Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 24, 2014, 10:18:48 AM

Quote from: MooseKnuckles on October 24, 2014, 04:01:40 AM

   Are you writing that Pine couldn't have done that against those teams?  He's just as good at passing and a much better scrambler.  Got no problems with Garcia though.   Maybe Hartwick will find a way to use them both?

They did, if you look at the box score of the Salisbury game

   I did....429 yds/5 tds vs 239 yds/1 td.  My first post was about how much Pine contributed in that particular game and the second was referring to the rest of the season.  I'm not sure that Hartwick's first real experiment with both QB's (losing against a team with a questionable defense) means that they figured anything out yet except that Pine needs more snaps.

Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on October 23, 2014, 06:28:17 AM

Quote from: MooseKnuckles on October 23, 2014, 01:47:55 AM

Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 20, 2014, 11:02:19 AM
Regarding Ithaca, it's clear the team has taken a step back this season. That said, I'm not too impressed with the E8—outside of Fisher, who's looked dominant against everyone who doesn't run a triple option. I'm not 100% sure how Buff State is 5-1 right now, but then again, I wasn't sure how Ithaca was 8-1 at one point last year. This might just be the Bengals' year.

Still, the E8 is just strange this year. Hartwick barely moves the ball against IC and Fisher but lights up Salisbury? Frostbug looks like a non-entity on offense all year, but puts up 10 points in the 4th quarter against Ithaca and easily scores two TDs in overtime? Buffalo State needs a miracle to beat 2-4 Cortland, gets beat by a 3-3 Alfred, but controls their own destiny heading into the home stretch? Alfred may cough up 300 turnovers and finish .500?

   No disrespect to Garcia, but Utica transfer QB Billy Pine (who's kinda strange ) is the reason.

Hartwick put up 43, 40 and 34 points in their games outside of Fisher and Ithaca - with Garcia as the quarterback.

Salisbury has given up 32, 43, 32, 34, 19 and 49 this season.  The more likely reason is Salisbury's defense being the reason Hartwick moved the ball, not one single player.

   Are you writing that Pine couldn't have done that against those teams?  He's just as good at passing and a much better scrambler.  Got no problems with Garcia though.   Maybe Hartwick will find a way to use them both?

Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 20, 2014, 11:02:19 AM
Regarding Ithaca, it's clear the team has taken a step back this season. That said, I'm not too impressed with the E8—outside of Fisher, who's looked dominant against everyone who doesn't run a triple option. I'm not 100% sure how Buff State is 5-1 right now, but then again, I wasn't sure how Ithaca was 8-1 at one point last year. This might just be the Bengals' year.

Still, the E8 is just strange this year. Hartwick barely moves the ball against IC and Fisher but lights up Salisbury? Frostbug looks like a non-entity on offense all year, but puts up 10 points in the 4th quarter against Ithaca and easily scores two TDs in overtime? Buffalo State needs a miracle to beat 2-4 Cortland, gets beat by a 3-3 Alfred, but controls their own destiny heading into the home stretch? Alfred may cough up 300 turnovers and finish .500?

   No disrespect to Garcia, but Utica transfer QB Billy Pine (who's kinda strange ) is the reason.

Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on July 05, 2013, 12:53:27 PM

Quote from: MooseKnuckles on July 05, 2013, 12:34:30 PM
   Thanks all for the input on Utica.  I agree with "Utes"...would like to see graduation rates of only football players in 4-6 years.  Nevertheless, it appears Utica has some work to do in the Empire 8 "classroom".  Speaking of the Empire 8, I saw that Brockport will join in 2014.  How does that work?  Do they tell Frostburg or Salisbury to move along?  In that same vein, why does Cortland play in the NJAC?  I think the Empire 8 is considered one of the tougher DIII football conferences.  Cortland is usually tough as well and would fit right in.  I'm sure the idea of an all NY Empire 8 is enticing to many fans.  Many factors to consider with travel, costs, etc.  What about Hobart?  Have they ever shown an interest in joining?  What are you guys thoughts on an all NY Empire 8?

Welcome to the boards mooseknuckles.......

As far as the E8, I think Salisbury and Frostburg were always going to be looked at as temporary members.  And I don't think they would ever be asked to leave, they did the league a favor in the first place and are probably welcome to stay as long as they want.

Cortland will probably want to stay in the NJAC, as it is filled with similar schools, and I would also add that you don't want to have every league have all the great teams.  Balance is nice.

The all NY d3 league discussion has been beaten like 1000 dead horses, and will basically not happen.

Hobart isn't going anywhere, they are in a upstate league for the most part anyway.

