Congratulations to the Maroons! Celebrate for fifteen minutes and then get back to the books.  Finals start on Tuesday.

If you will be in Chicago's scenic Hyde Park neighborhood tomorrow, Nella Pizza e Pasta will be hosting a Soccer Doubleheader Brunch, USA vs Netherlands at 9am, followed at 11am by Your University of Chicago Maroons vs some effete liberal snobs from Connecticut, New Hampshire or one of those places who call themselves Gs or Hs or some other letter. May the best team from the south side of Chicago win.

Nella is located at:
1125 E 55th St
Chicago, IL  60615
(773) 643-0603
https://nellachicago.com/

The restaurant is in the Jeanne Gang designed North Residential Commons which you can have named after yourself for $35 - $40 million.  Nella has won Michelin Bib Gourmand 2020, 2021 and 2022.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Clrgk8utN1-/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y

Quote from: Mr.Right on November 22, 2017, 12:18:30 PM
2017 Championship Odds:

Chicago   6-1
Messiah   8-1
Brandeis  14-1
North Park  35-1

Those odds collectively add up to 39.2%.  Is there a fifth team in the final four with a 60.8% chance of winning?

Quote from: ADL70 on June 14, 2015, 05:55:24 PM
I was aware that Chicago originated the logo. D3 Carroll uses it as well. You linked to D2 Carrol (MT).

I goofed up.  I would call Carroll's logo a variant of the wishbone C.  The classic version has a round interior of the C and a round exterior with a point added.  Carroll has the inside and outside sloping to a point. The Cincinnati Reds have a hybrid - round inside and Carroll like outside,  They used to have a classic version.  Here is Carroll writing about its C:
http://carrollulibrarynews.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-legend-of-carroll-c.html

Here is the history of the Cincinnati Reds version:
http://sportsteamhistory.com/cincinnati-reds-logos

Quote from: formerd3db on June 14, 2015, 07:29:47 PM
martin:

Thanks for sharing the information regarding the U of C facilities.  I remember when the Fieldhouse was transformed into the two tier level facility.  The old Athletic Hall/A.A. Stagg's old office (I forget the name without looking it up right now) next to it was where the Heisman/history room was.  As it has been several years since I visited that, is it still there or did they move it to the new Ratner AC?

It is kind of a neat experience to walk the area of The Regenstein Library where the old stadium stood and envision what it was like in the old days, especially in comparing it to old photographs of games there.  I'm also that the University preserved one of the old gates from the original Stagg Field stadium and incorporated that in the new entrance to New Stagg Field when those renovations were done back in the 1980's.  A nice touch to preserve a little history for today's teams.

One last comment:  When I was co-writing Alma College's Centennial Football History back in 1993-1994, we found in the archives and yearbooks that A.A. Stagg was invited up to Alma to the football team's end-of-the season banquet to give a speech and partake in the dinner in 1902.  It was a most interesting read about his visit.   

The original athletics facility was Bartlett Hall at University and 57th.  It has been converted to a dining hall.  All the offices are in Ratner now. Some Bartlett pics - then and now:
http://brunercott.com/portfolio/academic/campus_centers/cc_univ_chicago_bartlett
http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/010329/bartlett.shtml

Quote from: DBQ1965 on June 13, 2015, 10:41:03 PM

Quote from: formerd3db on June 13, 2015, 08:29:30 PM

Quote from: DBQ1965 on June 13, 2015, 07:38:40 PM
I know it was a different era, but how many D3 teams can boast a Heisman Trophy winner among its players?

So true DBQ1965.  I had the great privilege of meeting Berwanger years ago after having been invited by him for a visit.  We met at his then office and he kindlpy spent some 4 1/2 hours visiting with me.  We talked about many things, although obviously no surprise that the big topic was football.  He shared with me about his time at U of C and Stagg when Berwanger was a freshman and the Old Stagg Field Stadium and Big Ten football back then. (Some of you may not know that U of C of the Big Ten (Western Conference) played MIAA Hillsdale College in 1930 and it was a low scoring game). 

