Mount had tough time running the ball at Wilmington.  Look at NCAA stats.  Tougher to run it there than against any other team this year.  Was not just because BJ got hurt.

It depends on where you look.  I looked at the Average NET price on college navigator which puts out statistics for all colleges across the nation.  I think it is based on data colleges/universities are required to submit to US govt.  Most recent data available is for 2012-13 as 2013-14 data not yet available.  ONU is, on average, $78 less than JCU.  ONU did restructure tuition amounts effective this school year, but they also reduced the scholarship amounts proportionately.  In any case, splitting hairs.

http://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/

Have great respect for Dean Paul & staff.   Top shelf.   ONU sits in middle of cornfield - miles from anything more than a feedmill and a small town McDonalds.  In addition, ONU has the highest academic admissions standard in OAC -- ACT middle 50% between 23 and 29, compared to low - Muskingham, where middle 50% is between 18-24.  ONU cost highest in OAC and significantly higher than many OAC schools.  With D3 academic-only Scholarships - Pretty tough to find a large number of really smart kids with lots of money who want to live in a cornfield for 4 years.  Granted - not an all guys school - but still a VERY tough pitch.

At WW -  Abundance of talented athletes who can attend very inexpensive school where everyone is not required to be a rich brainiac.  Dean Paul  - very good fit if character and development really matter.   

Taynor - surprised to see on list - does not project to have D3 "traits"  - will leave at that.

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/football/uw-whitewater-coach-ex-griz-pease-interested-in-um-football/article_98abe987-2bff-551c-8f7b-929fa1817cf6.html

LL - maybe Montana?  Posted a few days ago on West boards....

D2/D3 scenario varies by state.  Other than Central State, all Ohio D2's are private.  PA D2 schools are primarily public with maybe 3 private schools.  Publics tend to have larger enrollment and offer more degree options.   I would expect PA kids to choose D2 over D3, whenever possible.  More options, cheaper tuition, prestige of *scholarship*.  But in Ohio,  D2 schools are fairly limited in degree offerings and quality of degree programs, with much stronger academic programs/majors at the D3 level.  For the same reason that students in PA may make the choice to attend D2 for educational reasons, if parents look at educational options (and football programs) in Ohio when comparing D2 to D3, the D3's as a whole would win hands down.  D2 talent that lands in D3 Ohio schools happen primarily for kids whose parents can afford the higher D3 costs and because parents can see the value of a D3 education over what is offered at D2 schools.  Crazy as it sounds, I think the D2 level in Ohio provides an option for kids who are not D1, but can't afford D3.

The ONLY upside to a DII is if they beat Mount -- which they won't.  An actual loss to Mount is worse than a speculated loss to Mount.  An actual loss means your D2 schools real estate most definitely just went down.   The question is - how much?  The impact may be that the defeated D2 just takes a lesser position among D2's. 

As it goes, the allure of D2 status, signing for a scholarship, and having cheaper college expenses draws kids in to D2's.  Do not kid yourself in thinking the costs may be equivalent -- unless you have a 32 and up on ACT,  are a talented artist or musician that qualifies for one of a D3's unique grant opportunities, or are VERY low income  -  D3 will still be a lot more expensive than D2.  A serious D2 freshman recruit can attend a D2 school for under 5-12k a year, middle range recruit will pay up to 18k.   Low end recruits and practice players brought in to boost the D2 teams GPA or subsidize the schools general funds may pay close to D3 amounts - but, I would assert that many of these guys are D3 players to begin with.   Give a kid a couple thousand  so they can say they have a football scholarship goes a long way with some people and then the school gets a student for at least a year at just a bit lower than the average tuition seems like a win-win.  It comes down to money and egos.

http://www.news-herald.com/sports/20140903/college-football-area-players-and-games-to-watch-in-2014

See last line in this article about hand injury.

Heard that Namdar was at QB when 2nd team O was in ?

Does anyone know names of the freshman who were pulled up so far?

