Quote from: doolittledog on November 01, 2022, 12:08:53 AM
There was some discussion of veteran rosters and young rosters.  Thought I would look up UD.  Fans of other schools let me know how things stack up.

For the Luther game, UD started a fairly young team. 
3 - Seniors
7 - Juniors
10 - Sophomores
2  - Freshmen

2 weeks earlier against Simpson the 2-deeps were

Offense
1 Senior starter
2 Junior starters, 2 Juniors 2nd team
7 Sophomore starters, 7 Sophomores 2nd team
1 Freshman starter, 2 Freshman 2nd team

Defense
2 Senior starters
6 Junior starters, 3 Junior 2nd team
3 Sophomore starters, 8 Sophomores 2nd team

That's a fairly young team for UD.  I'm hopeful these guys can stick around through their senior seasons to see how things play out.  Lots of potential there. 

To piggyback on that doolittledog, I noticed Wartburg has 11 5th year players noted on their roster and some other teams like Coe and UD have 0 noted.  Is that accurate or do not all teams signify whether a player is a 5th year on their roster?

Coe/Cornell also comes to mind being the longest rivalry west of the Mississippi.  However, Cornell needs to start holding up their end of the rivalry with Coe now sitting at 20 straight over them. 

Thoughts and prayers to the entire Staker family.  Kohawk Nation lost an Iowa coaching legend and a wonderful human being.  I had the privilege of playing with Tyler, and Steve was the DC while I was there.  The passion that their entire family shares for the game of football and developing young men far beyond the football field is what makes this game so great.  You will be missed coach.

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Quote from: GoIrish7 on January 28, 2019, 03:57:44 PM
https://247sports.com/Article/Wisconsin-Whitewater-wakeyleaks-offensive-coordinator-playbook-cheating-scandal-128396746/

Curious to hear everyones thoughts on this. Tough look for those involved. Wonder what the consequenses will be for Coach Z and Schmidt.... other assistants involved. Have to imagine d3 officials will have to step in as it is a multi conference deal.

The stupidity involved is really what jumps out at me.  Not condoning cheating by any stretch of the imagination, but sending email strings with words like "Keep this on the down low please" have to be pretty high on the list of ways to get caught.  You are right not a good look at all for the parties involved, and will be curious to hear all the facts surrounding it.

Quote from: Purple Heys on September 22, 2018, 05:52:55 PM

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Quote from: Kohawk Nation on September 21, 2018, 01:07:17 PM
Coe better beat Cornell every time?  What am I even hearing.  You don't give inspirational speeches for a living do you?

I am well aware as you have pointed out excessively now that Coe beating Cornell is not a barometer of how good or bad of a team Coe is.  I just don't usually go around saying "those guys suck!" when the team I root for has no room to talk.  But that's just me.

Thank you for the Coe football history lesson as well.  Since I was part of the Raeburn years I'll make a small correction for you (*2002-2012).  I don't think winning the conference in 2016 masks anything, I just think there is greater parity in the conference now with Wartburg, Central, Coe and Dubuque (2011 and on) all vying for a piece of the prize and other teams improving as well.

Since you are such a big Coe football history buff, you'll know that Coe went through a bit of a dip in 2006-2008 (18-12 overall, 14-10 conference) as well.  I just don't get too worked up over a couple down years.  I'm also not trying to sell you on anything, pretty much just stating a fact that Augustana is an improved program from a tough conference with rich football tradition and Dubuque is tough year in year out now to explain to you that Coe's 2 losses weren't to patsies. 

You don't need to attempt to school me on good Coe teams beating tough teams.  I am well aware.

I would think as a Reaburn guy you would have higher expectations for your 'Hacks.  In the age of analytics, the tracking numbers indicate they are down.  They have 7 games to prove otherwise.

Reading comprehension must not be a strong characteristic for Cornell fans if what you took from my response is that I have low expectations for Coe.  I just don't hang my hopes and dreams on the outcome of games played by a bunch of D3 kids playing for the love of the game.  Do I want them to win?  Absolutely.  If they lose does it ruin my weekend?  Nope.  My expectations have zero impact on either result.  The players and coaches expectations for themselves is what helps dictate that.  I take the same approach when cheering on the Hawkeyes.  Makes sports a little more enjoyable for me.