Anyway, he gave me signed photos (his famous pose of course) and a book on the Heisman.  I remember when walking up the front walk and I was holding a new book on the Heisman winners that my wife had given me for my birthday-I was bringing it to have him sign it. He saw the book and sad..."oh, I see you already have that one" and he proceeded to give me a different book on the Heisman winners that had also been published at the time and signed both for me.  His autographed photo remains in my sports library den.  He gave everyone who visited him one of the Heisman books.  Berwanger was very kind and generous man and I was sad when he passed away in the early 2000s. 

I do love U of C's football history room and seeing the original Heisman Trophy.  WashU was big time football also until the 1930's.

My claim to fame with U of C  came with running the 880 (I am that old) and the 800 indoors on the 220 dirt track oval in the old fieldhouse (allegedly built above the Fermi cyclotron on campus).  Two times I ran for Wheaton College and once representing McCormick Theological Seminary.  While unofficial, I did run a PR at 1:59.1 in 1961. Now I still run at 5k distances in the 70-74 age group.

The Fieldhouse is at University and 56th.  The cyclotron was in the Accelerator Building, 5604-20 S Ellis. This is (was) just south of the Ratner Athletics Center, UofC's new facility - the replacement for the Fieldhouse, which is still in use.  Around 1974, the Fieldhouse went from one cavernous level to two levels. The track (now synthetic) and basketball court are on the second floor.
http://photoarchive.lib.uchicago.edu/db.xqy?one=apf2-00114.xml

The entire west side of the 5600 block of South Ellis has been demolished to make way for the William Eckhardt Research Center.
http://facilities.uchicago.edu/construction/current/meb/

Across Ellis is Regenstein Library - built on the site where Stagg Field stood.  Under the West Stand of Stagg Field, Fermi built Chicago Pile-1, the first nuclear reactor to achieve a self-sustaining chain reaction.  Henry Moore's sculpture "Nuclear Energy" marks the spot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Pile-1

The cyclotron was moved out to Fermilab in 1971.  It was obsolete as an accelerator but the Tevatron could use its magnets. Parts of it were still in use until the Tevatron was shut down after the Large Hadron Collider began running.
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/archive/archive_2006/today06-05-05.html

Good history of the Chicago Cyclotron aka Fermi's Magnet:
http://www.physics.rutgers.edu/cyclotron/visited_cycs/the_many_lives.pdf

Quote from: ADL70 on June 14, 2015, 08:59:01 AM
Further UAA connection to the Heisman--an NYU player was the sculptor`s model.

Interesting that Carroll also uses the "wishbone C" logo as well.

Yes Greg, CWRU and CMU play a trophy game which is included in PAC`s week 11 rivalry games.

And d3db the UAA will continue in the other sports.

Carroll does not use the wishbone C - they use a block C.
http://carrollathletics.com/index.aspx?path=football&

Central College uses the wishbone C. But Chicago originated the logo.
http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/12724/the-uni-watch-history-of-the-wishbone-c

I think you may see something like Cornell and Grinnell going to the North, Beloit to the South and Chicago added to the South.

Wash U is joining the CCIW as an associate member for football in 2018.
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/20150611z55r5g

Chicago is also leaving the SAA after the 2017 season.  No new football conference affiliation has been announced.
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20150612631ks3

Wash U will only play Chicago - no more games with CMU and CWRU.

Wash U is joining the CCIW as an associate member for football in 2018.
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/20150611z55r5g

Chicago is also leaving the SAA after the 2017 season.  No new football conference affiliation has been announced.
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20150612631ks3

Quote from: larry_u on November 21, 2012, 01:09:40 PM
This article takes everything I wanted to say and states it perfectly.  Enjoy the spotlight Grinnell, cause it ain't gonna last long:

http://deadspin.com/5962514/?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

I was just about to post the same link.  The last and best line from that story:

QuoteGrinnell accomplished its mission. They can now go away.