   Lotsa Empire 8 changes happening...don't feel so bad for being a dead horse beater now.  So if Frostburg and Salisbury are out and Brockport, Cortland and Morrisville are in that makes nine.  Hobart should join the party.  What to name the new conference?  "The Not So Big 10", "The Empire X" (Yes...as in roman numeral), "The Upstate Association of 10"...anybody else?

Quote from: Bombers798891 on September 05, 2013, 05:03:13 PM
Random question to kill some time:

Would you prefer your favorite team have a great offense and lousy defense or an elite defense but weak offense?

   DEFENSE...no question.  You can"t see me but I'm waving a large "D" in one hand and a piece of fence in the other!

   Sorry sjfcards...I screwed up using the quote option.  I accidentally made it look like you asked that question.

   Alfred has a nice new face as well.  Looks like Dom Scavo of Hornell has left Ithaca and decided to become a Saxon.  Best of luck to him!

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on July 19, 2013, 01:08:05 PM
One point worth noting here, although it wouldn't totally offset the budget-balancing, is that adding football probably would increase male enrollment to some extent, possibly adding 50-100 more males than would otherwise attend school at Elmira.  I'm no expert on the ins and outs of Title IX, so take this with a grain of salt.

*Edited: I see that Bombers essentially already made this point.

   Misericordia (who added football last fall down in the MAC) calculated that football will increase each incoming class with about 100-125 males.  Prior to adding football the male/female ratio was around 30% boys and 70% girls.  First season was pretty rough (as you'd expect) but at least the players had plenty of sympathetic ladies to console them.

Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on July 05, 2013, 12:53:27 PM

Quote from: MooseKnuckles on July 05, 2013, 12:34:30 PM
   Thanks all for the input on Utica.  I agree with "Utes"...would like to see graduation rates of only football players in 4-6 years.  Nevertheless, it appears Utica has some work to do in the Empire 8 "classroom".  Speaking of the Empire 8, I saw that Brockport will join in 2014.  How does that work?  Do they tell Frostburg or Salisbury to move along?  In that same vein, why does Cortland play in the NJAC?  I think the Empire 8 is considered one of the tougher DIII football conferences.  Cortland is usually tough as well and would fit right in.  I'm sure the idea of an all NY Empire 8 is enticing to many fans.  Many factors to consider with travel, costs, etc.  What about Hobart?  Have they ever shown an interest in joining?  What are you guys thoughts on an all NY Empire 8?

Welcome to the boards mooseknuckles.......

As far as the E8, I think Salisbury and Frostburg were always going to be looked at as temporary members.  And I don't think they would ever be asked to leave, they did the league a favor in the first place and are probably welcome to stay as long as they want.

Cortland will probably want to stay in the NJAC, as it is filled with similar schools, and I would also add that you don't want to have every league have all the great teams.  Balance is nice.

The all NY d3 league discussion has been beaten like 1000 dead horses, and will basically not happen.

Hobart isn't going anywhere, they are in a upstate league for the most part anyway.

   That makes sense.  I guess it just seemed odd that Frostburg and Salisbury would choose the Empire 8 instead of some other conferences that are closer to them.  Thanks for the reply/replies.  Don't want to be known as a dead horse beater so I'll make an effort to us the "search" function in a more effective manner.

   Thanks all for the input on Utica.  I agree with "Utes"...would like to see graduation rates of only football players in 4-6 years.  Nevertheless, it appears Utica has some work to do in the Empire 8 "classroom".  Speaking of the Empire 8, I saw that Brockport will join in 2014.  How does that work?  Do they tell Frostburg or Salisbury to move along?  In that same vein, why does Cortland play in the NJAC?  I think the Empire 8 is considered one of the tougher DIII football conferences.  Cortland is usually tough as well and would fit right in.  I'm sure the idea of an all NY Empire 8 is enticing to many fans.  Many factors to consider with travel, costs, etc.  What about Hobart?  Have they ever shown an interest in joining?  What are you guys thoughts on an all NY Empire 8? 

Quote from: Bombers798891 on June 20, 2013, 04:30:43 PM

Quote from: pumkinattack on June 20, 2013, 01:02:56 PM

Probably going to be a hard fall for UC in general.

Look, if we can't endlessly debate Utica's arrival again this year, what's the point in anything anymore?

   Just a few questions...
1) We know losing Benkwitt will be rough for the offense.  How much more will it hurt the offense by having Penree and Fitzpatrick move on?
2) Blaise did a great job with SJF's defense.  Does it surprise anyone here that Utica's offense came along much faster than the defense?
3) Why hasn't Utica "arrived" yet?  Empire 8 too tough, lack of quality players, program still too young, etc?
   Some of you have an amazing amount of Empire 8 knowledge...any opinions?