Let's just say I'm going to listen to the first 10 minutes of tomorrow's game and turn it off and forget about it and come back to see the final score around 11 at night. Boy was I in for a surprise to see the final and the fact that CNU out scored Hamilton by 20 in the second half. Williams for sure will definitely be a tough test. Happy they got the home site team out of their and can battle in a neutral floor. Need to do a little research on Williams before tomorrow tip off. So glad the men pulled it off and what a heart breaker in Scranton on the women's side. Can't wait for tomorrow night!

Congrats to Aaron McFarland and Coach K for their respective end of the year CAC awards! Is it Friday night yet!?

Congrats to the women too!! Glad they were able to get in despite the heartbreaking buzzer beater in the CAC Championship.

Hosting?! Congrats to the Captains!!

For those of you familiar with SNL from the early 90s, "Here's a topic, talk among yourselves" LOL Loved that skit. Anywho, looking at the new regional rankings, if the Captains lose the CAC Championship game, do they get one of those coveted at-large bids (assuming most of the conferences go the way they are supposed to go and we all know that doesn't always happen!)?

Man it's been dead on this board and rightfully so. I hope everyone enjoyed their holiday and ready to get back to some bball action. CNU back to the court tonight hosting the Captains Shootout this weekend. Ready for action to resume!! Ready for sports to resume!!

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2017, 02:53:47 PM
Thanks Goose. I don't see the CAC being less competitive in conference, but I don't think it will have the same national or regional impact it has had in the last few years. It is a temporary thing as everything ebbs and flows.

Simple fact, win the conference tournament and don't worry about everyone else. Regardless of how up or down the CAC is.

Dave,

Just ready your article that included your ballot. Great read sir and great information about your teams. CNU can help its cause by winning their non-conference games. I didn't realize the CAC is down this year, so let's hope they take care of business in the CAC this yea and they can help their cause by beating the likes of RMC, VA Wesleyan, Catholic, etc and hope they do some damage in their respective conferences.

This might be one of the more smaller rosters I've seen since I started following CNU back in the late 90's. I am shocked at the lack of size. Is this a transition? (Rhetorically asked, tho please feel free to lay your thoughts out). Could also be they recruited taller kids and they decided to go elsewhere or didn't make the cut in the classroom. Just as surprised as you are to see someone from PA on the roster. Curious to see if there is anyone out there who can tell us a little bit about his previous experience. Six days away from tip.

CNU85, thanks for getting that taken care of so can can all have something else to talk about before the opener!!

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 27, 2017, 02:37:26 PM

Quote from: Goose_13 on October 27, 2017, 01:53:47 PM
I may have misread the posts so take don't take too much offense to this! LOL But wasn't Private vs. Public a HUGE point of contention when CNU was in the Dixie/USA South? I know I remember "hearing" rumblings of this quite a bit during my tenure at CNU, as they were the only public school in the conference. I though the move to the CAC would definitely be more beneficial in many ways, with this being one of them, as they would be moving to a conference with more public schools. Obviously that has changed in the years since. Here's my question, have any of you guys (i.e. Pat, Dave, etc) heard any more rumblings on the conference changes front since that article was posted. I only ask out curiosity, as I don't have any "ties" to any of the teams other than being an alum and fan. I still can't over the possibility of the amount of changes that are/could be coming. Don't get me wrong, I like hearing about these things off the top, more so when it doesn't necessarily have any impact on my favorite team. I still would love to know where CNU could end up if the CAC dissolves. We know they aren't going back to the USA South, nor will they go to the ODAC. Can't go south or west, only option is north as I see in my lack of knowledge vision on this. Could it be one of the MAC conferences, Centennial, Landmark? To me those are the most logical and could provide a competitive balance, of course football could be an issue. Or do they go as far as recruit some schools and make their own conference. I am spitballing here guys and rambling I know. I am still trying to wrap my brain around all this! Thanks for listening, or in this case, reading, my rant!!