Quote from: kiko on November 20, 2012, 10:32:33 AM

Quote from: martin on November 19, 2012, 11:37:20 PM
Jordan Smith has had a great start - 17.7 ppg and 4.7 boards - in three games.  It is rare for freshmen to have an impact.  I do not count Steve Djurickovic - he never really was a freshman.  Adam Dauksas started as a freshman and was good but on a good team where he could blend in.  The last CCIW freshman to have a big impact was Drew Carstens in 2000-1. 

I don't know that it is fair to dismiss Steve Djurickovic so easily unless you are simply aiming to narrow the conversation enough to bubble all of your Maroons to the top of the list.  Yes, he basically grew up on the court, and came in with a rarified level of ability and court sense.  But to have an 18-year-old's body and dominate as much as he did amongst 21/22-year-olds is no easy feat.  To his credit, there wasn't really any transition period in which he struggled.

Sorry for creating confusion.  I was not dismissing Steve Djurickovic.  I was pointing out that he never played like a freshman.  He stepped onto the court as an 18 year old with more poise than just about anyone.  That is what I meant by "he was never really a freshman."  I was not trying to bubble Jordan Smith to the top of any list.  He has only played three games and who knows what the future brings.  It is hard to excel as a freshman.  I cannot think of another player in recent D3 history who has had anywhere near the impact of Djurickovic.  That includes all the CCIW players I mentioned - Carstens, Dauksas, Raridon.  Korey Coon, who was the point guard as a freshman on IWU's 1997 National Championship team, and Djurickovic are in a class by themselves as impact freshmen.

Quote from: AndOne on November 20, 2012, 01:18:33 AM
Martin,

There has been at least one freshman to have made what I would call a big impact since 2001.
If you will remember, at the conclusion of the 2009-2010 season CCIW member North Central player Derek Raridon was named the D3 National Freshman Of The Year. I think it can be said he made a fairly big impact. Since then he has been named to the All-Region team, and this year he was named a pre-season All-American.
Another pre-season All-American this season, Landon Gamble, was all-conference, all-region, and the regional freshman of the year in 2010-2011.

I think you're certainly correct though when you you say it takes a special player to have an impact as a freshman.
Not only is it rare for a freshman to make a "big" impact, but if I'm not mistaken, I don't think its usual for more than a handful of freshmen to even start each year in the CCIW. Others would know the specific numbers better than me.

I forgot about Derek Raridon.  He is too recent.  I may need to worry about early onset dementia - you remember things from the distant past but have a harder time with more recent events.  A case can also be made for Landon Gamble.  Raridon had many of the nature/nurture advantages that Steve Djurickovic had.

The strategy that John Calipari uses is very high risk.  I think Calipari is a jerk but have no objection to him building his teams around "one and done" players.  I object more to the NBA making them wait a year before they can start their chosen profession.  It is hard to win with a bunch of freshmen no matter how talented they are. Calipari has shown that it can work.  You just need to get almost all of the NBA ready players who are forced to spend a year in college before moving on.  But if there are not that many of those players in a given year and you do not get enough of them, you will not be very good. 

From the CCIW Board:

Quote from: martin on November 19, 2012, 11:37:20 PM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 18, 2012, 08:22:17 PM

Quote from: Titan Q on November 18, 2012, 07:45:10 PM
We all remember this about U. of Chicago's big recruiting news a year ago...

http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2011/11/a_true_recruiting_coup.html


It certainly looks like 6-4 guard Jordan Smith (Whitney Young H.S.) is the real deal.  Through his first 3 collegiate games he is averaging 18 ppg.

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/mensbasketball/mbk-bios-2012-13/mbk-bio-2012-13-smith.htm

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/mensbasketball/teamcume.htm


Mike McGrath's Maroons could be a big-time sleeper in the UAA and Midwest region this year.