I did say they are going through a dip (or down however you want to refer to it).  I sure hope they can meet your expectations over these next 7 games.

Glad Coe won your coin toss 

There he goes folks, your dispassionate 'Hack fan.  Sure did take a lot of words for you to express how little you cared.

dispassionate meaning: 1. able to think clearly or make good decisions because of not being influenced by emotions.

Sure I can live with that. 

Doesn't surprise me that a Cornell fan has trouble with lots of words, but I can't post in crayons or just pictures.

35-14 Coe FINAL.

Quote from: Purple Heys on September 22, 2018, 02:22:09 AM

Quote from: Kohawk Nation on September 21, 2018, 01:07:17 PM
Coe better beat Cornell every time?  What am I even hearing.  You don't give inspirational speeches for a living do you?

I am well aware as you have pointed out excessively now that Coe beating Cornell is not a barometer of how good or bad of a team Coe is.  I just don't usually go around saying "those guys suck!" when the team I root for has no room to talk.  But that's just me.

Thank you for the Coe football history lesson as well.  Since I was part of the Raeburn years I'll make a small correction for you (*2002-2012).  I don't think winning the conference in 2016 masks anything, I just think there is greater parity in the conference now with Wartburg, Central, Coe and Dubuque (2011 and on) all vying for a piece of the prize and other teams improving as well.

Since you are such a big Coe football history buff, you'll know that Coe went through a bit of a dip in 2006-2008 (18-12 overall, 14-10 conference) as well.  I just don't get too worked up over a couple down years.  I'm also not trying to sell you on anything, pretty much just stating a fact that Augustana is an improved program from a tough conference with rich football tradition and Dubuque is tough year in year out now to explain to you that Coe's 2 losses weren't to patsies. 

You don't need to attempt to school me on good Coe teams beating tough teams.  I am well aware.

I would think as a Reaburn guy you would have higher expectations for your 'Hacks.  In the age of analytics, the tracking numbers indicate they are down.  They have 7 games to prove otherwise.

Reading comprehension must not be a strong characteristic for Cornell fans if what you took from my response is that I have low expectations for Coe.  I just don't hang my hopes and dreams on the outcome of games played by a bunch of D3 kids playing for the love of the game.  Do I want them to win?  Absolutely.  If they lose does it ruin my weekend?  Nope.  My expectations have zero impact on either result.  The players and coaches expectations for themselves is what helps dictate that.  I take the same approach when cheering on the Hawkeyes.  Makes sports a little more enjoyable for me.

I did say they are going through a dip (or down however you want to refer to it).  I sure hope they can meet your expectations over these next 7 games.

Glad Coe won your coin toss 

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Quote from: Purple Heys on September 19, 2018, 04:56:47 PM
Is there a Ko-Hack fan out that can speak to the recent woes of their team?

Was 2016 a fluke?  Taking 2016 as an outlier to the data, from 2014 to date the 'Hacks have played like they have soggy crunchberries.

And before you go there, the annual Cornell beat down does not provide any barometer.

It may not provide a barometer, but 19 straight wins of domination has to make you wonder how one can even classify the other as going through "recent woes".  I would only call 2016 a fluke if Coe hadn't had the past success they've had.  Losses to tough Augustana and Dubuque teams this season don't have me thinking the Kohawks should pack in the season quite yet.

De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt...   

I did mention 19 straight wins right?  Shhhhhhhhhhhh 

Feel better now?  That's your noise?  Coe beat Cornell 19 in  row...Yadda yadda yadda.  Coe better beat Cornell every time.

To quote, well, myself, "the annual beatdown over Cornell does not provide any barometer" as to how good, bad, or mediocre Coe has been.

Coe's record over the last 5 years:

'13  7-3   4-3
'14  5-5   4-3
'15  4-6   3-4
'16  11-1  8-0
'17  4-6   2-6
'18  1-2   0-1   (the 1 win being the 19th win in a row vs. the Rams as you so eloquently point out)

At one point (2004-2012) Coe had to be considered an annual IIAC contender, these being the Raeburn years were also tough years to reach the top in the IIAC with both Central and Wartburg being very good teams.  Poppa Staker comes in, has a tough Year 1, but then 2009-2012 has the 'Hacks in the upper echelon of the conference as Central sort of dropped off.

