Quote from: DBQ1965 on December 05, 2007, 10:00:30 PM
How did a guy with a name like Harry Smith end up at Central?  Or was his name Harry VanderSmith?

He came to party, of course.

That's Harry lying down in the front.

Quote from: HoosierinIowa on December 06, 2007, 11:23:52 AM
McMartin has been great but Central loses a ton of great players.

Next season is where the rubber hits the road for McMartin.  His recruits really start to enter the picture next fall.  Rich Kac's success declined severely after Schipper's recruiting prowess graduated.  Flux will be interesting indeed. 

Quote from: HoosierinIowa on December 05, 2007, 04:03:37 PM
I am really interested in seeing who Simpson hires. I didn't think JN was a great coach or that he was terrible. I assumed they had someone specific in mind to replace him when he was let go. Maybe one of the guys on staff or a unknown will be great.
To show what I know about hiring coaches everyone I knew (including me) thought Central settled when they got McMartin and he has been outstanding!

My Dad is a Wabash grad, and when I told him who Central hired he breathed a sigh of relief that McMartin was gone from DePauw (I think that the Dannies had won the Monon Bell a few times during his tenure as OC there).

I agree, though...after having Schipper as the only coach for as long as we did...I never thought a replacement would ever possibly fill those extremely huge shoes.  We'll see as McMartin continues on if he can continue to build on what has been an excellent start...and maybe one day become a legend as well.

Fingers crossed.

Quote from: DutchFan2004 on December 05, 2007, 12:34:06 PM

Quote from: doolittledog on December 04, 2007, 10:23:51 PM
DF2K4...sounds like your kid would make a great coach!!!

Well Doolittle that is his plan.  He is getting ready to apply for grad school and wants to get a GA position.

Central likes keeping old studs around to assist while working on said graduate degrees, as well.  I hope that that is a consideration on both sides.

Quote from: doolittledog on December 04, 2007, 06:32:20 PM
That would be 2003 where the Dutch went 5-5 and 2004 when they went 6-4.

Now...if you take out those 2 seasons when they went a combined 8-8 in the IIAC...in the last 2 seasons and the previous 5 before the 2003 and 2004 seasons Central  has gone 58-4 in conference play over those 7 years.  Expected. 

Fixed.

I know at Central the head coaches need to have master's degrees.  Is that conference wide as well?  A couple of added letters at the end of your name definitely helps your personal income.

I think that all of the head coaches also teach at Central.  I think that it's known as "wellness" now, instead of physical education, right?  Gotta love trying to keep up with the Jonses.

Quote from: DutchFan2004 on December 03, 2007, 01:08:11 PM
As far as needs go for next year the four that are mentioned do need to be replaced.  There are some kids there on campus that IMO can fill the shoes.  That being said I think that if there are some good recruits out there that they may feel that they can fill those shoes as well.  The defensive back field needs some help with the loss of Baethke, Doud, Baduex, Dierx, and LB's Altmeir (spelling) and Lehn.  There were also two D lineman graduation too.  Mulder and WillisThe recruiting wars are just heating up.  The few large sided victories the Dutch had gave them some PT for the younger players as well.  The one thing that the Dutch do have to look forward to is that they have been here in this position before.  They had just come off of a 5-5 and a 6-4 season when this group of seniors were sophomores.  Out of that season they produced a 9-1 regular season 9-2 overall and tie for IIAC crown.  They went on to a 20-0 regular season and a 2-2 playoff record.  So for a team with so many questions as that to fill in when they started after two down years lets hope after the 31-4 record they turned in three years the next class can continue on.   

I have to say that this is one of the first times in recent memory that I actually believe the bold statement above.  Those 5-5 and 6-4 seasons really had me scared for the program (unacceptable to many alums).  No offense to anyone that played on those teams...it's just something that we old folks weren't used to...therefore we'll forever refuse to accept it as a possibility.

Now...if you'll excuse me...I have to go and watch Matlock.

I have confidence that this year's seniors will put the pressure on next year's upper classmen to not accept anything but perfection again.  I know that I'd hate to be a part of the team that breaks the current "streak."

GO DUTCH!

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Quote from: Walston Hoover on December 02, 2007, 12:45:29 PM
Fred Jackson and Coe College getting some love on Fox NFL Sunday. They talked about them for a good 15 seconds. Jay Glazer called Fred Coe's most famous alum which the host took offense to because he is a Coe alum. Then they talked about Levy. Never brought up Bender.

