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Quote from: MiacMan on September 05, 2018, 10:20:23 AM
Wow, no love for Bethel at all, while Simpson gets a vote?

Yeah, a little unexpected, but I'll let the people involved in those votes explain.....if they feel inclined.

For me, until they beat the Johnnies in their schedule in week 5, or other teams already in this poll lose two games, I probably won't be giving any love to my alma mater. It's just way too early in my opinion.

True, but I get his point though. Bethel loses its only vote to Simpson, even though Bethel just beat Simpson. That seems odd in a vacuum, but I'm sure the voters had other teams in mind when adding Simpson and dropping Bethel.

All legit points.  Did not even consider Bethel and I should have.  I'll own that.

It's so early in the year and so much is unknown/unproven, votes for nine and ten can seem a little bit like banging your head against a brick wall.

Hickory Husker,

Must have been the same time that Chicago and Macalester left the conference as well.   

Quote from: scottyeagle93 on October 18, 2017, 04:35:31 PM
Lake Forest has played a terrible schedule so far.  Their best win so far was against Macalester, and they struggled to beat Beloit, Carleton, and Knox.  I've seen both Lake Forest and Monmouth play, and Monmouth looked far more impressive even with players injured.  Yes, they lost to Wartburg by a hefty margin, but their win over Hope and a road win against Mac are more impressive than anything Lake Forest has done to date.  Of course, they play in a week and a half, so that'll settle this debate.

I think Monmouth will beat Lake Forest.  Then it's a question of how healthy they can stay and how well they can play championship weak and potentially the first round of playoffs.  They have the potential to compete for a top ten spot, but we'll have to wait and see if they can actually get it done.

Quote from: BigRedScots on October 04, 2017, 01:48:10 PM
Don't count out Monmouth. They have been banged up to start the season and are starting to get healthy. Had a few d-linemen and O-linemen out vs wartburg and hope. Starting to get healthy. Held Macalester to -14 yards rushing and Lawerence to 49 total yards in their last two games. Defense finished #1 in the nation last year and is close to full strength again. Still missing the big horse in #2. Should be back soon hopefully.

Agreed!  Monmouth's D-Line, when completely healthy, is as good as I've seen in D3.  That makes their defense really tough.  To me their biggest question mark is at QB and on offense.  Their offense this year is not at the same level as last year's squad.

Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 26, 2016, 09:40:53 AM
I'd love to hear the justification from whoever had St John's at #9.
I'm not sure they should be lower than #9 in the country, much less regional.

Based on St. John's performance against St. Thomas, at home, they are the third best MIAC team if you compare that to Concordia's performance against St. Thomas, at home.  I don't think that the second, or third for that matter, best MIAC teams are better than the top three WIAC teams just based on the fact that the WIAC has tougher schedules.  Also, I'm not going to put St. John's ahead of Linfield (Reputation) or Coe (UNDEFEATED) so that's how St. John's ends up 8 in my poll this week.  Probably shouldn't have had them at 9 last week, that was an oversight on my part, but I can't see them any higher than 8 until they show us something against a quality opponent...or someone above them lays an egg.

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Quote from: fulbakdad on October 24, 2016, 02:37:38 PM
Scottie,

When my son got to Lake Forest in 2011, his first year they had 61 players show up at camp and went 3-7.  3-7 was better than the 3 prior years!.  The next three years they went 8-2, 8-2, 4-6.  Roster in the 100 area.  Respectable considering their history.  Another 4-6 year last year and now back up to 6-2 so far this year.  So would I expect a couple close games here and there? Yup.  Do I think they are on the right track?  Yup.  Sophomore QB starting to play with more confidence, young players getting reps on Defense.  Recruiting much better than past. 

Guess we'll just see how they do in the future....

Valdivia leaving after this year will obviously hurt a lot.  Mac is still trying to figure out how to replace Bialostok.

Valdivia may not leave after this year.  Sounds like he has one more year of eligibility left.

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Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2016, 04:59:39 PM
I'm sure an assistant runs the team Twitter account, and I would be surprised if Gene really *reads* the boards. You don't have to read the board to write a joke about trolling!

