10 freshmen on the much anticipated Carthage roster.  Looks like a decent class coming in. 

Was Carthage the last school to have their roster up?

Transfer College... I mean Carthage has added a few new faces (sorry wrong board)

Well two new ones and one old one anyways.

6'3 Guard Jordan Kedrowski is back in a Red Men uniform

6'1 Guard Crishawn Cook from Niles North High School originally

6'5 Forward Preston Laketa spent first two years at Alma

I'll see if I can dig up any info on incoming freshman, but it appears these are three incoming players that could all be fighting for starting minutes.

Quote from: kenoshamark on January 20, 2018, 11:49:30 PM
Red and Black,

Get back to the point...you said people close to the program know where my allegiances are.  If you have some connections to the program then come clean....I've followed Carthage for many years and was a diehard fan for many years....I've been to more games than I can even begin to count.  If you think I'm just going to say nice things all the time, well that ended a few years ago. 

All I brought up was the point that it will be interesting to see how the roles for Perry and Johnson play out over the next few years.

I don't have the connections I once had maybe that's what sparked my frustration when reading here. I apologize for that, but you did just say it ended a few years ago. So maybe over the last few years things coming from you on here have seemed negative. Just my opinion no right or wrong answer sorry for how it came across.

As far as the game. Those two playing together will be very interesting.  I'd like to think over time they start to play more and more together. 

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2018, 11:34:05 PM

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Quote from: iwumichigander on January 20, 2018, 10:25:28 PM

Quote from: iwu70 on January 20, 2018, 10:15:56 PM
As Greg has mentioned, it was a close game til the last 4 minutes.  You can't say AC over-powered NPU, as they didn't, and Lake had a poor shooting day.  If that's how the #10 team in the country is supposed to play, then I'm not terribly impressed. NPU is not exactly the powerhouse of the league this year, though they gave AC a pretty good game.   IMHO.

CC comes back to win in Decatur, in OT, 91-82.  I think MU ran out of gas.

Here we go in round two of the league -- down the stretch we go. IWU will obviously have their hands full with EC at home.

'70

Greg is right.  Both teams did a lot of running up and down the court.  Augustana kept themselves in the game with defense.

Millikin should have won the game in regulation.  Rarely does Bosko lose in an OT contest.  I think Millikin just does not yet have five guys used to playing together as opposed to running out of gas.  But watch out in the second half of the regular CCIW season as Millikin will get better.  There is some talent on Millikin.

Happened twice this year already where Carthage lost in OT.  Calvin College and IIT.

Mark it's okay to say nice things about your home town team every once in awhile. People close with the program understand where your allegiances are but come on.

Why are you getting on his case for setting the record straight?

Carthage has Little presence on this board. Everyone knows how loyal yourself, Q, andone etc are their teams. It just would be nice to see a positive note on here about the red men from their only "supporter."  May not have been the right time, but it hasn't just been that post.

Quote from: kenoshamark on January 20, 2018, 11:18:05 PM

Quote from: kenoshamark on January 15, 2018, 07:19:42 PM
Greg,

Good comments about Baltimore being back in the lineup.  I haven't been able to attend a game yet, but I have watched some of the games on line (at least partial amounts).  Baltimore will have an impact and provides a real nice third scoring option (although he isn't shy about shooting so he might consider himself the first option now). 

Johnson is an interesting prospect...he seems very composed on the floor and is certainly getting rave reviews from Bosko.  In the Kenosha News on Sunday morning, Bosko was reiterating his previous comments about how smart he is, how hard he works, the sky is the limit and he will be a star some day.

What I wonder is how he will be used going forward this year and next.  As you stated, they have 40 minutes to use in the post with Perry and Johnson, but who is going to get the key minutes in the future?   Perry is probably a 25 minute player, but Johnson needs more minutes than 15.  You can't really play them together from what I can tell.   Maybe for a few minutes, but that experiment will probably be for the future as there isn't someone you are going to take out of the starting lineup down the stretch of a close game. 

