Quote from: hazzben on November 14, 2019, 11:04:36 AM
Well, the Pool C mock went about how I figured. I do chuckle, when I raised some questions a few weeks back about Bethel's prospects and several posters on the boards scoffed "A one loss Bethel will never be left out." Still football to be played, but things are looking more and more likely that this is exactly what might transpire.

Still need to win Saturday for any of it to matter. Should be a great game.

Also, FWIW, Central @ Hope would be a great matchup. Two Dutch Reformed schools facing off would be all sorts of interesting.

I still think the winner of Bethel and UST should be in.  There's no way the top 2 conferences (MIAC, WIAC) in the country should not have 2 teams in the playoff.  Financially it wouldn't be the best but just send them to the South, East or North bracket and see how it all shakes out.  Or follow baseball and have play-in games with the conferences who usually have their champ monkey stomped by a 1 seed.

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Quote from: GoldandBlueBU on November 13, 2019, 02:27:23 PM
Bummer.

BU over UST is certainly no gimme, but if they do win, the SJU crapping of the bed against Concordia will prove quite unfortunate. 

It will be quite a bitter pill for the players to swallow if it works out that way.

The 1-2 combo of UST v UWEC and SJU v CON has seemingly most hurt BU.  Now that's strange.

Bethel is also being hurt by Simpson and River Falls.  If you really want to manipulate the SoS in your favor, play winning teams from bad conferences.  You might get a better game from playing River Falls or Simpson but the NCAA's limited statistics won't give you proper credit.

The non-conference scheduling at all levels of football have always been a bit of a mystery to me. Most teams are scheduled out for 4-6 years in advance, but I have always felt it would be wise if teams would only book games a year in advance. If Bethel had booked a game with St. Scholastica (they had to play 2 NAIA schools in the Dakota's this season to fill their NC schedule) or Martin Luther this season they might be in a much better position today in pool C. The shorter scheduling window could help all teams schedule more favorable games and avoid ones that may well be hurtful to their cause.

I know I've seen Oshkosh and Whitewater are both looking for home and home series for future seasons. 

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Quote from: sjusection105 on November 10, 2019, 09:05:59 PM
Art76 -Looking forward it appears the Bethel vs UST is the game of the week. Bethel controls their own destiny. Win & they should be in the playoffs, lose and both UST & Bethel are on the outside looking in with 2 losses.

Unfortunately, I don't know that this is the case. Bethel might not even make it to the board in Pool C discussions if they get slotted behind Wartburg in the regional rankings. It's going to be an interesting final week of the regular season.

Just wondering out loud, when's the last time a 1 loss MIAC co-champ didn't make the playoffs? Has to be before the current playoff format correct?

Still on better ground than the WIAC.  Only chance they have for getting 2 in is probably a UWO upset of UWW (which definitely could happen).  Also having only UWW ranked is probably not helping either.  I still think whoever wins between Bethel and UST will end up making it in. 

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Quote from: sjujohnnie on October 12, 2019, 06:55:15 PM
With St John's shutting out the #6 team in the country & Whitewater only defeating #19 Platteville by a touchdown, what is the likelihood that St John's will retake the #3 ranking they had in the preseason?

Good question. I guess it depends on how many voters look past the score and into the box score. If they even do a cursory look, they will see the UW-W dominance. If they don't, they won't.

First downs: UW-W 29  UW-P 12
Total yards: UW-W 513  UW-P 237
Rushing yards:  UW-W 376  UW-P   19

Yet the WIACers jumped on the UWEC bandwagon when the Tommies won the statistical battle by a large margin. I know the Tommies lost that game, but still, there was that.

You mention that the Tommies lost as if it is incidental information. Statistics don't matter if you lose. If you win, maybe voters take a look, maybe they don't. But I agree with the others. It doesn't really matter right now. There is room in this world for both St. John's and UW-W being very good.

Let's also not overlook that UWP is looking to be a pretty solid team in their own right.  They have some solid wins and could be the #2 team in the WIAC.  A couple "down" years removed from being a consistent top 25 team.  In fact they took the Johnnies to the limit if memory serves me right in the playoffs and was a bit of argument over whether or not a ball actually crossed a goal line. 

Quote from: DuffMan on September 30, 2019, 10:24:38 AM
Those are some fair points, BDB, but we need someone competitive.

