Kalamazoo wins by 1 after being down 5 with 9 seconds left. 58-57.

Kalamazoo did have the same number of players try 3 pointers as Calvin.  Both teams had 7 players attempt a 3.  Calvin shot 11 more 3s.  Josh Miller was 12-14 because 3 foot shots are underrated in a league where most teams live and die by the 3.

Quote from: shknowsbest on December 03, 2016, 03:49:44 PM
Is Dickerson hurt at Kzoo, I haven't seen his name in the box scores this year?

Academics are keeping him out.  I think he is eligible soon.

Kalamazoo over Manchester. 76-67.  Kzoo shot 50 percent from the field. 80 percent from the line. Too many turnovers. Tommy Cernan and Roger Hood had really good games. If kzoo can cut down on the turnovers they will be tough this year in conference.

Kalamazoo up 39-36 over Manchester at the half.  Good game.  Kzoo playing with a lot of energy.

Stinger,

Generically speaking you might be correct about the "kids these days" but I think you would feel differently if you met many of the young men on this team.  Bottom line is that Dougal lost several of them during the course of the year.  My son has played for a lot of coaches through high school, aau, etc.  They had a wide variety of temperaments and styles of coaching.   He has always led by example and never had any cause to do anything but be the best teammate possible.  When it became clear to him (whether it was true or not) that Dougal has lost the team and lost his respect, he didn't make a spectacle.  He simply told the coach that he wasn't going to play anymore. Basketball does not define his identity.  He met with Dougal.  He gave him specific written examples (about a page and half) of why he was leaving the team.  Dougal did what any coach would do and move on.  No issues there.  My son didn't consult me or his mother before leaving the team.  We knew he didn't like the approach that Dougal was taking but that was the extent.  He made a decision like an adult and I am proud that he did.  He is in the top 10% of the class at Kalamazoo taking one of the hardest majors (chemistry).  He volunteers at the local hospital and it is my opinion (albeit biased) that the last thing you would call him is a typical immature, self centered millennial.  Throughout the course of the year Dougal enlisted several other to try to get him back on the team.  Dougal never bothered to speak with him directly about it. His mother and I have not spoken to the coach or anyone in the athletic department at Kzoo (and we don't need to).   I don't know if he will play at Kalamazoo under whoever the new coach happens to be.  I do know it will be his decision and I hope for the rest of the team that they do well.  We will be rooting for them.

Quote from: Stinger on April 28, 2016, 02:19:35 PM

Quote from: kzoo99 on April 28, 2016, 11:17:12 AM
A little insight for what it's worth...  Dougal lost this team during the past offseason and early into the latest season.    He brought in a number transfers and signed some good players who were not academically ready for Kalamazoo.   He failed to make it clear what the plan was.  He tried to implement a higher paced offense but their defense suffered from how it was implemented.  Players talked of very long film sessions (3 hours to review 9 minutes of game time).   The "academic" scholarships to some of these players were part of the reason for the NCAA sanctions.   It wasn't well publicized but one player left the team early in the season due to a conflict with Dougal, another was removed from the team for a few games for insubordination, a few freshmen were sat down for a few games for conduct violations, the substitution patterns during the games became more and more random as the year went on and he looked to stabilize a team where a lot of the players did not want to play for him.  As a parent of one of the players (in case that wasn't obvious), I liked Dougal when I met him but it became clear at the start of this year that he did not have a vision for what the identity of the team would be and how he would get them there.

Here is an excerpt from an email from Kalamazoo

"We have determined that six teams will not be repackaged and the students and coaches have been informed of our decisions.

The following teams will NOT be repackaged:
Women's Volleyball
Women's Lacrosse
Women's Basketball
Women's Softball
Men's Football
Men's Basketball

All of the students on the non-repackaged teams will keep their current financial aid awards. The teams listed above will not be eligible for postseason play and championship consideration as long as anyone on the roster has financial aid that was awarded through a process not compliant with NCAA rules.

By the 2018/19 academic year, we anticipate Women's Basketball, Women's Softball, Men's Football and Men's Basketball will be eligible. In the fall, we will reevaluate Women's Lacrosse and Women's Volleyball's eligibility for the 2017/18 academic year. "

I think Coach Dougal is a great guy and have always enjoyed my interactions with him.  I wish him all the best.