With Perry being the reigning freshman of the year, how do you give him the right number of minutes too?  Bosko raved about him last year, but seems like it has switched to Johnson this year.  Its a great situation to have, but I think it will be interesting to see how it plays out. 

BTW, I can't believe Johnson didn't get some D2 looks....Now, maybe he did, but I would think there would be multiple teams at that level that could have used his size and shot blocking ability.  Just seems like he would have been a natural to be a scholarship player...might have taken him a year or two to round into a full time player at that level, but worth the risk.  Plus, he is supposed to be an outstanding student too and came from a top notch high school so he had to have been seen by bigger schools.  I'm not convinced he isn't taller than Perry and they have Perry at 6"11 and Johnson at 6"10....

Nonetheless, great get for Carthage....

Posted this a few days ago....I see that Johnson started tonight and logged 30 minutes and Perry came off the bench and played 15 minutes.  Not sure what this means for the remaining games in terms of who will be the starter.

I watched the live feed tonight and that is incorrect. Perry started the game.

Quote from: kenoshamark on January 20, 2018, 11:05:22 PM

Quote from: iwumichigander on January 20, 2018, 10:25:28 PM

Quote from: iwu70 on January 20, 2018, 10:15:56 PM
As Greg has mentioned, it was a close game til the last 4 minutes.  You can't say AC over-powered NPU, as they didn't, and Lake had a poor shooting day.  If that's how the #10 team in the country is supposed to play, then I'm not terribly impressed. NPU is not exactly the powerhouse of the league this year, though they gave AC a pretty good game.   IMHO.

CC comes back to win in Decatur, in OT, 91-82.  I think MU ran out of gas.

Here we go in round two of the league -- down the stretch we go. IWU will obviously have their hands full with EC at home.

'70

Greg is right.  Both teams did a lot of running up and down the court.  Augustana kept themselves in the game with defense.

Millikin should have won the game in regulation.  Rarely does Bosko lose in an OT contest.  I think Millikin just does not yet have five guys used to playing together as opposed to running out of gas.  But watch out in the second half of the regular CCIW season as Millikin will get better.  There is some talent on Millikin.

Happened twice this year already where Carthage lost in OT.  Calvin College and IIT.

Mark it's okay to say nice things about your home town team every once in awhile. People close with the program understand where your allegiances are but come on.

It was a very interesting game tonight. One carthage did not deserve to win, but I've learned that doesn't matter.  it's already been said on here tonight, a road win in this league is not easy!  Doesn't get any easier for the red men who have a night off Wednesday before heading to rock island.

Interesting news out of Elmhurst.  I wonder if this impacts the basketball program at all. 

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/elmhurst-lacked-institutional-control

Quote from: AndOne on August 17, 2017, 06:38:38 PM

Quote from: Red and black on August 16, 2017, 11:25:55 PM

Quote from: AndOne on August 16, 2017, 04:27:55 PM
nescac1,

I think when you base an analysis of something current on "how they finished last year," you might need to differentiate between how they finished with regard to what their total record was and how they fonished playing at the end of the year. North Central finished 18-11. Not that impressive overall. However, to only consider those numbers in assessing this season's team is, I believe, a bit shortsighted. Because equally important is how they finished playing near the end of the year. And, in NCC's case, they were playing some of their best basketball at season's end. Over the last 12 games they finished 9-3 with the 3 losses being a 6 point overtime loss to the national champion runner up (Augie), a 4 point overtime loss to the CCIW tourney #1 seed (Carthage), and a 1 point loss to Elite Eight member Hanover. Incidentally, they beat both Carthage and Augie in the conference tourney.
So, if you're asking if last year's record should be the primary factor in this year's assessment, my answers is no. I think how they were actually playing over the final part of the season is more important than their final record.

Lastly, just to be clear. There is no way in hell I was suggesting NCC should be the pre-season #1-3 team.
I agree with you that 4-7 is about right. The main thing is that, given the last time they played NCC won, the Cardinals shouldn't be more than one or two spots behind wherever Augie is placed.