I have a hard time thinking of any school that would want to leave and come into the MIAC.  Mac seems happy where they are at and the only other that might be close would be CSS, but again I don't see them jumping at the opportunity. Just have one less conference game and take another non conference.  Scheduling non conference has always been an issue for the WIAC schools since at least the time I was playing (remember one year we almost had only 9 games until we found a top 10 NAIA school).  WIAC used to have a border battle with the NSIC (before they put money into the programs) which was always a fun battle.  Maybe something similar could be done with the WIAC and MIAC at US Bank or TCF.  I remember playing SJU to start every season and it always was a fun game.  It already happens to some extent now and it might help solve scheduling problems for both.  Though I don't know if you would get the tier 2 MIAC teams I hear about to buy in to that one. 

Quote from: GoldandBlueBU on September 24, 2019, 09:04:59 AM
Since BU had the weekend off, I took advantage of the free Saturday and wandered around.

(was actually there all week for work and then had a free weekend on the back end of the work trip)

Would love to have seen the inside before the fire.  Curious how long it will take to rebuild...

Went there once with the wife and it was amazing.  Not just the windows but the sculptures and all the other historical stuff that was just sitting there.  Also were lucky enough to hear a choir that was doing a free concert for some event in town.  I hope to get back at some point and will be curious to see how the inside will have changed. 

Personally I think it was the wrong decision to force UST out.  The whole thing seemed to have started after the 97-0 drubbing of St. Olaf.  Looking into that I saw that Olaf essentially hired a whole staff from UST.  So while I don't maybe agree with running it up that much.  They had to know that the staff at UST probably wasn't happy about it.  I can only imagine what the games will be like now that they are being forced out.  Good luck to the bottom of the conference.  Anyway as a WIAC grad I'd love to see UST in the conference.  It would take away having to search for 1 game which always seemed to be, and apparently continues to be, a problem.  Also what are the possibilities for getting 2 AQ's for a conference?  My personal thoughts on it though is that they will be moving up to D2 or higher, which is to bad. 

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3. Threw to the outside and picked apart man coverage...o-line gave Jackson enough time!

Does St. Olaf,Gustavus or Bethel have the athletes to duplicate this type of game plan vs UST? I would venture to say Gustavus has the QB and receivers but not sure of the O-line play. Bethel with Marsh at QB if he plays like he did against SJU could put a scare into the Toms. Time will tell how it shakes out.

This may come off as a harsh answer, but I would say a declarative NO. Jackson Erdmann played like only a handful of D3 quarterbacks I have ever seen. Comparable to Aaron Boehme (Linfield) and Alex Tanney (Monmouth followed by NFL). He put balls in the smallest windows where only his receiver could get them. He threw well to all different levels. He moved around in the pocket just enough to manage pressure. And he had an hard internal clock in his head on when to fire; never more than 1-2 seconds in the pocket. His only flaw may have been staring down receivers, which led to the handful of batted balls. But that was largely because his primary route on the pre-snap read was almost always available.

It may sound like hyperbole, but based on that performance, he would start for a large number of Division 1 schools. There may be 1 or 2 other DIII schools out there that come even come close to that level. I thought the O-Line and receiver played into Saturday's success, but it really rested on the shoulders of one individual. Heckendorf designed the plan and Erdmann executed it. Both deserve all the credit in the world. If I knew James Franklin I would call him today and tell him the kid that left his program is a perfect heir apparent to McSorley and he should call him and beg him to come back next year. Caruso should also find out what Heckendorf is getting payed, and offer to double it.

It reminded me a bit of when UST went down to play Monmouth in that first year in the playoffs against Tanney. The difference that time was UST had a gameplan for it because they knew what they were walking into. The offense also didn't screw the pooch with 5 turnovers in that game. I would be really curious to see how UST would adjust next time around, if there is a next time. Put two safeties over the top, jam the inside routes and force Erdmann to make the sideline throws. They may give up 3-4 yards on a run now and then, but that would have to be the counter. He may still make the throws, but at least you force them to tougher spots on the field and keep it in front of you a bit, until a penalty, a sack, or a mistake is made. The offense can stay with a similar gameplan. They garnered 610 yards. They might want to eliminate the unforced errors though.

Minus the fumble near the goal line I would say Josh Parks was also a pretty clear high level Division 1 talent too. The speed was always there, but he now appears to be a lot stronger and better between the tackles. SJU needs to find a mediocre running back. The SJU line play is decent. But, the RB just barrels right into their backsides without seeing cutback lanes or holes develop. It's a glaring weakness on an otherwise high level offense. The kicking game was a mess for SJU as well.

