Quote from: blue_jays on January 14, 2018, 07:24:14 PM

Quote from: firstplaceloser on January 14, 2018, 04:57:29 PM

Quote from: blue_jays on January 14, 2018, 10:24:32 AM

Quote from: Mr.Right on January 14, 2018, 05:02:59 AM

Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on January 14, 2018, 12:08:59 AM
Mr.Right -
When your alma mater, Westfield State, lets you commentate a game, please give us all a heads-up.  We'll let you know what we think.  In the meantime, taking cheap potshots at the NCAA D3 Soccer Final Four commentators is unbecoming...even for you.  IMO they did a fine job.  Thank you gentlemen for your work that weekend...well done.

Hey he asked for my opinion and I gave it. If the other poster was not so supercilious to begin with I would have kept my opinion to myself. Figures it would be you to start the NFL style Blitz that will come my way. I know sometimes you Fundamentalist Christians have a problem with facts so for the record I never went to Westfield State. It is a fine school with beautiful facilities but it is not my alma mater. Just remember my fluff is always better than your stuff

Boy, you're a real peach, I bet you're popular at parties...

how typical... someone tells you explain how someone messed up than you get destroyed for saying it. it is starting to become more noticeable on here every year. I was given a whole bunch of sass few years back for saying how I really felt. get over it. we all have our fair knowledge and experience ma in D3 Soccer. but you must do back it up.

and I would love to attend a party with both of you LOL

It's also possible to have opinions without being an a-hole about it too. That's the issue.

both are guilty in this scenario for doing that. but i'm just saying don't ask for someone's opinion
then get angry about it. you would rather him lie to you ??

Quote from: blue_jays on January 14, 2018, 10:24:32 AM

Quote from: Mr.Right on January 14, 2018, 05:02:59 AM

Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on January 14, 2018, 12:08:59 AM
Mr.Right -
When your alma mater, Westfield State, lets you commentate a game, please give us all a heads-up.  We'll let you know what we think.  In the meantime, taking cheap potshots at the NCAA D3 Soccer Final Four commentators is unbecoming...even for you.  IMO they did a fine job.  Thank you gentlemen for your work that weekend...well done.

Hey he asked for my opinion and I gave it. If the other poster was not so supercilious to begin with I would have kept my opinion to myself. Figures it would be you to start the NFL style Blitz that will come my way. I know sometimes you Fundamentalist Christians have a problem with facts so for the record I never went to Westfield State. It is a fine school with beautiful facilities but it is not my alma mater. Just remember my fluff is always better than your stuff

Boy, you're a real peach, I bet you're popular at parties...

how typical... someone tells you explain how someone messed up than you get destroyed for saying it. it is starting to become more noticeable on here every year. I was given a whole bunch of sass few years back for saying how I really felt. get over it. we all have our fair knowledge and experience ma in D3 Soccer. but you must do back it up.

and I would love to attend a party with both of you LOL

Mr Righr has a point though, Dmac was triggered bc we didn't agree with their votes. get over it, opinions are exactly that. and we all have one. Mr Right is probably one of the most dedicated on this forum so he should be allowed to say whatever he wants about the voters. I can bet that he watches more D3 soccer than some of those voters.

I found Mr.Right's initial observations and questions on this topic rather benign, so in that regard I thought the reaction was over the top.  This was by far, IMHO, Mr.Right's "best year," and speaking of consistency he was quite so this year.  Sometimes I think there is a bit of tension between the formal journalistic offerings on the site (which almost without fail are superb) and the informal but often regular contributions from persons like Mr.Right (and some others).  Both make the site what it is and something that so many of us truly enjoy.  And in this particular year Mr.Right's contribution (talking about the columns/articles and message board only) was as large and appreciated as anyone's this side of Mr. Blooter.

I will 100% give Mr Right the credit he deserves this year. we don't agree often but that's what makes it great. and whoever said something about how words get twisted on here is so right. I am also surprised this topic is this popular. everyone and every player knows rankns are just rankings.

Quote from: Flying Weasel on December 08, 2017, 11:32:19 PM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2017, 09:53:05 PM
The NCAA has a tournament to determine who wins it for the NCAA... not a national poll which isn't even involved. A national poll isn't obligated to take that information and plot it out accordingly especially when the bracket doesn't include only the best teams and in a way that would help make sure the top teams get to the end (not arguing for changing the tournament, just pointing out the differences).

No voter should be obligated to vote how the tournament finishes outside of the top team - though, I know of times it has been an interesting conversation.

Exactly.  We had this discussion two years ago I think.  Some people seem to want to neuter the poll and make it little more than a summary of the the NCAA tournament as if they can't just go to the completed tournament bracket to find out who advanced how far.  First, that's not what a poll is, and two, if that's what you want, you have the NSCAA USC "poll".

I absolutely understand what you are and saying and I agree the tournament shouldn't determine your final ranking but the #1 and 2 spot should go to the two teams who battled all season to make it to that point. 3-25 can be determined however their hearts desire

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2017, 09:53:05 PM

Quote from: firstplaceloser on December 08, 2017, 02:49:46 PM
I agree 100% also how can chicago finish above NPU. don't the teams play a final 4 to determine who is 1 and 2? usually 3 and 4 are an easier determination.

The NCAA has a tournament to determine who wins it for the NCAA... not a national poll which isn't even involved. A national poll isn't obligated to take that information and plot it out accordingly especially when the bracket doesn't include only the best teams and in a way that would help make sure the top teams get to the end (not arguing for changing the tournament, just pointing out the differences).

No voter should be obligated to vote how the tournament finishes outside of the top team - though, I know of times it has been an interesting conversation.