Based off of this post, where do you have carthage?  As you referenced they were the CCIW #1 seed. Have majority of key contributors back and as you pointed out is important, had a very successful finish to the year. They went 7-1 in the back half of the CCIW round robin Including wins vs Augie and their 2nd win against north central.

I could see north central 4-7 as well, but you would have to really convince me how they could be far ahead of Carthage.

First of all, I think that the failure of Carthage to finish in last season's final Top 25, or even in the ORV, will hurt their chances of being included in either category in this year's pre-season rankings, if that's what you're asking.

You mentioned that they were the #1 seed in the conference tourney, have several key contributors back, and finished well including a 2nd win against NCC before losing to them in the conference tournament. However, keep in mind that two other schools won as many conference games as they did, that they lost both their leading scorer and their (very underrated) leading assist guy, and that the game they really needed in the conference tourney got away (to NCC).

Pluses for the upcoming season include the possible further development of Brad Perry, the emergence of Kienan Baltimore as a future all-conference player, the all-around play of Brad Kruse, and the big shot making ability of Jordan Thomas. Questions needing consideration include who will assume the top scorer position, who will QB the team and get the ball to the shooters/scorers mentioned above, and did they recruit any newbie who will emerge as a significant contributor. Disappointment should reign if CC doesn't finish in the top four of the conference and qualify for the tournament. I can see CC and IWU being top contenders for the 3rd and 4th spots. If they can get into the national tourney and win a game there, final Top 20-25 or ORV ranking is possible.

Lastly, as a direct comparison between CC and NCC heading into this season, keep in mind that in addition to what they had last year NCC gets Connor Raridon back, adds a D2 transfer, adds another transfer who led his team in scoring and was 5th in conference scoring, and adds, among others, a super athletic freshman who is both explosive on the offensive interior and plays a smothering brand of defense, along with another freshman who finished second in scoring in DuPage County, a great provider of top level D3 talent. IDK what noteworthy additions CC is making which helps lead me to the conclusion that there is a rather large gap between where NCC is likely to be ranked pre-season, and where CC may be ranked.
Hope that answers your question.

First off, I am in no way stating I believe Carthage to be a top 10 team at this point, and I agree with most on here about the high preseason ranking of Augie and North Central.  What I guess I am arguing, is based off of last season the gap clearly isn't that big.  Carthage went 1-1 against what many see as 1 or 2 ranked Augie and they went 2-1 against what you are saying you see as a 4-7 nationally ranked NCC.

Carthage has 4 of their top 5 back including Perry and Baltimore.  They finished the regular season 7-1 and Baltimore finished that stretch of games averaging 16 points and Perry, the regional rookie of the year, was roughly  12 PPG and 8 RPG.  With any improvement they should be a load to go against together.  As for the "QB" of the team, I think it will still be Brad Kruse who was all conference last year. 

I am not nearly as close to the Carthage program as you are the North Central.  I am merely an alum and a fan.  I have very little communication with coaching staff so I can't politic for my school like you can regarding new coming players.  What I have heard, is that the Carthage staff is very pleased with their incoming class.  They also get their PG back who transferred in before last season.  He was starting ahead of their PG from last season before a season ending injury in their 2nd scrimmage.   

Again I am in no way taking anything away from any other program, in fact I would like to think the CCIW deserves more teams in the discussion of top 25. Based off of what is returning alone and not even including any potential new adds, and based off of Carthage's success against top teams last year I just don't see how they can be left without serious consideration.

I will head back up north for the Carthage home coming game in a month or so.  Hopefully I can get more inside info then!  These posts are really getting me excited for the season now.  Can it be October already!?

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on August 17, 2017, 05:42:32 PM

River Falls
v Minn-Duluth
v Central
v Baldwin-Wallace at Wheaton IL
v DePauw or Wheaton IL
v Superior
v Hamline
v Carleton
v St. Thomas
@ Northwestern
v St. Olaf at Eau Claire

Carthage's schedule is not posted yet, but I think Carthage should be traveling to UWRF at some point.  The two played what I assumed was the first game of a home and home last year in Kenosha.