I'd bet Caruso runs the account, without a doubt.

I would be really surprised. Not his style.

Wow!  Really?

Seriously Pat?  How much is UST paying you?

You kind of prove my point. Posting on a message board or posting on Twitter is something an assistant coach would do, for sure, rather than the head coach.

And you kind of prove my point.  That is correct, for MOST programs...probably not the case for GC's program.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2016, 11:52:34 AM

Quote from: wm4 on September 30, 2016, 10:24:09 AM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2016, 04:59:39 PM
I'm sure an assistant runs the team Twitter account, and I would be surprised if Gene really *reads* the boards. You don't have to read the board to write a joke about trolling!

I'd bet Caruso runs the account, without a doubt.

I would be really surprised. Not his style.

Wow!  Really?

Seriously Pat?  How much is UST paying you?

Quote from: scottyeagle93 on September 28, 2016, 04:20:33 PM

Quote from: judgetrainer on September 28, 2016, 02:24:38 PM
So, is it again Monmouth versus St Norbert for the title?

I would like to see how Lake Forest games versus SNC and Mac play out.  SNC lost their two non-conference games against quality opponents then trounced Knox.  Not exactly a great indicator of their strength.  Meanwhile, Mac has their QB situation figured out and has Lake Forest as their toughest game before SNC the last week of the year.  They somehow miss out on playing Monmouth (who should be considered the favorite) for the third year in a row so that last week of the season should be interesting as we may be looking at a tiebreaker

scottyeagle,

How have you been?  What are you up to these days?

Have you been studying to become a psychic?  We shall see in the weeks to come.  Mac still has a lot of work to do...Ripon this week will be a good measuring stick for the Scots!

So you are saying it could come down to a Scots tiebreaker?  I like where your head is at.

#Unfinished Business

Thanks for that link fulbakdad.  Great job Foresters on a great tribute on what was probably a great, but emotional, day at Lake Forest.

Big week this week for the MWC and it's non-conference schedules.  Some great opportunities to make some strides in terms of conference reputation and maybe help out the seeding for the AQ in November...IC vs Simpson, Lake Forest vs Carleton, Monmouth vs Wartburg, Ripon vs La Crosse, Macalester vs Hamline, Cornell vs Coe.  These are all opponents from higher ranked conferences. 

Good luck to all!

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Quote from: judgetrainer on October 01, 2015, 10:24:16 AM
I will give you that one, dangler. I have to wonder, though, if Macalester's first season in MWC says more about the MWC than it does about Macalester.

I think it was a combination of a strong year for Macalester and a bit of a down year for the Midwest Conference.

I was going to say the same thing but Pat beat me to it. In the last three weeks of the year Macalester beat Carroll at home, then went into St. Norbert and won, and then went on the road to Illinois College and won the title. If you would have told me that was possible even five years ago, like Clark Griswold, I wouldn't have been any more surprised had I awoken to find my head sewn to the carpet.

I agree with both of you.

It's not how a team starts a season, but how they finish the season.  Many jumped to conclusions that since Macalester lost to Hamline...IN WEEK 2..."what does that say about the MWC?"  Anyone who really truly followed Macalester last year knows that the Macalester team that beat IC in the championship was playing light years better than the Macalester team that lost to Hamline.  That Hamline loss was probably the best thing that could have happened to Macalester...EGO CHECK.  St. Norberts was for sure down last year under...for lack of a better word...DIFFERENT leadership.  I thought that as a whole the MWC South was stronger than the MWC North last year.  IC was a good football team last year.  I would put the week 10 Macalester team and IC of last year right around the same level as an Augsburg of last year.

You're a Uniter, not a Divider?  Huh?  Could've fooled me.

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Quote from: Reverend MIAC on July 14, 2015, 08:08:49 AM
It looks like Concordia didn't receive a single vote. Does anyone else think that's a little odd?

Yes, I thought they'd get some votes, but it's just a preseason poll.