Kzoo99, your insight sounds like immature kids who can't take the heat.  One, admissions is the ultimate decision maker on who is academically ready for K.  Second, Coach has every right to sit kids for "insubordination" or conduct violations. It's called accountability. I don't want to get into a rant about "kids these days' , but damn.   

That said, 3 wins is unacceptable.  The lack of success since Coach Haklin is unacceptable.  Being a coach at K is a tough job.  Smokin' Joe showed you can compete and win.   It takes tenacious recruiting and it's not for everyone.  K needs classes with 1-2  very good players surrounded by a secondary group where 1-2 might emerge as productive players.  K needs to hire someone that is going to work tirelessly to find them.  I don't know if Coach Dougal did that or not.  But only bringing in 4 kids in a class won't cut it. 

I'm realistic.  I know that K isn't going to win the MIAA every year. But getting into the MIAA tournament should absolutely be a standard and every couple years, you never know.....

A little insight for what it's worth...  Dougal lost this team during the past offseason and early into the latest season.    He brought in a number transfers and signed some good players who were not academically ready for Kalamazoo.   He failed to make it clear what the plan was.  He tried to implement a higher paced offense but their defense suffered from how it was implemented.  Players talked of very long film sessions (3 hours to review 9 minutes of game time).   The "academic" scholarships to some of these players were part of the reason for the NCAA sanctions.   It wasn't well publicized but one player left the team early in the season due to a conflict with Dougal, another was removed from the team for a few games for insubordination, a few freshmen were sat down for a few games for conduct violations, the substitution patterns during the games became more and more random as the year went on and he looked to stabilize a team where a lot of the players did not want to play for him.  As a parent of one of the players (in case that wasn't obvious), I liked Dougal when I met him but it became clear at the start of this year that he did not have a vision for what the identity of the team would be and how he would get them there.

Here is an excerpt from an email from Kalamazoo

"We have determined that six teams will not be repackaged and the students and coaches have been informed of our decisions.

The following teams will NOT be repackaged:
Women's Volleyball
Women's Lacrosse
Women's Basketball
Women's Softball
Men's Football
Men's Basketball

All of the students on the non-repackaged teams will keep their current financial aid awards. The teams listed above will not be eligible for postseason play and championship consideration as long as anyone on the roster has financial aid that was awarded through a process not compliant with NCAA rules.

By the 2018/19 academic year, we anticipate Women's Basketball, Women's Softball, Men's Football and Men's Basketball will be eligible. In the fall, we will reevaluate Women's Lacrosse and Women's Volleyball's eligibility for the 2017/18 academic year. "

Quote from: sac on April 28, 2016, 10:37:41 AM
Press release
http://hornets.kzoo.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20160427sxig2i


The Eric Dougal file

2013  8-17
2014  10-15
2015  7-18
2016  3-22

Slipped by me but this years 3 wins were the fewest for Kalamazoo since 1944 when they went 2-7 in the war years.  This years Kzoo squad wasn't very good, yet were oddly very competitive against Alma twice and Hope once.   Of all the MIAA teams I've watched Kzoo the least the last 4 or 5 years by a wide margin so I have no good feel Dougal's coaching or the direction Kzoo was going other than the records above.  But I felt like Eric had made a couple recruiting breakthroughs the last couple years.

Kzoo has now had 13 consecutive losing seasons and cracked double-digit wins just once in those years while also finishing in the MIAA's top 4 just once.  At the moment the 6 programs above them are better and getting better so the next coach is going to be paddling upstream against a rising current.

I've always maintained Kzoo is really good job but a very tough one and looks even tougher now than it did 4 or 5 years ago.  I don't know all the details of Kzoo's NCAA sanctions but hiring a coach under those conditions doesn't seem ideal.

Kzoo loses only 2 off this years roster with a predominantly upper class rotation.  They should be better next year regardless of the coach but it still feels like a big gap to the 6 schools above them right now.




side note:   I got my first look at Kzoo's athletic field improvements yesterday since they finished them a couple years ago and they're really very nicely done.  First class.   (security is a bit lite though )

Coach Dougal is no longer at Kalamazoo.  No announcement on the replacement.  There was a lot of turmoil under the surface.  It will be interesting to see who comes in to take his place.

Saw the Kzoo game last night versus Oberlin.  Some encouraging things...  Kalamazoo had pressure on the ball all game.  They only committed 8 turnovers.  Shot over 40% from 3.  Scored over 80 (rare occurrence last year).  Too many fouls was their undoing.  Oberlin won the game on the free throw line.  The game was called very tight.   I think 5 or 6 players fouled out between the teams.  If Kzoo can cut back on the fouls, they will be a tough out.  It was a fun game to watch.  Both teams pushed the tempo.