I watched the Maroons play today. I have to agree with toooldtohoop; right now the Maroons are playing a lot of one-on-one ball. It's quite a shock to the system for those of us who over the years have gotten used to watching Chicago play some of the most meticulously-patterned basketball in the region (with the triple post set, in particular). Now the Maroons are very wide open and try to beat you off the dribble -- no surprise, when you consider that they have Whitney Young alumnus Jordan Smith, Westchester St. Joe alumnus Wayne Simon (who played two years of D1 ball at American), and the fleet-footed Royce Muskeyvalley on the team, all of whom are excellent slashers. Kudos to U of C coach Mike McGrath for recognizing that he has more perimeter athletic talent right now than he's ever had before -- or is ever likely to have at 56th and Ellis -- and adjusting his team's style accordingly.

And, yeah, they do look unimpressive on defense. But that's a function of their youth. Smith and fellow former Whitney Young Dolphin Nate Brooks are freshmen, as is sharp-shooting guard John Steinberg, and Muskeyvalley's only a sophomore. It's a young team, and young teams usually don't defend well.

Jordan Smith has had a great start - 17.7 ppg and 4.7 boards - in three games.  It is rare for freshmen to have an impact.  I do not count Steve Djurickovic - he never really was a freshman.  Adam Dauksas started as a freshman and was good but on a good team where he could blend in.  The last CCIW freshman to have a big impact was Drew Carstens in 2000-1. 

Is it easier for a guard than a big man?  I think Chicago's Nate Brooks has enormous potential but is not at Smith's level yet.  Keelan Amelianovich did little as a freshman - played limited minutes in 18 games.  As a sophomore he was MOP in the CCIW.  But then Derek Reich was UAA Player of the Year all four years.

Maybe the point is that it takes a special player to have an impact as a freshman.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 18, 2012, 08:22:17 PM

Quote from: Titan Q on November 18, 2012, 07:45:10 PM
We all remember this about U. of Chicago's big recruiting news a year ago...

http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2011/11/a_true_recruiting_coup.html


It certainly looks like 6-4 guard Jordan Smith (Whitney Young H.S.) is the real deal.  Through his first 3 collegiate games he is averaging 18 ppg.

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/mensbasketball/mbk-bios-2012-13/mbk-bio-2012-13-smith.htm

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/mensbasketball/teamcume.htm


Mike McGrath's Maroons could be a big-time sleeper in the UAA and Midwest region this year.

I watched the Maroons play today. I have to agree with toooldtohoop; right now the Maroons are playing a lot of one-on-one ball. It's quite a shock to the system for those of us who over the years have gotten used to watching Chicago play some of the most meticulously-patterned basketball in the region (with the triple post set, in particular). Now the Maroons are very wide open and try to beat you off the dribble -- no surprise, when you consider that they have Whitney Young alumnus Jordan Smith, Westchester St. Joe alumnus Wayne Simon (who played two years of D1 ball at American), and the fleet-footed Royce Muskeyvalley on the team, all of whom are excellent slashers. Kudos to U of C coach Mike McGrath for recognizing that he has more perimeter athletic talent right now than he's ever had before -- or is ever likely to have at 56th and Ellis -- and adjusting his team's style accordingly.

And, yeah, they do look unimpressive on defense. But that's a function of their youth. Smith and fellow former Whitney Young Dolphin Nate Brooks are freshmen, as is sharp-shooting guard John Steinberg, and Muskeyvalley's only a sophomore. It's a young team, and young teams usually don't defend well.

Jordan Smith has had a great start - 17.7 ppg and 4.7 boards - in three games.  It is rare for freshmen to have an impact.  I do not count Steve Djurickovic - he never really was a freshman.  Adam Dauksas started as a freshman and was good but on a good team where he could blend in.  The last CCIW freshman to have a big impact was Drew Carstens in 2000-1. 

Is it easier for a guard than a big man?  I think Chicago's Nate Brooks has enormous potential but is not at Smith's level yet.  Keelan Amelianovich did little as a freshman - played limited minutes in 18 games.  As a sophomore he was MOP in the CCIW.  But then Derek Reich was UAA Player of the Year all four years.

Maybe the point is that it takes a special player to have an impact as a freshman.