What about MAC?  They made the playoffs last year and are hosting an elite prospect day on July 24th.   That should count for something.

http://athletics.macalester.edu/news/2015/6/9/FB_0609153016.aspx

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Quote from: hazzben on November 22, 2014, 01:10:44 PM

Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 20, 2014, 11:40:08 PM
Maybe, just maybe, Macalester didn't "PICK AND CHOOSE" a conference based on how "COMPETITIVE IT COULD BE".  Maybe, just maybe, the school made the decision to align itself with more similar, like minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies.

I call BS on this. If that was the case, why are you playing the rest of your sports in a conference that is such an odd fit?! 

You guys went to the MWC for competitive reasons in football. Fine, I think the MIAC should have given the rest of your sports the boot as well. And, FWIW, I don't want MAC to come back in football. Having 10 teams in the MIAC sponsoring football (one of them being MAC) won't help the top teams get at large bids for the playoffs as it will hurt SOS. I'd rather be able to schedule another quality non-con game.

Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 21, 2014, 12:24:09 AM

Now I think some on the MIAC boards want to have their cake and eat it too.  They can say what a disgrace it is that Macalester is picking and choosing the sports to play in-conference, yet know that Mac's departure from the conference would result in a severe dropping off for the conference's academic profile.  Here's a question for you though:  would you rather see a healthy Macalester football team in the MIAC, with 70ish members on the team, or do you want the team that left the MIAC with 30ish players that you used as your personal footstool?  In-conference parity is something for which to strive, and having a competitive Macalester football team is in the best interest of the entire MIAC.  Despite this, it doesn't sound like you even want us back as a football member anyway.  The same people who bemoan our "picking and choosing" similarly bemoan the prospects of a nine-game conference schedule. 

I don't think it'd precipitate a 'severe drop off.' Contrary to the high minded attitudes of MAC and Carleton grads, the other MIAC institutions are very highly thought of. If MAC left, there'd be plenty of very good schools in the MIAC and Carleton as an elite school. Contrary to what you might think, some of us went to other MIAC schools despite getting accepted to schools with better academic reps and tougher admissions standards than MAC or Carleton. 

Again, I just don't want MAC to come back in football. 9 conference games each year pulls everyone's SoS back towards .500. SO, unless that school you're adding is a really good team, it doesn't benefit the other schools.

As for parity, I don't want conference parity. I want excellence and parity, we have the former and are increasingly improving the latter. There are plenty of conferences with remarkable parity and little quality. If I have to choose between the two, give me excellence.

Again, my beef isn't MAC leaving, it's that they stayed in the other sports and then guys like TAS are trying to tell us that it wasn't for competitive reasons. I think right now we have the worst possible option: MAC competing in a conference for football that isn't the MIAC. If that's the direction they want to go, then move all your sports. Or fully rejoin the MIAC. But if I'm honest, I'd rather have them leave all together. It'd help the basketball and baseball schedules as well. And we'd still retain Carleton, a better academic institution for our 'profile.'

That said, good luck today against UWW. Having played and coached in the NCAA playoffs, it's a great experience and I'm genuinely happy for the MAC players and coaches, who had nothing to do whatsoever with where MAC is currently playing.

Hey Hazzben,

You want to claim BS?  If Macalester wanted to pick a conference for football based on competitive reasons...why wouldn't they have picked the UMAC?  They could have easily competed in that conference?

Also, have you ever thought of what it would be like for programs like basketball or baseball to compete in a conference other than the MIAC?  Imagine the amount of travel...and expenses accrued for programs like that to play in the MWC? 

In football?  Not that big of a deal as it's 5...maybe 6...games a year to travel overnight and pay for hotel rooms and meals.  In men's/women's basketball, baseball/softball, or men's/women's soccer?  Might be a little different story, no?

