100% Clark has a huge tree and influence. The point on my end was that Dartmouth 2nd assistants have done well. With / without Clark, they've been successful. Some I'm sure had a lot to do with Clark. That said, I'm not sure Clark told Riley to hire Fahey (someone who had never played or coached for Clark) and I'm not sure Clark told Riley to take Fahey to Notre Dame. I'm not sure Clark told Cook to hire Cedergren and I'm not sure Clark got Cedergren (someone who had never played or coached for Clark)  the Kentucky head coaching job. I'm not sure Clark told Cook to hire Wileman (someone who had never played or coached for Clark) at Dartmouth and I'm not sure Clark told Cedergren to hire Wileman at Kentucky. I'm not sure Clark told cook to hire Gorman (someone who had never played or coached for Clark) and I'm not sure Clark got Gorman the Albany job.

Regardless, the whole point at the beginning was that this is a good move for Flaherty if he wants to get into Division 1 coaching. I never said the AD was very mad. I never said he did an amazing job and was irreplaceable at Bates. I just said that if he wants to go Division 1 it is a good move, and that I heard the AD was not happy about him leaving. Mr. Right, please don't misquote me and make up things I did not say to help your argument/your attempts to make Flaherty look bad.

Dartmouth is playing Indiana, Notre Dame and UCONN in their first three games next year. I am not seeing Bates schedule but they played Hamilton, UNE and Newbury in their first three games last year. Bates (to my knowledge) has never had a player drafted into the MLS. Dartmouth had a first and a fourth round draft pick in the most recent MLS Draft. Bates I don't believe has ever won a NESCAC title and Mr. Right + others usually say it is one of the toughest NESCAC schools to recruit to. Dartmouth has won four straight Ivy League titles. If you want to coach college soccer at the highest level possible, it does seem like a good move in my opinion.

I'll leave it at this. If he was fired, why would Bates not have a story about his resignation/contract not renewed/whatever the case is when Dartmouth already has a story announcing him joining the staff on their website? If he was fired/not renewed/whatever the case is, why would Bates do this in late June when they had the entire offseason? Plenty of schools push their coaches out the door, but they do it far earlier rather than wait so long.

1) Not sure where you're getting the "very mad" quote? Made up?
2) Fahey's move doesn't count then? Right. If he wasn't at Dartmouth, would he have gotten the ND job?
3) Wileman followed him? Kentucky head coach has been there for 6 season (2018 will be 7). Wileman has been there for 3 seasons (2018 will be 4).
4) What does Gorman's age have anything to do with the FACT that he was a 2nd assistant at Dartmouth and was later the head coach of Albany?
5) Bobby Clark (you misspelled his name Mr "Right") connections is a main reason these guys all got jobs? Gorman, Wileman and Fahey never worked for or with Bobby Clark, and never played for him. Neither did Rutkowski.
6) What does the Dartmouth top assistant maybe or maybe not leaving and maybe or maybe not taking Flaherty having anything to do with the above list? It has nothing to do with how previous Dartmouth assistants have done. Might not have anything to do with why Flaherty wanted to take the job.
7) You were claiming earlier that Flaherty was fired. Now you're arguing he took it to get into Division 1 and it's a hopeful move at best?
8) 2nd assistant jobs were previously for "retreads" according to you. Now that you see the list of who was there and how they've done, you've backed off that?

Not sure what your issue is with Flaherty. If you could elaborate and give any good reason why there is one, let us know

Completely agree it is not a career move whatsoever if you want to stay in Division 3. However, if you want to go to Division 1 it seems to be a good move. A quick bit of research on the most recent former Dartmouth 2nd Assistants shows:

Ryan Fahey - Top Assistant at Notre Dame
Chase Wileman - Top Assistant at Kentucky
Emmett Rutkowski (was a volunteer or third assistant at Dartmouth) - Top Assistant at Stetson (was previously top assistant at Mercer)
Trevor Gorman - Head Coach at Albany

I'm not seeing a record for 2nd assistants prior to Gorman so there may be more. The list of where top assistants have gone on to is even more impressive.