But then, from 2013 on, the 'Hacks - by 'Hack standards - seem to have dropped off except for Sonny Boy's first year.

So I am wondering if the 'Hack fans are feeling this or not.  Maybe 2016 is still fresh in memory and that masks 'Hacks 20-20 W-L record in the four other years over the last five.  But there you have it by the numbers.  Coe has been a middling program in the IIAC.  What's wrong with Coe?  Why aren't they better?  Why does this game against BV seem like a toss-up, when Coe used to dispatch the Beaves with relative ease?

It's weak to sell "tough" losses over to "tough" Augustana and Dubuque teams - you sound like a Ram Fan.  Good Coe teams could beat tough teams.

I need to know these things so I can make my pick for the Pick 'ems and I just can't get a read on Coe.  Can't you see there is a bigger thing here?

Coe better beat Cornell every time?  What am I even hearing.  You don't give inspirational speeches for a living do you?

I am well aware as you have pointed out excessively now that Coe beating Cornell is not a barometer of how good or bad of a team Coe is.  I just don't usually go around saying "those guys suck!" when the team I root for has no room to talk.  But that's just me.

Thank you for the Coe football history lesson as well.  Since I was part of the Raeburn years I'll make a small correction for you (*2002-2012).  I don't think winning the conference in 2016 masks anything, I just think there is greater parity in the conference now with Wartburg, Central, Coe and Dubuque (2011 and on) all vying for a piece of the prize and other teams improving as well.

Since you are such a big Coe football history buff, you'll know that Coe went through a bit of a dip in 2006-2008 (18-12 overall, 14-10 conference) as well.  I just don't get too worked up over a couple down years.  I'm also not trying to sell you on anything, pretty much just stating a fact that Augustana is an improved program from a tough conference with rich football tradition and Dubuque is tough year in year out now to explain to you that Coe's 2 losses weren't to patsies. 

You don't need to attempt to school me on good Coe teams beating tough teams.  I am well aware.

Quote from: Purple Heys on September 20, 2018, 08:07:28 PM

Quote from: Kohawk Nation on September 20, 2018, 10:09:11 AM

Quote from: Purple Heys on September 19, 2018, 04:56:47 PM
Is there a Ko-Hack fan out that can speak to the recent woes of their team?

Was 2016 a fluke?  Taking 2016 as an outlier to the data, from 2014 to date the 'Hacks have played like they have soggy crunchberries.

And before you go there, the annual Cornell beat down does not provide any barometer.

It may not provide a barometer, but 19 straight wins of domination has to make you wonder how one can even classify the other as going through "recent woes".  I would only call 2016 a fluke if Coe hadn't had the past success they've had.  Losses to tough Augustana and Dubuque teams this season don't have me thinking the Kohawks should pack in the season quite yet.

De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt...   

I did mention 19 straight wins right?  Shhhhhhhhhhhh 

Quote from: Purple Heys on September 19, 2018, 04:56:47 PM
Is there a Ko-Hack fan out that can speak to the recent woes of their team?

Was 2016 a fluke?  Taking 2016 as an outlier to the data, from 2014 to date the 'Hacks have played like they have soggy crunchberries.

And before you go there, the annual Cornell beat down does not provide any barometer.

It may not provide a barometer, but 19 straight wins of domination has to make you wonder how one can even classify the other as going through "recent woes".  I would only call 2016 a fluke if Coe hadn't had the past success they've had.  Losses to tough Augustana and Dubuque teams this season don't have me thinking the Kohawks should pack in the season quite yet.

Quote from: HansenRatings on November 20, 2017, 04:43:04 PM

Quote from: Kohawk Nation on November 20, 2017, 02:47:03 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan had the same total between 1st & 2nd team (6), why no uproar? 

Because I never played against NWU and they don't have any fans to antagonize on this board... duh

Duh, shame on me for not taking this into consideration. 