Private v Public is a constant debate and topic of conversation whenever conferences are discussed. Comes up every time I talk to anyone about it. It is just ingrained. There are fallacies and legitimate challenges to the relationships. I also think there is some unfounded theories and fears from both sides depending on the situation. My favorite is when a school says they have a recruiting disadvantage to a public school and feel moving conferences changes that. Last I checked, the schools aren't physically moving themselves, thus the locations of schools and the recruiting challenges remain.

Not following exactly what you are asking when it comes to conference changes and the article we posted in June. While there hasn't been anything official from that new conference, that move is coming. The CSAC released a statement over the summer detailing their moves moving forward once five of their institutions leave the nest. Why the new conference hasn't said anything official is unknown. I do think we may have snuffed out their thunder (I was told by several sources they were days away from announcing it when we published). I also was told from a source that one school's president told their school that they were waiting for the NCAA to approve the conference (something that has never stopped an announcement in the past; it is a rubber stamp thing for the most part). I am told they still don't have a name, colors, etc., so I am really not sure why all the delays.

If you are talking about more changes, there are some rumors I am hearing, but I am not at all about to start throwing them around. Southern Virginia was a linchpin for the CAC. If they had gone full-time to the ODAC, it would have caused major problems. I just didn't see York (PA) staying put after that and the CAC would have been left with very few teams. However, SVU is staying put outside of football (which will move from the NJAC to the ODAC). That leaves some stability with the CAC. It remains to be seen what York does, but there is less fear of being left alone in the CAC than there was beforehand.

As far as CNU goes, I think they are fine for now. If the CAC remains intact, they don't have to go anywhere. I would agree that they don't have a lot of options out there. I don't see the MAC working due to distance (Lycoming to CNU would be BRUTAL let alone FDU Florham to CNU). They do not fit with the Centennial nor the Landmark at all. The rest of the conferences outside the ODAC are never going to accept CNU on a competitive basis. ODAC is too large and if they wanted CNU they would have courted them during the process that brought in Ferrum. I am told CNU wasn't even part of that.

There technically is the NJAC, but that would have to change the NJAC so revolutionary wise to bring in CNU that I simply don't see it happening. I mention it only because you mentioned looking "north."

If the CAC dissolves for whatever reason, I suspect what will actually happen is the remnants of the CAC for the most part (not all parties) will probably look to form up with others possibly from the ODAC or elsewhere to create a new conference. However, that is so far off in terms of reality for what is going on now that it isn't worth really discussing or worrying about.

Dave,

I think you covered everything that was going through my brain during that "frantic" writing of my post LOL It's just one of those things where you can't really say or even speculate much until you hear some sort of an announcement come out on who's going where, or who will be in the new conference, officially that is. Just have to wait and see. I figured there weren't many options for CNU if more teams end up leaving the CAC than anticipated. Thank you for taking the time and explaining everything. For now, we will just have to focus on the present and not so much on the future.

Quote from: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 09:13:39 AM
CNU was embarrassed yesterday at ODU...according to the box score, Ellis, Gibbs and McFarland didn't play, which makes me feel a little bit better.  I also noticed a lot of new names for the Captains...wish they'd update their roster!

Need to get on those guys in the Athletic Communication Department!! LOL Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't post it until a bit closer to the season opener. IDK why, but a lot of coaches like to keep their rosters close to the vest!