Football is a totally different beast.  What does it take to be competitive in football in the MIAC...vs...what does it take to be competitive in basketball in the MIAC, or any other sport?  Football is so very much a numbers game.  In other sports, if you get 3 or 4 really good players, you can compete.  Take the MAC Men's basketball teams for example when I was there...1999-2003.  They had 3 or 4 really good players and they made the MIAC tournament consecutive years.  If you get 3 or 4 really good FOOTBALL players in the MIAC?...that's nothing!  Football in the MIAC?  The top programs are bringing in 40 - 50 freshmen a YEAR!!!  They are bound to have 10+ really good players in those types of programs.  Not to mention, in football, it's not like the other sports when you lose.  It's not like you are swinging and missing at a ball, or missing a jump shot, or not running as fast as the person next to you.  In football, when you lose, you are getting your body physically pounded and driven into the dirt! 

Macalester has had the best 6 year stretch in recruiting in the program's history...yet they've never had a freshmen class of 25+ athletes.  Why do you think that is?  Maybe it's because they have academic standards on par with the Ivy League schools...AND...they only have a student body enrollment of 2,000 students!  Have you ever had to try to recruit football players to Macalester?  Last time I checked...Macalester gets 6,000+ applications/year to fill an incoming class of about 500 students.  Are you kidding me?  6,000+ of the best an brightest...not just from MN...but from all over the entire world!  Do you want to pick the right ones to admit out of 6,000+, and only have room for 500? 

I'm not being elitist and I'm not saying that the other MIAC schools aren't good schools.  THEY ARE GREAT SCHOOLS!  However, the fact of the matter is that they are different.  That's what so many like you don't seem to understand.  Lots of people want to assume the because Macalester is located in MN and is a private school, it's just like all the other private schools in MN.  MAC IS NOT LIKE ALL THE OTHER PRIVATE SCHOOLS IN MN!  In my time at MAC I took classes at Hamline and St. Thomas through the ACTC program.  Why did I take those classes?  Bottom line is that I took those classes because of one of two reasons...They were either an easy A in a subject non-related to my major, but fulfilled a requirement, or they were not offered at Macalester.  Were there ever any students from any of the other ACTC school in my other classes at Macalester?  NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  They might show up for the first day or two, but would quickly realize how much more work and how much more difficult it was going to be and drop out.  The other MIAC schools, no matter how bad they want to be, struggle to have the same academic rigor as a Macalester...or Carleton!  St. Olaf is trying, but they are not quite there yet.  AND look at what has happened with their football program.

If you want to act like you know everything there is to know about Macalester, why don't you try spending a day on their campus, attending the classes, meeting with the football coaches, talking to people of the Macalester community, and getting to know them and their institution?  Wait...dumb question...you already know everything there is to know about that, right?

Sounds like you worked your way into agreeing with Hazz that the move was for competitive reasons.  I'm glad to see that your time at MAC hasn't left you closed-minded.    The next time you hear someone complaining about the MWC getting a postseason bid ahead of another non-champion from a better league remind them that the tournament is set up like March Madness.  You don't think MAC is one of the best 32 teams in the country but you're excited to have a chance to pull an upset.

AO,
Can't say that I follow.  Care to shed any light?

Quote from: hazzben on November 22, 2014, 01:10:44 PM

Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 20, 2014, 11:40:08 PM
Maybe, just maybe, Macalester didn't "PICK AND CHOOSE" a conference based on how "COMPETITIVE IT COULD BE".  Maybe, just maybe, the school made the decision to align itself with more similar, like minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies.

I call BS on this. If that was the case, why are you playing the rest of your sports in a conference that is such an odd fit?! 

You guys went to the MWC for competitive reasons in football. Fine, I think the MIAC should have given the rest of your sports the boot as well. And, FWIW, I don't want MAC to come back in football. Having 10 teams in the MIAC sponsoring football (one of them being MAC) won't help the top teams get at large bids for the playoffs as it will hurt SOS. I'd rather be able to schedule another quality non-con game.

Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 21, 2014, 12:24:09 AM

Now I think some on the MIAC boards want to have their cake and eat it too.  They can say what a disgrace it is that Macalester is picking and choosing the sports to play in-conference, yet know that Mac's departure from the conference would result in a severe dropping off for the conference's academic profile.  Here's a question for you though:  would you rather see a healthy Macalester football team in the MIAC, with 70ish members on the team, or do you want the team that left the MIAC with 30ish players that you used as your personal footstool?  In-conference parity is something for which to strive, and having a competitive Macalester football team is in the best interest of the entire MIAC.  Despite this, it doesn't sound like you even want us back as a football member anyway.  The same people who bemoan our "picking and choosing" similarly bemoan the prospects of a nine-game conference schedule. 