Not sure if Flaherty wants to Coach Division 1 or not, and if this is why he made the move. Not sure if you think it is a good idea/good move or not, but all this might be worth considering.

I also agree that 5-10 years ago and beyond, 2nd assistant was for recent graduates with little/no experience. However, now with much more funding going into athletics, I believe there are many more qualified 2nd assistants at a lot of colleges. At times, experienced coaches are even going into volunteer roles at some colleges.

Quote from: Mr.Right on June 23, 2018, 08:54:05 AM

Quote from: BigEast on June 23, 2018, 12:09:31 AM
Seems like Stewart Flaherty is out at Bates. Bates head coach job posted on NCAA job site, news is he has another opportunity.

https://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/11171183/head-men-s-soccer-coach

Yea I just heard about this the other day. Apparently, this had been in the works since the Spring. No idea why Bates waited so long to post the opening or announce the parting of ways with Flaherty. Make no mistake this was not because Flaherty got another opportunity. I am not quite sure the exact reasoning but there must have been some off field issues. I have heard he was getting some brutal reviews by some players. Not sure that would be enough to get him fired so there must have been some sort of "incident". It is also possible like I predicted years ago he was just not a good fit at Bates. With him probably knowing of his departure by the Spring when Bates did not renew his contract this will disrupt Bates recruiting for the following year as they will be well behind other schools for rising seniors. I am sure he had this years class pretty much committed by March so I do not think it will hurt for 2018 but who knows. Either way Bates was going to struggle in 2018 no matter.

This is a solid job and I think would be a great fit for a young guy willing to work hard and sell the school and the program to kids. Bates is the toughest school in Nescac to recruit to but not impossible. They have had success in other sports so if you can find the right fit this is a good gig. Pay is probably the weakest in Nescac but as long as you get support from Admissions and you know how to coach and recruit this is a good opportunity. Just off the top of my head Dubois would be the obvious choice. Not sure if he would be interested but I am sure Bates administration is aware of the turn around he has achieved at St.Joes..

Besides the late announcement, I think Bates made the right move.

Heard he was recently offered and accepted a job at Dartmouth, so resigned. Also heard the Bates AD was not at all happy with his move. Not sure Dartmouth hire people who were fired from Bates as you say. If he did get fired, not sure how he managed to get a job instantly after, and accept that job before Bates could even post his.

Hey lads,

Quick question for the NESCAC fans here before the preseason begins. I was watching an English U17 Academy game the other day and it got me thinking - Would a NESCAC all star team beat a U16/U17/U18 English Academy team? Curious and excited to hear some thoughts on this topic.

Good points, and well said.

Interesting game last night where four NESCAC players were in action - Boston Rams v Western Mass Pioneers. Rashid and Greenwood started for Rams, while Pascual-Leone started for the Pioneers and Grady played 26 minutes off the bench. Greenwood kept the clean sheet, making five saves, and Rashid scored and got four shots away in his 62 minutes of action. Indicator that he is back healthy and in form?

First win of the season for Greenwood, Rashid and the Rams. Western Mass I thought looked very weak and I would be surprised if they won a game again this season. They are really missing Junior Alencar - a striker who scored 19 goals in 17 games in 2013 for them and 14 goals in eight games last season. Not sure what he is doing now. I'd be stunned if Western Mass as a team scored 14 this entire season.

Last weekend, Bates' Peabo Knoth (playing for Portland) scored the winner in stoppage time against the Rams in a 1-0 win. For the Rams, Greenwood did not play and Rashid played 29 minutes off the bench. Bates' Noah Riskind played five minutes off the bench for Portland.

Seacoast (no NESCAC players) should win the division. Portland (Knoth, Riskind, Sean Moyo - Bates) should be second. Connecticut (no NESCAC players) should be third. Rams (Rashid, Greenwood) fourth. Pioneers (NPL, Grady) a distant fifth.