Someone asked if Tommy Cervan was the same as the player from Olivet. The answer is yes.  He had four assists but three turnovers. 

Kalamazoo Schedule - A trip to San Antonio.  First time through the conference, road games at Trine, Albion, Calvin & Hope in a five week stretch.   Obviously, it is flipped second time through but still a tough stretch for games 2-7 in the conference.

http://hornets.kzoo.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule

http://hornets.kzoo.edu/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/201505188sin5c

Kalamazoo commits.   All guards but that is their biggest need with three good bigs returning (Miller, Hugan, and Paprocki)

Albion - 4
Hope - 3
Kalamazoo - 2
Calvin - 1

Quote from: TUAngola on February 14, 2015, 09:06:04 AM

Quote from: kzoo99 on February 13, 2015, 09:49:44 PM

Quote from: TUAngola on February 13, 2015, 09:29:07 PM

Quote from: kzoo99 on February 13, 2015, 09:22:38 PM

Quote from: Dark Knight on February 13, 2015, 02:00:54 PM
Trine fun facts:

W/L at home: 9-1 (6-0 in conference)
W/L away: 4-6 (2-3 in conference)

Massey power in home MIAA games: 11.3
Massey power in away MIAA games: -3.6

(i.e. avg Massey power of opponents + avg margin of victory)

Doubt it means much but.....

A few players from Kalamazoo said the two rims at Trine at very different (one is very forgiving, the other is like concrete).  The home team shoots at the easier rim in the second half.

Uh-oh...."rimgate" 

Trine shot 38% in the first half against Kalamazoo and 76% in the second half.  Kzoo went from 48% to 44% - i haven't looked at those stats for all of their home games but maybe an observer at their next home game will report how forgiving each of these rims appear.

I've been to every home MIAA game this year at Trine and haven't noticed anything abnormal about how the balls come off the rim on either end.  In the Kalamazoo game Trine just shot lights out in the 2nd half, especially Dixon with many of his shots from 20+ feet with guys in his face.  In the game before that against Adrian, as I recall Adrian lit it up in the 2nd half against us with that supposedly tight rim.

With Hershey's quirky north end of the gym, with the open mezzanine looking down on the court and glare from the natural light coming in from the upper entry doors on day games, I would think as a player the sight lines would make it more difficult to shoot at that end than at the south end.  Frankly I don't see how anyone shoots well in Hershey because the gym lighting is so bad...does anyone else think it is dim in there?  My eyesight isn't as good as it used to be however...I am an old man you know. 

Out of curiosity I looked at the home half splits for Trine.  No obvious trends.  As TUAngola pointed out, they just shot lights out.  I will say that was the first game I saw at Trine.  The layout is unique and they certainly have thrived there this year.

Quote from: TUAngola on February 13, 2015, 09:29:07 PM

Quote from: kzoo99 on February 13, 2015, 09:22:38 PM

Quote from: Dark Knight on February 13, 2015, 02:00:54 PM
Trine fun facts:

W/L at home: 9-1 (6-0 in conference)
W/L away: 4-6 (2-3 in conference)

Massey power in home MIAA games: 11.3
Massey power in away MIAA games: -3.6

(i.e. avg Massey power of opponents + avg margin of victory)

Doubt it means much but.....

A few players from Kalamazoo said the two rims at Trine at very different (one is very forgiving, the other is like concrete).  The home team shoots at the easier rim in the second half.

Uh-oh...."rimgate" 

Trine shot 38% in the first half against Kalamazoo and 76% in the second half.  Kzoo went from 48% to 44% - i haven't looked at those stats for all of their home games but maybe an observer at their next home game will report how forgiving each of these rims appear.

Quote from: Dark Knight on February 13, 2015, 02:00:54 PM
Trine fun facts:

W/L at home: 9-1 (6-0 in conference)
W/L away: 4-6 (2-3 in conference)

Massey power in home MIAA games: 11.3
Massey power in away MIAA games: -3.6

(i.e. avg Massey power of opponents + avg margin of victory)

Doubt it means much but.....

A few players from Kalamazoo said the two rims at Trine at very different (one is very forgiving, the other is like concrete).  The home team shoots at the easier rim in the second half.