I don't think it'd precipitate a 'severe drop off.' Contrary to the high minded attitudes of MAC and Carleton grads, the other MIAC institutions are very highly thought of. If MAC left, there'd be plenty of very good schools in the MIAC and Carleton as an elite school. Contrary to what you might think, some of us went to other MIAC schools despite getting accepted to schools with better academic reps and tougher admissions standards than MAC or Carleton. 

Again, I just don't want MAC to come back in football. 9 conference games each year pulls everyone's SoS back towards .500. SO, unless that school you're adding is a really good team, it doesn't benefit the other schools.

As for parity, I don't want conference parity. I want excellence and parity, we have the former and are increasingly improving the latter. There are plenty of conferences with remarkable parity and little quality. If I have to choose between the two, give me excellence.

Again, my beef isn't MAC leaving, it's that they stayed in the other sports and then guys like TAS are trying to tell us that it wasn't for competitive reasons. I think right now we have the worst possible option: MAC competing in a conference for football that isn't the MIAC. If that's the direction they want to go, then move all your sports. Or fully rejoin the MIAC. But if I'm honest, I'd rather have them leave all together. It'd help the basketball and baseball schedules as well. And we'd still retain Carleton, a better academic institution for our 'profile.'

That said, good luck today against UWW. Having played and coached in the NCAA playoffs, it's a great experience and I'm genuinely happy for the MAC players and coaches, who had nothing to do whatsoever with where MAC is currently playing.

Hey Hazzben,

You want to claim BS?  If Macalester wanted to pick a conference for football based on competitive reasons...why wouldn't they have picked the UMAC?  They could have easily competed in that conference?

Also, have you ever thought of what it would be like for programs like basketball or baseball to compete in a conference other than the MIAC?  Imagine the amount of travel...and expenses accrued for programs like that to play in the MWC? 

In football?  Not that big of a deal as it's 5...maybe 6...games a year to travel overnight and pay for hotel rooms and meals.  In men's/women's basketball, baseball/softball, or men's/women's soccer?  Might be a little different story, no?

Football is a totally different beast.  What does it take to be competitive in football in the MIAC...vs...what does it take to be competitive in basketball in the MIAC, or any other sport?  Football is so very much a numbers game.  In other sports, if you get 3 or 4 really good players, you can compete.  Take the MAC Men's basketball teams for example when I was there...1999-2003.  They had 3 or 4 really good players and they made the MIAC tournament consecutive years.  If you get 3 or 4 really good FOOTBALL players in the MIAC?...that's nothing!  Football in the MIAC?  The top programs are bringing in 40 - 50 freshmen a YEAR!!!  They are bound to have 10+ really good players in those types of programs.  Not to mention, in football, it's not like the other sports when you lose.  It's not like you are swinging and missing at a ball, or missing a jump shot, or not running as fast as the person next to you.  In football, when you lose, you are getting your body physically pounded and driven into the dirt! 

Macalester has had the best 6 year stretch in recruiting in the program's history...yet they've never had a freshmen class of 25+ athletes.  Why do you think that is?  Maybe it's because they have academic standards on par with the Ivy League schools...AND...they only have a student body enrollment of 2,000 students!  Have you ever had to try to recruit football players to Macalester?  Last time I checked...Macalester gets 6,000+ applications/year to fill an incoming class of about 500 students.  Are you kidding me?  6,000+ of the best an brightest...not just from MN...but from all over the entire world!  Do you want to pick the right ones to admit out of 6,000+, and only have room for 500? 