Quote from: AndOne on August 16, 2017, 04:27:55 PM
nescac1,

I think when you base an analysis of something current on "how they finished last year," you might need to differentiate between how they finished with regard to what their total record was and how they fonished playing at the end of the year. North Central finished 18-11. Not that impressive overall. However, to only consider those numbers in assessing this season's team is, I believe, a bit shortsighted. Because equally important is how they finished playing near the end of the year. And, in NCC's case, they were playing some of their best basketball at season's end. Over the last 12 games they finished 9-3 with the 3 losses being a 6 point overtime loss to the national champion runner up (Augie), a 4 point overtime loss to the CCIW tourney #1 seed (Carthage), and a 1 point loss to Elite Eight member Hanover. Incidentally, they beat both Carthage and Augie in the conference tourney.
So, if you're asking if last year's record should be the primary factor in this year's assessment, my answers is no. I think how they were actually playing over the final part of the season is more important than their final record.

Lastly, just to be clear. There is no way in hell I was suggesting NCC should be the pre-season #1-3 team.
I agree with you that 4-7 is about right. The main thing is that, given the last time they played NCC won, the Cardinals shouldn't be more than one or two spots behind wherever Augie is placed.

Based off of this post, where do you have carthage?  As you referenced they were the CCIW #1 seed. Have majority of key contributors back and as you pointed out is important, had a very successful finish to the year. They went 7-1 in the back half of the CCIW round robin Including wins vs Augie and their 2nd win against north central.

I could see north central 4-7 as well, but you would have to really convince me how they could be far ahead of Carthage.

Quote from: markerickson on February 09, 2017, 09:36:09 PM
Attendance at last night's game in Kenosha was posted at 834, but having watched the game, that number was exaggerated by at least 500 people.

You really think there was only 300 people in the gym?  Carthage usually frustrates me with underselling their attendances. I think 834 is a fair estimate from last night. The student section was pretty crowded by the end of the game. 834 people at Carthage looks a little different than at north park obviously. Even tho it doesn't look filled, I still think it was a decent Wednesday night crowd. 

Quote from: 4samuy on January 08, 2017, 10:57:05 PM

Quote from: Red and black on January 08, 2017, 04:37:52 PM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2017, 11:23:39 AM

Quote from: BeRightOn on January 08, 2017, 08:27:31 AM
Swarthmore has dominated its last two opponents, Catholic University and Gettysburg. I'm wondering if d-mac might re-instate them to his Top 25 ballot this week...

Them and 35 others teams are under consideration.

Nothing against the win(s), but I don't think much of a win over Catholic this year (they are average until proven otherwise) and Gettysburg is hot and cold. So, I really can't assess that until I look farther into it.

They have been on my radar much of the year... just not sure if those two games will stand out over other results once I start diving into the info.

Is Carthage College one of those 35 under consideration? 

10-3 Overall, 4-1 and currently atop the CCIW standings.

Wins @ then #9 North Central (with a full and healthy team that included Connor Raridon)
        @ UW-Oshkosh
        @ #10 North Park University

Carthage has been playing well winning six out of last seven on the road.  They did take a pretty good beat down at Augustana, however.

I think "beat down" is a little bit of a stretch. Carthage got behind early, but cut it to a basket or two pretty quickly in the second half. Without looking up the game, I think Carthage was trailing Augie by four with under five minutes to go. Augie ended with Three straight breakaways to stretch out the final score.

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2017, 11:23:39 AM

Quote from: BeRightOn on January 08, 2017, 08:27:31 AM
Swarthmore has dominated its last two opponents, Catholic University and Gettysburg. I'm wondering if d-mac might re-instate them to his Top 25 ballot this week...

Them and 35 others teams are under consideration.

Nothing against the win(s), but I don't think much of a win over Catholic this year (they are average until proven otherwise) and Gettysburg is hot and cold. So, I really can't assess that until I look farther into it.

They have been on my radar much of the year... just not sure if those two games will stand out over other results once I start diving into the info.