Talking about good QB's that have played D3, Brett Elliott from Linfield is the best I have ever seen.  The guy left Utah because Alex Smith beat him out for the starting job.  That is all.

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In the WIAC (at least when I was there) there's a 100 man roster cap.  If you're not one of the 100 then you aren't on the team.  So instead of saying SJU and UST need to go up.  Why not put a roster cap and then you have some guys going elsewhere instead of sitting on a bench even though they may have been promised playing time.  If a kid still went there and didn't make it fine don't have to transfer but if they really want to play they see where they actually stand instead of what's promised.  For some that may mean going to a different program which may help some of these other MIAC schools.  For others they may just stay for the academics.  I get it's D3, but if the MIAC is so worried about the other teams keeping up I think this would at least to some extent help spread the talent a little.  The top, SJU and UST, would still have the top guys they want but it would make them decide which guys they actually want to have and to play instead of just hording talent to the sidelines.  The other nice thing would be kids wouldn't have to tell their parents, "I'm the 4th number 8."  Again this is just my thoughts from stuff I've been reading on here.

Might help a little, probably not a lot?  I'm curious what the shift is from the #'s that a team opens with, vs where they are by mid-season.  I'm sure there's some attrition with those high numbers, and the kids that leave would probably not be contributors anywhere else anyway, so it might be a moot change.

I'm just saying if they actually had to tell kids that they wouldn't make the 100 they might think twice about just going to the top team if they know there's a chance they won't make the cut.  If a kid knew they had a choice between possibly being cut and a team that only had 60 to 70 players, but more chance of playing they might make a different decision.  Plus after a few years who knows how good the kid will really be.  It's like D1 where not all 5* recruits turn into amazing players.  Some kids are late bloomers and if they were to happen to end up at any other MIAC school it gives that school a very good player that they may not have had.  And as people can see at the end of current games the 3rd and 4th string are sometimes better than the other teams best.  So like I said it would be a slow process but I do think it would level out the playing field a little.

In the WIAC (at least when I was there) there's a 100 man roster cap.  If you're not one of the 100 then you aren't on the team.  So instead of saying SJU and UST need to go up.  Why not put a roster cap and then you have some guys going elsewhere instead of sitting on a bench even though they may have been promised playing time.  If a kid still went there and didn't make it fine don't have to transfer but if they really want to play they see where they actually stand instead of what's promised.  For some that may mean going to a different program which may help some of these other MIAC schools.  For others they may just stay for the academics.  I get it's D3, but if the MIAC is so worried about the other teams keeping up I think this would at least to some extent help spread the talent a little.  The top, SJU and UST, would still have the top guys they want but it would make them decide which guys they actually want to have and to play instead of just hording talent to the sidelines.  The other nice thing would be kids wouldn't have to tell their parents, "I'm the 4th number 8."  Again this is just my thoughts from stuff I've been reading on here.

Quote from: carletonknights on April 19, 2018, 06:05:03 PM
I have yet to hear anything, but surely they'll have a new HC by the time spring ball rolls around.  If not maybe the coaches still on staff will run a technique heavy spring ball?  Instead of making bets on when SJU announces their new coordinator we should be making bets on when Carleton announces their new coach.

I have a few friends that are still coaching and have heard a few things about it.  Apparently they have been turned down by at least one of the candidates that was a finalist.  Sounded like it's some tough circumstances.  Can't be helping recruiting.

Out of country for 2 weeks and come back to find some big surprises.  How did Stout pull out a W over UST?  It's a tough one for me as I don't like Stout (EC grad), but it is the WIAC.  And is Concordia finally going to break through to the playoffs?  I've thought they had solid teams for a few years, but maybe this is the one.  Definitely setting up for an interesting year as conference play closes in.   

Alabama by double digits.

The massive jump in pay probably helps too.

I don't think it will be Fleck.  I think he is pretty happy where he is and not sure if he would see UM as a step up at this point as he can sit and win the MAC and go to a bigger bowl game.  Don't get me wrong would be great to see him come in to UM, just don't think it's very likely.  Les Miles I think is a long shot.  Bohl I would think would be one they would like as he's done a pretty good job turning around Wyoming, but who knows.  Very interested in seeing how this plays out.