I hope Wheaton will have a roster like that in the future!

As a spectator, I do also have to say that the 57 (!) foul calls did put a damper on an otherwise phenomenal D3 hoops evening, with high quality play from both sides in an exciting environment. I didn't notice either team getting the brunt of more bad calls than the other, but as they say, fans come to watch the players perform, not the referees.

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Obviously, things are leading toward a Wheaton-IWU finale at King Arena in a couple of weeks for the right to host the tournament. Clearly, things can change with any number of unexpected losses, but it got me reading up on some of the tiebreaker rules, and I wondered if someone could confirm or correct this possible scenario:

Wheaton beats NPU, loses @NCC, beats IWU
IWU beats @NCC, beats Carthage, beats NPU, loses @Wheaton

From what I read, Wheaton would still take the tiebreaker by virtue of sweeping Augie vs. IWU's split with the Vikings. The only tiebreaker info I could find was from 2010 (http://www.cciw.org/sports/2010/6/29/Gen._0629100226.aspx?id=616), and it indicates that when the head-to-head is split, tiebreakers are determined by "Record vs. team or teams in 3rd place. If still tied, go to the next place for determination, et cetera."

So, that's what I came up with... unless Augie were to somehow fall behind NCC in the standings, which seems unlikely, to say the least. What do you think, is this accurate?

I believe Carthage is still in 3rd place in the conference at this point in time.  If IWU beats Carthage at home, then both teams would have split with Carthage.  Augie would have to win out and hope for a Carthage loss (the aforementioned IWU game) to tie for third.  In that instance, Carthage is 3rd in the league since they would have split with both teams above them in the standings.  I don't think NCC can sneak into 3rd in the conference at all and probably won't factor into the decision.

I think 3rd is an impossibility for NCC. 4th is what the Cardinals have to shoot for, and all they need for that to happen would be for them to run the table against !WU, Wheaton, and Elmhurst, and have Augie falter somewhere along the line. No sweat. 

I agree with everything that has been said about Carthage vs. Augie for 3rd place, and the impossibility of NCC getting 3rd place (although I'm not even sure where that came from!). To clarify though, what I was getting at is that even if Carthage finishes in 3rd, at best IWU and Wheaton both split with Carthage and the tiebreaker would then look at the 4th place team. Likely this would be Augie, in which case the hosting tiebreaker goes to Wheaton. If it was Elmhurst, again IWU and Wheaton have the same record against them and the tiebreaker would look at the next place team. The only way that IWU would have the tiebreaker advantage over Wheaton (if Wesleyan loses at King, of course) would be NCC ending above Augie — even if that's something crazy like 5th & 6th place. And like AndOne mentioned, that would take quite a bit of luck for Augie to tank like that.

I guess the odd point that I was making here is that (providing they win at NPU on Wednesday) Wheaton's game @NCC doesn't matter much in terms of the CCIW race. Win-or-lose that one, they'll likely be in the same position going into the finale. Of course, every win and loss counts when NCAA tournament selection time rolls around!

Obviously, things are leading toward a Wheaton-IWU finale at King Arena in a couple of weeks for the right to host the tournament. Clearly, things can change with any number of unexpected losses, but it got me reading up on some of the tiebreaker rules, and I wondered if someone could confirm or correct this possible scenario:

Wheaton beats NPU, loses @NCC, beats IWU
IWU beats @NCC, beats Carthage, beats NPU, loses @Wheaton

From what I read, Wheaton would still take the tiebreaker by virtue of sweeping Augie vs. IWU's split with the Vikings. The only tiebreaker info I could find was from 2010 (http://www.cciw.org/sports/2010/6/29/Gen._0629100226.aspx?id=616), and it indicates that when the head-to-head is split, tiebreakers are determined by "Record vs. team or teams in 3rd place. If still tied, go to the next place for determination, et cetera."

So, that's what I came up with... unless Augie were to somehow fall behind NCC in the standings, which seems unlikely, to say the least. What do you think, is this accurate?

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Loras lost at home to Rockford a few days ago.

The fact Loras lost to Rockford at home makes their win over the Wheaties even that much more remarkable.

For the record, Loras' first game was a road loss to Rockford, not at home. Doesn't change the fact that last night's win was pretty unexpected, to say the least!

http://www.duhawks.com/schedule/0/1.php

https://twitter.com/Wheaton_Thunder/statuses/306163936061952000

"Advance tickets for Saturday's NCAA MBB Tourney game will be available at the SRC front desk beginning at 3 PM on 2/27 and ends at noon 3/2"

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Hope crushing Faith in Naperville.

I always wondered which was greater between Hope and Faith, and now I know. I can only imagine what kind of massacre we'd have on our hands if Love faced off against Faith.