Quote from: Mr.Right on June 07, 2015, 11:36:29 PM

Midd and Bates get an F...Midd drops Southern Vt for Green Mountain..This is just so BAD and this is your Top team in Nescac for some of these posters..Give me a break.

Bates well is just not even worth talking about...Flaherty likes to pad a couple wins to his resume to give the clueless AD a reason to keep him.

There are some Bates Haters on this website, I think we should shorten the name to Baters. Mr. Right, you are definitely the Master Hater!

Bates keeps the same exact schedule that they went .500 in last year - and the same schedule that Bennett Rank had #1 in the country for SOS. That said - I think Bennett Rank overrates the NESCAC and that contributed to the ranking. Bates finishing with twice as many losses as wins and in the top 100 by Bennett Rank is questionable.

Middlebury wasn't dominant out of conference last year either as they lost a game and drew a game. Wesleyan lost a game and drew two out of conference.. NESCAC schools combined for 11 non conference losses I believe, so is keeping the same/similar schedules that bad? If the out of conference games for 2014 were too easy (given that you say 2015 is and 2014 was similar) shouldn't the NESCAC schools have only a handful of losses and draws in those games? I know the argument is that kids don't get up for midweek games, but it's not as though other schools skip class Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday in preparation for a Wednesday night game.

I hear that Nico Pascual-Leone (Amherst) and Zach Grady (Williams) are both playing for the Western Mass Pioneers in the PDL? Surely these are the two most talented attacking players Western Mass have ever had, and they will lead the Pioneers to a superb season. Last season Western Mass finished third in the Eastern Conference with 8 wins, 4 losses, 2 draws. Thoughts on where these two NESCAC studs will take this team?

Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on May 06, 2015, 05:46:20 PM
Are the NESCAC faithful already relegating Tufts to the status of "one hit wonder"?

No. I think Tufts will be back to that level, but not this year. They have a very strong recruiting class and a bunch of talented players returning, but I don't think any team can lose their two best attacking players and two center backs and have a championship caliber season.

The Correct Soccer Standings for the 2015 NESCAC Soccer season (regular season):

1) Middlebury
2) Williams
3) Amherst
4) Tufts
5) Bates
6) Bowdoin
7) Wesleyan
8) Conn
9) Trinity
10) Colby
11) Hamilton

Middlebury will have Glaser, Conrad and Sydor back. Dominate. Williams has Rashid back and he should be the best player in the league, I expect sophomore Sisco-Tolomeo to blow up this year with Grady gone - Sisco can play, and Danilack will be the second best defender in the league. Amherst return their two best attacking players, Martin and Pascual-Leone, and are bringing in a beast of a center back who will be the best defender in the league as a freshman. I feel Tufts will drop off from everyone else's predictions having lost two dangerous attacking players in Hoppenot and Satnos, plus both center backs. That is tough to replace. Bates returns pretty much everyone, and if the incoming recruiting class is as impactful as the current freshmen were, will finish top half of the table. Sixth seems about right for Bowdoin, they were not great last year but went on a surprise run in the playoffs, and return a majority of their team. Wesleyan and Conn will be average, I think, Wesleyan lose Bratt who was a top five defender in the league last year and neither team have a serious goal scoring threat unless they have recruited one. Colby will drop off, they lose several key players and yes they are bringing in recruits as all posters have mentioned - but every other team in the league is also. Aside from two or three players, the rest of Colby's class are all average NESCAC players, and you have to wonder how they will buy into Seabrook's boot it, pack it in and defend, score from set plays system that was very successful last season. Trinity may be worse than Colby overall but have a goalscorer in Savonen. I expect them to leak goals as they graduate three of their back four, which wasn't good last season, Hamilton will really struggle having lost half their starting team including their best player Jacob Frost and their best defender Buck Reynolds. Not sure they even win a league game, and I see them being bottom of the league by a big margin.