Two more dropped off roster.  Jeffrey Jurgenmeister (RB)-Nevada and Brian May (OL)-PA

Seth Gibbs, OL, Newton Falls

IGNORE THE DATES ON SECOND LIST - THOSE ARE ACTUALLY HEIGHTS THAT GOT CONVERTED ON SPREADSHEET TO date FORMATS

Here's the guys who were on original "list" but did not show up at camp---

Dwayne Aaron Lakewood, OH RB
Joe Adams Lakewood, OH DL
Parker Berzin Gates Mills, OH LB
Cody Carr Brookville, OH OL
Kelson Gauden Clarksville, OH LB
Seth Gibbs Newton Falls, OH C
John Hendricks Plant City, FL DE
Dakarai Highsmith Tampa, FL RB
Dangelo James Akron, OH LB
Dvontae Kelly Tracey, CA RB
Garrett Long Mechanicsburg, PA K
Demetrius Magee Rochester Hills, MI WR
Ben Morgan Ravenna, OH K
Kordelle Phillips Alliance, OH QB
Alex Richardson Bloomington, IH CB
Chandler Samargia Warren, OH LB
Calvin Short Jacksonville, FL DB
Kyler Shurlow Lowel, MI QB
Jake Vormelker Orwell, OH QB

and here are the new guys that showed at camp that were  not on original list ---

Alix Celeste   DB   Fr.   8-May   175   Apopka, Fla./Lake Brantley
Austin Downie   K   Fr.   3-Jun   175   Satellite Beach, Fla./Satelitte
Devin Faloon   RB   Fr.   10-May   250   Pittsburgh, Pa./Pittsburgh Central Catholic
Andrew Fee   K   Fr.   Jun-00   223   Walled Lake, Mich./Walled Lake Northern
Ryan Fitzpatrick   LB   Fr.   10-May   205   Pittsburgh, Pa./Shaler Area
Jeff Foreman   DB   Fr.   9-May   210   West Mifflin, Pa./West Mifflin
Mike Grimaldi   DB   Fr.   6-May   180   Ronkonkoma, N.Y./Connetquot
Austin Lockett   RB   Fr.   9-May   190   Townsend, Del./Newark (Del.)
David Martin   OL   Fr.   Jun-00   265   Cape Coral, Fla./Cape Coral
Parrish Martin   WR   Fr.   9-May   165   Alliance/Alliance
Curtis Nixon   WR   Fr.   2-Jun   195   Woodsfield/Monroe Central
Solomon Obidiegwu   WR   Fr.   1-Jun   185   Naples, Fla./St. John Neumann
Pete Patsalis   WR   Fr.   Jun-00   195   East China Twp., Mich./Marine City
Tahir Prophet   RB   Fr.   8-May   155   Stockbridge, Ga./Mundy's Mills
Michael Rodriguez   LB   Fr.   1-Jun   200   New Castle, Pa./Neshannock
AJ Scott                  DL   Fr.   10-May   240   Norwalk/Norwalk
Mike Vidal                  DL   Fr.   3-Jun   240   Miami, Fla./Ronald Reagan Doral Senior
Kenny Wilder   DB   Fr.   1-Jun   205   Medina/Medina

But, what does the depth look like on the line(s)...  ?