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How many games in a row has Wheaton lost at North Central?

I think it's seven in a row now. I wonder if it's an airplane hangar thing or a facing-the-Cardinals-in-the-airplane-hangar thing? I know that the Wesleyan fans are certainly hoping it's the former.

Wesleyan fans? Are they getting that far ahead of themselves already?

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Quote from: augiefan on February 20, 2011, 06:29:33 PMI don't think Augie can afford to lose 3 straight and 4 out of their last 6 and expect to be assured of an NCAA bid.

Your reputation as the Lou Holtz of CCIW Chat continues unabated, augiefan. Nevertheless, I can assure you that Augustana is in like Flynn, no matter what happens. To wit, from our resident Pool C numbers-cruncher KnightSlappy:

Greg, does that mean you can't understand a word augiefan is saying?   

Quote from: bopol on February 21, 2011, 12:46:38 AM
If IWU wins, the order is:

1. North Central (by virtue of best record in last 7 conference games, but see below)
2. Augustana
3. IWU (by virtue of 1-1 split with North Central vs. Wheaton's 0-2)
4. Wheaton

If Augustana wins, the order is:
1. Augustana
2. North Central
3. Wheaton (by virtue of beating Carthage twice)
4. Carthage

Now, the CCIW.org lists the tiebreaking criteria (http://www.cciw.org/sports/2010/6/29/Gen._0629100226.aspx?id=616)

"Men's & Women's Basketball
Seeding will be determined by regular season finish. Ties are broken by the following:

1. Head-to-head competition.
2. Record against team(s) above the tie beginning with the highest ranked team.
3. Record vs. team or teams in 3 rd place. If still tied, go to the next place for determination, et cetera.
4. Road record against conference schools.
5. Record in their seven conference games.
6. The point spread of the tied teams' head-to head competition.
7. Coin toss"

And I am assuming that the 5th criteria means their last seven conference games, but it doesn't say so.

So, if true, NC is playing Wheaton no matter what.

bopol, while I certainly thought the exact same thing just a couple of hours ago, I believe the issue is that if IWU wins, the CCIW technically has a three-way tiebreaker on their hands, and not just a two-way tie to be split between IWU and Wheaton. 

Based on thunder38illini's information, it appears that the CCIW is planning to break the three-way tie first by awarding the #3 seed to the team with the best head-to-head record among the three, which we would be Wheaton's 3-1 over IWU's 2-2 and Carthage's 1-3.  After that, of course, IWU would take the tiebreaker over Carthage by virtue of IWU's 1-1 record vs. the third-place Thunder, in comparison to Carthage's 0-2.

Remember, even though Carthage can't qualify for the tournament if Wesleyan wins, they're still technically part of the tiebreaking process.

Quote from: thunder38illini on February 20, 2011, 11:45:52 PM
Just wanted to clarify the tie-breaker situation.  This is obviously messy as there's a possibility of three teams finishing 9-5 in conference.  At this point it appears as if Wheaton is locked into the three-seed regardless of the outcome in Bloomington.  The following is the word from the CCIW notes this past week:

"If Illinois Wesleyan, Wheaton and Carthage finish in a three-way tie for third
place at 9-5, Wheaton would earn the No. 3 seed based on its 3-1 composite
record against Carthage and Illinois Wesleyan during the regular season. The next
step would be to determine which team gets the No. 4 seed, Illinois Wesleyan
or Carthage. The Titans and Red Men split their season series, and under this
scenario, both teams will have finished 1-1 against first place Augustana and
second place North Central. Illinois Wesleyan finished 1-1 against the next place
team, which is Wheaton, while Carthage was 0-2 against the Thunder. This would
give Illinois Wesleyan the fourth and final seed."

Guess I was off! I suppose that when reading this CCIW tiebreaker policy:

"In the case of a tie involving more than two teams, the tiebreaker criteria should be used to remove one team before going back to the original criteria (at the start) and attempting to break the teams that remain tied."

I incorrectly inferred that the "removal" of a team was more of an elimination, as in the "loser" of the tiebreaker. I didn't really consider that a team could be "removed" in the sense that they won the tiebreaker.  It's strangely worded, I think, but I suppose it fits now that I think about it!

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but am I correct in thinking that Wheaton will face North Central in the first round on Friday, regardless of the outcome of Tuesday's game?  It seems like if Augie wins, we will see (1) Augie vs. (4) Carthage and (2) NCC vs. (3) Wheaton in Rock Island. On the other hand, if Wesleyan pulls it off, we would see (1) NCC vs. (4) Wheaton and (2) Augie vs. (3) IWU in Naperville.  Do I have that right?