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Quote from: Alfredeneumann on November 16, 2017, 02:36:56 PM
Wartburg's Sacia Offensive MVP, Willis COY +  UD Joseph Defensive MVP.

All-Conf teams
http://go-knights.net/news/2017/11/16/football-sacia-named-iiac-offensive-mvp-willis-named-coach-of-the-year.aspx

Last place Coe WAY overrepresented.

I agree, most of Coe's players are Sr's. Makes one wonder if they got credit for what the Kohawks did in '16 not how they performed in '17?

I'd be curious what exactly you are basing your statements on.  First, this is splitting hairs but Coe finished in a 3-way tie for last based on conference record.  Second, here are the totals for 1st team, 2nd team, and HM per school:
Wartburg: 17
Central: 11
Simpson: 11
Coe: 8
Luther: 7
BV: 7
UD: 6
Loras: 6
Nebraska Wesleyan: 6

WAY overrepresented seems a bit of a reach based on the parity between the rest of the conference.

Including honorable mentions is disingenuous. Typically, every player nominated by his coaching staff gets an HM, but 4 first-teamers for the LAST PLACE (don't care if it's a tie, last place is last place) team is too many. Same breakdown, but just 1st & 2nd teamers:

Team	1st Team	2nd Team	Total
Wartburg	7	5	12
Simpson	3	5	8
Central	6	1	7
Coe	4	2	6
Neb. Wesleyan	1	5	6
Dubuque	2	3	5
Buena Vista	1	3	4
Luther	1	2	3
Loras	1	2	3

I would love to hear your reasoning to dismiss those 4 players that earned First Team honors.  Peters was 1st in sacks, 1st in TFL, and 1st in Forced Fumbles.  Heitland was 3rd in sacks, 2nd in TFL, and 1st in Fumbles Recovered.  As for the 2 OL honored, since pancake blocks and sacks given up aren't stats that are kept on the IIAC Conference page I'll just have to go with the voters opinions.  Nebraska Wesleyan had the same total between 1st & 2nd team (6), why no uproar? 

Quote from: Alfredeneumann on November 18, 2017, 08:13:00 AM

Quote from: 5 Words or Less on November 17, 2017, 01:42:07 PM

Quote from: Alfredeneumann on November 16, 2017, 02:36:56 PM
Wartburg's Sacia Offensive MVP, Willis COY +  UD Joseph Defensive MVP.

All-Conf teams
http://go-knights.net/news/2017/11/16/football-sacia-named-iiac-offensive-mvp-willis-named-coach-of-the-year.aspx

Last place Coe WAY overrepresented.

I agree, most of Coe's players are Sr's. Makes one wonder if they got credit for what the Kohawks did in '16 not how they performed in '17?

I'd be curious what exactly you are basing your statements on.  First, this is splitting hairs but Coe finished in a 3-way tie for last based on conference record.  Second, here are the totals for 1st team, 2nd team, and HM per school:
Wartburg: 17
Central: 11
Simpson: 11
Coe: 8
Luther: 7
BV: 7
UD: 6
Loras: 6
Nebraska Wesleyan: 6

WAY overrepresented seems a bit of a reach based on the parity between the rest of the conference.

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Quote from: Purple Heys on November 07, 2017, 10:57:19 AM
The 2017 Kohack Misery tour continues, 1-6 in IIAC play...hard to not not break out into howls of derisive laughter.  Any talk of them going back to the MWC yet?   

Your beloved Rams lost to these "Kohacks" 59-21 during a down year for Coe.  You do realize this right?

Finally!  We have a Kohack landing!  I wondered how much more it would take...   

Since the Rams high-tailed it back to the MWC, I forgot they even played the 'hacks anymore.

So the main purpose of your post was to troll a Kohawk to tell you how terrible Cornell is?  Glad I could oblige. 

Quote from: Purple Heys on November 07, 2017, 10:57:19 AM
The 2017 Kohack Misery tour continues, 1-6 in IIAC play...hard to not not break out into howls of derisive laughter.  Any talk of them going back to the MWC yet?   

Your beloved Rams lost to these "Kohacks" 59-21 during a down year for Coe.  You do realize this right?