Chicago dominated North Park in their semifinal appearance. Because North Park advanced on a shoot-out that went eight frames, they are automatically better and should be ranked higher than Chicago? The Maroons outshot the Vikings 20-5 (18-1 after regulation, I think). The Maroons actually scored on the Vikings, despite the call being incorrect. And North Park was searching for answers throughout the game.

If I was voting (and I used to), I would have had Chicago ahead of North Park in the final rankings as well. I am sure the voters saw the same game most of us saw and the only way I would have ranked North Park ahead of Chicago was if they won the national championship (interestingly if that had happened, I would have put Chicago second as well).

Quote from: Mr.Right on December 08, 2017, 02:54:27 PM
Yea I would think so especially with north park defeating Chicago in the regular season as well.

That game in most voter's minds is going to be irrelevant compared to the most recent game. The poll is about now, not October.

im going to go out on a limb here and say you are one of the ones who voted Chicago ahead of NPU...    you are very passionate about the NCAA it's cool to hve someone like that around here. but all we think is they screwed that one up a little. not the end of the world

Quote from: blue_jays on December 08, 2017, 05:20:58 PM

Quote from: Mr.Right on December 08, 2017, 02:54:27 PM
Yea I would think so especially with north park defeating Chicago in the regular season as well.

They likely looked at the NCAA semifinal as the better indicator, which UChicago controlled throughout and had their full complement of players, unlike the October matchup which did not feature Adeosun or Romero.
Also looking at body of work for the season, the Maroons played a harder schedule and also had a much tougher road to the Final Four. IMO the ranking is correct.

yeah i'd have to agree that they def got it right. just do t think it's right in a way. you don't make a national final by accident. give them some respect. sheesh

Quote from: Mr.Right on December 08, 2017, 02:28:01 PM
Interesting that Sweet 16 side Stevens did not even make the cut. Granted they were over matched and did not have a great regular season but still were 13-7-2. In 2013, Williams made it to the Final 4 but had an equally unimpressive final record at 15-7-0 but they finished up ranked #8.

I agree 100% also how can chicago finish above NPU. don't the teams play a final 4 to determine who is 1 and 2? usually 3 and 4 are an easier determination.

Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on December 05, 2017, 12:24:39 PM

d4_pace.  Welcome.  Solid name

That 2014 Messiah team just might have been better than the 2013 squad... I still put the 2013 as one of their best in program history, regardless of record.   I have not witnessed a better front 6.

If Brandt did not use a season of eligibility at Palm Beach, will be protest for an additional year in 2019 if he continues his education?

yeah I was going to say their 2013 team was better than 2014.

Quote from: wchandy22 on December 04, 2017, 05:48:59 PM

Quote from: firstplaceloser on December 03, 2017, 06:13:02 PM
random question. where do Messiah commits normally play? what level and what clubs? NJ has a few well known teams so I wasn't sure

I don't know if anyone answered your question regarding clubs. I can only answer for those recruits from this area (central PA). Many of them played for PA Classics.  Other clubs include North Union United and SuperNova FC.  I believe Christian Pulisic first gained notoriety while playing for PA Classics.  His father used to coach there ... actually his father coached at LVC before that.  Small world.

that's what I was looking for haha. but yes I am aware of PA Classics they first came about years ago when a guy named Matt Driver started a high level league for kids and we played against PA Classics so many times.

this might be a better thread to ask this but what clubs do messiah recruit from in the area? which clubs are the best in your area?

I played this team in the late 90s tourney and luckily got by them, only to find a Messiah alum coaching the next opponent in the final 4.
They are everywhere, and have been spreading good soccer for decades now.
Tough to root against this team, even when you want to.

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they really are EVERYWHERE. a lot of coaches that I speak too are college alumni and some are college coaches now. Soccer around NJ is really starting to improve. can't speak for PA DE area but from the looks of it id say they are doing alright.

random question. where do Messiah commits normally play? what level and what clubs? NJ has a few well known teams so I wasn't sure

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2017, 11:22:01 AM
No. Teams who lose are traditionally sent home the next day (or that night in some sports/cases). If teams stay, the schools have to foot the bill - ala I wonder if Chicago men will stay to support the women.

Also, if they do stay to Sunday... they can't always go home Sunday night. Furthermore, if you had a Hope, Calvin, Wheaton, etc. here, the games would then be pushed to Monday and that is even more money.

Back to my original point: DII gets 5.0% of the NCAA overall operating budget and they have 1/3 or so the numbers DIII has... whose operating budget is 3.1%. Those are the cards dealt. They aren't going to change. DIII has looked into changing aspects of all their tournaments like adding a day in between - it has been talked about often. The costs have not been favorable to make such a change especially after having just come out of a major budget tightening few years.

you aren't really proving anything here... yeah losing team goes home when they lose what does that have to do with the winning teams playing on sunday.. in 2013 we played friday night and saturday night. we still had the hotel on sunday and if the game was at 12pm they would be able to leave later that night. I experienced it first hand. it's not fair to the players.

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 01, 2017, 10:23:37 PM

Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 30, 2017, 01:56:37 PM
wow at least D2 understand that players need that days rest in between games. you shouldn't have to work your entire season to be thanked with a national championship game the day after the semi finals...

DII has plenty of money to burn to pay for the extra hotels, busses, food, etc. They have a healthy budget compared to DIII.

the players have the hotel until sunday anyway. what are they paying extra for..?

yeah i'm worries for North Park. they did not impress me like the first 2 weekends. but still they did what they needed to win.

this is also the reason I do not agree with the back to back games. two overtime games, kids are absolutely exhausted but hey guess what you get to wake up tomorrow and do it all over again!! they better pray they have a few extra CCs of adrenaline tomorrow