Bender didn't play in the IIAC.  No offense to Coe, but there were defenses in the IIAC that would have been excited to have a shot at him, and I think that he would have had a less than stellar career...had he been facing early 90s Simpson, Wartburg, and Central.  Again...no offense, but Grinnell was really more focused on their relays during those years.

Bender played at Coe from 1991-1994.  During that time he had a 6-2 record against the Iowa Conference Schools with wins coming three times over Wartburg, twice over William Penn and once over Upper Iowa.  Their two losses were to Simpson in 1991 and Wartburg in 1994.  Playoff teams in those years were 1991 Simpson, 1993 Wartburg and 1994 Wartburg, so they beat a 1993 Wartburg playoff team.

I'd say Carey Bender would have done just fine in the Iowa Conference.

You might as well throw out the wins over William Penn and UIU because that's like bragging about beating Cornell today.  That would leave Coe at 3-2 vs. real teams.  Not saying anything about Bender himself, but the W-L record just got a lot less impressive.

All I know is the Central angle, and I know for a fact that the Central D wanted a crack at him, badly. Actually mentioning Carey Bender was treated as a severe insult...Kac almost punched me out a few times when I was giving him crap about Bender.  One of those hypothetical wishes, I guess.

Offensively, Central felt we had the best RB in d3 with Mark Kacmarynski, but Kac sat for the 2nd half of most games during that time period.  He'd rack up over a 100 yards (sometimes 200) in the first half, and then sit for the second half.  I know that if he'd played 4 quarters of every game those years...Bender may not have been so far above the pack the way he was.

Bender was great, but damn...it sure would've been great to see him go up against the Dutch.

Bringing up that 1993 Wartburg team is where all of my animosity toward the Knights began.  They played Central tough, and close that year, and a Central DB slipped on one play that turned out to be the one huge play to Wartburg on top late in the game.  It seemed like a total fluke...and I was in shock.  Ever since then...Wartburg has done nothing but build confidence.  I will forever hate that confidence...because it seemed to all begin from a gift from mother nature (if I remember correctly...the weather in Waverly was pretty much like this past Saturday on that day).

So, Knight fans...that's where the distaste for your program comes from for me (anyway).  It's nothing personal to any of you, but that game still makes my stomach turn...whenever I see one of you guys post.  I really used to hate Simpson, too, but ever since that day...damn the Knights.

Actually a good question (maybe?).  Is there one instance, game, play, etc. that changes your opinion about another team in the IIAC?  It might be kind of interesting, actually.  I know that a lot of you have some fantastic, vivid memories.

Quote from: Walston Hoover on December 02, 2007, 12:45:29 PM
Fred Jackson and Coe College getting some love on Fox NFL Sunday. They talked about them for a good 15 seconds. Jay Glazer called Fred Coe's most famous alum which the host took offense to because he is a Coe alum. Then they talked about Levy. Never brought up Bender.

Bender didn't play in the IIAC.  No offense to Coe, but there were defenses in the IIAC that would have been excited to have a shot at him, and I think that he would have had a less than stellar career...had he been facing early 90s Simpson, Wartburg, and Central.  Again...no offense, but Grinnell was really more focused on their relays during those years.

The wife and I sat and watched Freddy today.  He was overshadowed greatley with the Sean Taylor incident, but was a highlight, IMO.

Funny, Mrs. OldBeake asked, "why are we watching this game, again?"

"The Coe kid." I responded.

"I love 22!" she exclaimed.

Yup...I've turned her to the dark side.

So....when's the turkey shoot?  Do they still do that?

Great season, Bethel.  You definitely proved that you knew how to play on days like today.  Hopefully this serves as a learning experience for Central, and days like today won't be such a scary thing in the future.

Sorry fellow IIAC fans for not carrying the torch further for us.  It sure sounded like the Dutch gave it all they could, and fell to the better team.

Back to business...you know...like making fun of Wartburg Fan's kid for never playing a playoff game in his career (j/k).

Time to re-load, Dutch!

OK...Bethel moving well...now the Dutch D finally woke up...3 and 9 now.

Strong static here, too.

Quote from: GoldandBlueBU on December 01, 2007, 01:13:01 PM

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Quote from: criswyly on December 01, 2007, 12:54:35 PM
Any possibility of a cancellation?

I'm still waiting to hear.  The have lights now, I hear...so time shouldn't be a factor.

let us know when you find out.

Will do.  One of the Dutch radio guys is providing updates on the IIAC board, too.

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Quote from: Airborne Dutch on December 01, 2007, 12:54:43 PM
Aargh. Gonna be a late night for me.

We've just been told that the game has been bumped another half hour, so start time is now 1:30 Central.

What are the chances of the game being cancelled?