 Dvontae Kelly                Tracey,     CA    RB
Andrew Tarantino                Newtown,     CT    QB
Octavion Wilson                Lincoln,     DE    WR
Tristan Petrone                Cooper City,     FL    CB
Gabriel Brown                Plant City,     FL    DB
Calvin Short                Jacksonville,     FL    DB
John  Hendricks                Plant City,     FL    DE
Bradley  Clapsaddle                Jacksonville,     FL    DT
Keith Rohde                Lutz,     FL    LB
Josh Schulte                Port Charlotte,     FL    LB
Marc Blanc                Coral Springs,     FL    LB/DE
Trent Giddings                Wesley Chapel,     FL    LS
Tylor Dimond                Naples,     FL    QB
Dakarai Highsmith                Tampa,     FL    RB
Dillon Zettwuch                Tarpon Springs,     FL    TE
Hassan Gilliam                Coral Springs,     FL    WR
Michael Irizarry                Fort Lauderdale,     Florida    OL
Shawn Bartlett                McDonough,     GA    DB
Alex Richardson                Bloomington,     IH    CB
Alex Bartkus                Fort Wayne,     IN    DB
Niko Kilburg                Valpraiso,     IN    TE
Jared Ruth                Indianapolis,     IN    WR
Jalen McGill                Beltsville,     MD    WR
Troy  Thomas                Walled Lake,     MI    DE
Matt  Doherty                Henderson,     MI    DT
Kyler Shurlow                Lowel,     MI    QB
Collin Calloway                Kentwood,     MI    WR
Demetrius Magee                Rochester Hills,     MI    WR
Cole Parrish                Creedmoor,     NC    OL
Brenton Jones                Catawba,     NC    WR
Tyler Smalls                Farmingdale,     NJ    WR
Jeff Jurgensmeier                Sparks,     NV    RB
Solomon  White                Ossining,     NY    RB
Billy Kaastra                Mastic Beach,     NY    S
Mike Cymbal                Kirtland,     OH    C
Seth Gibbs                Newton Falls,     OH    C
Kollyn Crenshaw                Solon,     OH    CB
Brian Groves                Stow,     OH    DB
Lane  Breyer                Springboro,     OH    DE
Corey  Spicer                Kent,     OH    DE
Elijah Berry                Dublin,     OH    DE/DT
Berry  Grant                Sylvania,     OH    DT
Kyle Kostoff                Cincinnati,     OH    K
Ben Morgan                Ravenna,     OH    K
Blake Alberts                Maumee,     OH    LB
Matt Beech                Stow,     OH    LB
Parker Berzin                Gates Mills,     OH    LB
Ryan Drew                Greenville,     OH    LB
Sam Gambatese                Chagrin Falls,     OH    LB
Kelson  Gauden                Clarksville,     OH    LB
Dangelo James                Akron,     OH    LB
Chandler Samargia                Warren,     OH    LB
Jackson Schultz                Canal Fulton,     OH    LB
Cody Carr                Brookville,     OH    OL
Matt Fitchet                Conneaut,     OH    OL
Chris Golian                Parma Heights,     OH    OL
Noah Graves                Bucyrus,     OH    OL
Dakarai Johnson                Euclid,     OH    OL
Eric Leichliter                Lebanon,     OH    OL
Michael Unckrich                Alliance,     OH    OL
Matt Zolcak                Mentor,     OH    OL
Tyler Boatwright                Mansfield,     OH    QB
Maxx Brubaker                Painesville,     OH    QB
Collin Gilbert                New Waterford,     OH    QB
Kordelle Phillips                Alliance,     OH    QB
Stephen Shorts                Lyndhurst,     OH    QB
Jake Vormelker                Orwell,     OH    QB
Dwayne Aaron                Lakewood,     OH    RB
Jamal Johnson                New Philadelphia,     OH    RB
Angelo Lombardo                Kenton,     OH    RB
Fred Maxey                Garrettsville,     OH    TE
Andy  Rieman                Mount Vernon,     OH    TE
Eric Zelina                Whitehouse,     OH    TE
Andrew Bonfiglio                Toledo,     OH    WR
Jacob Bostic                Green,     OH    WR
Greg Briggs                Danville,     OH    WR
Brandon Cloud                Bedford Height,     OH    WR
Zach Comer                Greenville,     OH    WR
Braeden Friss                Avon,     OH    WR
Billy Gannon                North Ridgeville,     OH    WR
Brian Bindernagel                Chagrin Falls,     OH    WR/TE
Stoney Epling                Norton,     OH    WR/TE
Tyler Balla                New Kensington,     PA    DB
Miguel  Quinones                Glenolden,     PA    DE
Garrett Long                Mechanicsburg,     PA    K
John Jefferson                Ambler,     PA    OL
Brian May                Erie,     PA    OL
Jon Shelton                Russell,     PA    OL
Terrence Stanton                Pitsburgh,     PA    OL
David Burkes                New Castle,     PA    QB
Eliot Nero                Hookstown,     PA    RB
Zack Tinsley                North Huntington,     PA    RB
Joey Hoffner                Manor,     PA    WR
Chase Rinehart                Hilton Head Island,     SC    LB
Ben Gilson                Colorado,     Springs    QB
Zach Voss                Polaski,     TN    LB
Nick Gee                Prosper,     TX    OL
Jonathan Konz                Rhinelander,     WI    QB
Joe Adams                Lakewood,    OH    DL
Jacob Alston                Butler,    PA    DB