I'm not being elitist and I'm not saying that the other MIAC schools aren't good schools.  THEY ARE GREAT SCHOOLS!  However, the fact of the matter is that they are different.  That's what so many like you don't seem to understand.  Lots of people want to assume the because Macalester is located in MN and is a private school, it's just like all the other private schools in MN.  MAC IS NOT LIKE ALL THE OTHER PRIVATE SCHOOLS IN MN!  In my time at MAC I took classes at Hamline and St. Thomas through the ACTC program.  Why did I take those classes?  Bottom line is that I took those classes because of one of two reasons...They were either an easy A in a subject non-related to my major, but fulfilled a requirement, or they were not offered at Macalester.  Were there ever any students from any of the other ACTC school in my other classes at Macalester?  NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  They might show up for the first day or two, but would quickly realize how much more work and how much more difficult it was going to be and drop out.  The other MIAC schools, no matter how bad they want to be, struggle to have the same academic rigor as a Macalester...or Carleton!  St. Olaf is trying, but they are not quite there yet.  AND look at what has happened with their football program.

If you want to act like you know everything there is to know about Macalester, why don't you try spending a day on their campus, attending the classes, meeting with the football coaches, talking to people of the Macalester community, and getting to know them and their institution?  Wait...dumb question...you already know everything there is to know about that, right?

Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 21, 2014, 12:24:09 AM

Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 20, 2014, 11:40:08 PM

Maybe, just maybe, Macalester didn't "PICK AND CHOOSE" a conference based on how "COMPETITIVE IT COULD BE".  Maybe, just maybe, the school made the decision to align itself with more similar, like minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies.

I can already guess where Duff Man will want to go with this:  this for him will be the very definition of picking and choosing.  This alignment with like-minded institutions for only football yet remaining in the MIAC for other sports is exactly what he is talking about.  Macalester being with "like-minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies", in my view, goes hand in hand with "how competitive it can be".  If that is what we want to do, in Duff Man's opinion, then Mac should join the Midwest Conference in all sports.  Personally, this is something I do not want to see happen; while this year has been nothing short of magical for the football team, joining the conference in all sports would be nightmarish for travel.  I would prefer that we maintain our century-long ties to the MIAC and, hopefully, return as a football member that can compete with the likes of U$T, Bethel, and SJU.  This may be awhile down the road, but I think it ought to happen. 

Now I think some on the MIAC boards want to have their cake and eat it too.  They can say what a disgrace it is that Macalester is picking and choosing the sports to play in-conference, yet know that Mac's departure from the conference would result in a severe dropping off for the conference's academic profile.  Here's a question for you though:  would you rather see a healthy Macalester football team in the MIAC, with 70ish members on the team, or do you want the team that left the MIAC with 30ish players that you used as your personal footstool?  In-conference parity is something for which to strive, and having a competitive Macalester football team is in the best interest of the entire MIAC.  Despite this, it doesn't sound like you even want us back as a football member anyway.  The same people who bemoan our "picking and choosing" similarly bemoan the prospects of a nine-game conference schedule. 

When Mac left for football to play an independent schedule, it was probably either that or drop the football program altogether.  Is that what you want?  A group of young men no longer able to fulfill their dream of playing college football?  An independent schedule was the option the school had to preserve that dream.  Now that the administration has finally invested in the program, the ultimate goal of a competitive Macalester Scots football team in the MIAC can turn from a dream into a reality.  I realize Mac's chances on Saturday are slim-to-none, facing up against the undefeated defending national champions, but no matter how it turns out, I will be proud of my Macalester Scots taking the field and giving it their all.  Go Scots

Scottyeagle,

Agreed, it would be fantastic to see MAC back in the MIAC!

However, the school is set on being a top 25 academic institution in the country.  They are not going to make exceptions or bend on things like admissions and/or financial aid just so the football program can compete in the MIAC.  The bottom line is that when it comes to recruiting, Macalester will never be able to compete with the other MIAC schools...besides Carleton...because of the parity in admissions standards and financial aid policies. 

Do you know how many championships MAC and Carleton have combined in the MIAC?  I can't remember for sure, but I think it's something like 4 in a combined 80+ years of playing football in the MIAC.

Hopefully you're right though.  Hopefully they can build the program up enough so that some day the parity in admissions and financial aid won't be as big of an issue and then maybe they could get back into the MIAC.