Is Carthage College one of those 35 under consideration? 

10-3 Overall, 4-1 and currently atop the CCIW standings.

Wins @ then #9 North Central (with a full and healthy team that included Connor Raridon)
        @ UW-Oshkosh
        @ #10 North Park University

Carthage 68
Oshkosh  67 in overtime

The Red Men were leading by 2 to end regulation, but were called for a foul on oshkosh's 3rd tip in attempt at the buzzer. They put .3 seconds on the clock and made both feee throws to force overtime.

Carthage was down 5 with about 2 min left in OT. Mike Stevenson hit a three around 20 seconds left to get them up one and Turned out to be the game winner.

A good afternoon for the CCIW against a couple of top half WIAC schools

Carthage College 2016/17 Season Preview:

Non conference games:    Friday November 18th: Olivet College
                                         Sunday November 20th: Robert Morris-Peoria
                                         Tuesday November 22nd: UW River Falls
                                         Saturday November 26th: Northland College
                                         Tuesday November 29th: Calvin College
                                         Monday December 19th: @Caltech in Pasadena, California
                                         Tuesday December 20th: @University of La Verne in Laverne, California
                                         Saturday December 31st: @ UW Oshkosh
                                         Tuesday January 10th: Illinois Institute of Technology

From what I have seen the one time I have been on campus this year, the new look Red Men are exactly that.  They look a whole lot different than they did a year ago and that looks to be a very good thing.  Many newcomers including a couple of transfers that should see significant playing time immediately.  The schedule breaks a little in the Red Men's favor.  They get to open with five non conference games at home before mixing in some conference action and then heading to their trip out west.  It should be interesting to see how the rotation and minutes are spread.

Key returners:  Brad Kruse 6'4 JR Forward
                   Mike Stevenson 6'4 Sr. Forward
                   Kevin Kozil 6'0 Sr. Guard
                   Drew Joiner 6'3 Soph. Guard
                  Mike Kjeldsen 6'3 Sr. Guard
                  Derek Mason 5'10 Jr. Guard
                  Ryan Kase 6'6 Sr. Forward

New Comers:
Kamal Shasi 6'2 Guard from Seton Academy originally.   Played last season at D2 Concord West Virginia, a team that won 22 games last season.  Seems to be a kid that can shoot the ball well and really defend! Something new for the 16/17 Red Men!  I imagine he will see time right away.

Jordan Thomas 5'11 Guard:  Jordan has sophomore eligibility and comes from Northern Illinois where he was a preferred walk on.  Another new guard that should see time right away.  A great perimeter shooter.  Excellent high school career out of New Trier

Brad Perry 6'10 Center: Freshman from Maine South.  15 and 10 player in high school  Back to the basket legit big man.  The type of player every division three team is looking for.  Hopefully a solid everyday four year player.

Kienan Baltimore 6'5 Forward:  A very strong offensive player.  Averaged 20 and 8 rebounds at Zion Benton High school last year.

Cam Miller 6'5 Forward:  Great athlete in high school out of Waukegan.  All conference his senior year. 

Adam Radcliffe 5'10 Guard from a small school in Elgin Illinois

Jacob Polglase 6'3 Guard:  Australian wing player from Impact Academy down in Florida. 

Eric Braum 6'3 Guard out of local Kenosha Tremper.  15 PPG his senior year.

Reggie Banks 6'6 Freshman:  From Richmond Burton High school.  Missed his Sr. Season due to injury.  Was a top 50 player in the state of Illinois heading into his final season.   Big time recruit who has a crazy upside.  Right near the top of the list for best CCIW recruits this season!  They are hoping he is full go on October 15th. 


October 15th is almost here!! As always should be a great CCIW season.  I am glad I don't have to wait till 2017 to see some intense conference games.  I don't follow all of the teams as closely as many of you, but it appears the league is pretty wide open this year. Sure there are some favorites, but I don't see anyone right now as a for sure to make the conference tournament.  Hope some of these new guys can put Carthage in the mix this season!