I may have misread the posts so take don't take too much offense to this! LOL But wasn't Private vs. Public a HUGE point of contention when CNU was in the Dixie/USA South? I know I remember "hearing" rumblings of this quite a bit during my tenure at CNU, as they were the only public school in the conference. I though the move to the CAC would definitely be more beneficial in many ways, with this being one of them, as they would be moving to a conference with more public schools. Obviously that has changed in the years since. Here's my question, have any of you guys (i.e. Pat, Dave, etc) heard any more rumblings on the conference changes front since that article was posted. I only ask out curiosity, as I don't have any "ties" to any of the teams other than being an alum and fan. I still can't over the possibility of the amount of changes that are/could be coming. Don't get me wrong, I like hearing about these things off the top, more so when it doesn't necessarily have any impact on my favorite team. I still would love to know where CNU could end up if the CAC dissolves. We know they aren't going back to the USA South, nor will they go to the ODAC. Can't go south or west, only option is north as I see in my lack of knowledge vision on this. Could it be one of the MAC conferences, Centennial, Landmark? To me those are the most logical and could provide a competitive balance, of course football could be an issue. Or do they go as far as recruit some schools and make their own conference. I am spitballing here guys and rambling I know. I am still trying to wrap my brain around all this! Thanks for listening, or in this case, reading, my rant!!

Holy crap!! Ferrum is going to the ODAC and Southern Virignia is (is that confirmed?) leaving the NJAC!? What rock have I been hiding under for the past 4 to 6 months!?! I even had lunch with a couple of my old cronies from CNU last week and they didn't even say anything about all of this. I'd hate to see the CAC go away, especially with it's longstanding tradition. I thought the move to the CAC was a must for CNU. Now it could be all for not. Can we speculate on the possibility of the CAC dissolving for a second. Where in the world would CNU end up?! I can't even wrap my head around it. The Ferrum move to the ODAC seems like a no brainer. Cuts down on some of those long trips to Georgia for sure, plus it's a private school in a conference filled with private schools, so I get that. Southern Virginia I can understand too, especially from a football standpoint and the travel. I'm not exactly in the know here, but in my experience, I didn't think SVA had a lot of money to be able to spend on travel as extensive as the NJAC can be, so is this a cost saving move? Definitely can see that. Whew that was a lot to catch up on in a matter of minutes. Love to hear anyone else's take on this or expanded take from what I've had a chance to read. Hope everyone is doing well!!

Sooooo, what did I miss!? LOL Hadn't checked the boards out in a few days and I head over to them this morning and had to go back almost three pages from where I last stopped! Must say that was the most fired up I've seen this board in quite a while. Both sides had valid arguments, not saying who is right or who is wrong, tho I am sure my CNU faithful will be upset I'm not taking their side on the matter. However, I worked in sports information for more than 10 years, got the opportunity to meet Pat many times and I definitely can say I learned a lot about what the parameters of D3 entails. A lot of you who have been on these boards for more than a decade will know I have certainly voiced my displeasure many times! Nice to see the passionate fans out voicing their opinions on things but it's also nice to see the flip side of the argument. Anyway, I digress! Yeah I am bummed the Captains couldn't host either weekend, I  had a feeling the first weekend they didn't have a chance with how well the women did this year, even before I looked at the bracket. Once I did, I knew it was going to be a repeat of last year in that they would have to be on the road all the way to the semis. For the women, first weekend was a definite. Had they not lost those late conference games, things might have been different (can't say for certain as I have not done the research), and they "might" have been able to host the second weekend. Assuming CNU gets by Keene St., they will definitely have their hands full with Babson. I do have a question for Pat, Dave, and/or Ryan. I thought I read some where that Babson's gym only seats 750. How does that fit the criteria for hosting? I am not asking rudely, my tone is normal! LOL I am just curious with their gym so small, was this factored in at all? Again, I don't remember the exact criteria, I am more along the curious line! Thanks all!!

I am hoping to make it to a game at some point this year. Was thinking about coming down tonight then my oldest daughter tells me she needs my help with something tonight. I will have to see what's going on next Wednesday. Salisbury/CNU will definitely be a great contest for sure!

CNU85, I hear ya there my friend. I'm sure the CNU community is enjoying having you on board in all capacities.

It's exciting to see both teams ranked in the top 10 together. I know expectations are high on campus right now but both coaches know how to keep their players grounded. Will definitely be checking my phone tonight in earnest to see how things are going. Especially with that women's game tonight!