I'm not a fan of six team regionals. Why not have eight 8-team regionals?

Quote from: bleedpurple on April 27, 2018, 01:57:11 PMSo you are willing to own up to two of your motives, but probably not the third.  Now, along with UW-W, you've impugned the WIAC and the NCAA. Nice. However, since you are the one attempting to cast suspicion upon an action as a possible violation by UW-W, the burden is on YOU to establish the violation.  Here is the pertinent information from the link you posted.  Please show me the rule UW-W is violating:

13.4.2 Advertisements and Promotions.

13.4.2.1 Recruiting Advertisements. The publication of advertising or promotional material, by or on behalf of a member institution, designed to solicit the enrollment of a prospective student-athlete is not permitted. Accordingly, a member institution may not buy or arrange to have space in game programs or other printed materials published to provide information concerning the athletics participation or evaluation of prospective student-athletes (e.g., recruiting publications and multi-media such as list-serves, or other electronic media) for any purpose whatsoever, including advertisements, a listing of prospective or enrolled student-athletes who will attend the institution and informative materials related to the institution. (Revised: 1/13/98, 1/9/06, 4/29/09, 1/31/18)

13.4.2.1.1 Exception -- Nonathletics Institutional Advertisements. An institution (or a third party acting on behalf of the institution) may publish nonathletics institutional advertisements in nonathletics high school or two-year college publications (e.g., yearbooks, newspapers, music programs, prom programs) and other nonathletics publications or produce nonathletics institutional promotional material (e.g., use of signs, kiosks, distribution of printed materials, television and radio advertisements, electronic advertisements) for use at high school or two-year college athletics events or during broadcasts of such events, provided: [D] (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

(a) The funds generated by the advertisements or promotional material are not used for a high school or a two-year college's athletics program;

(b) The institution's athletics department is not involved in the advertisements or promotional material; and

(c) The advertisements or promotional material do not contain athletics information.

13.4.2.2 Miscellaneous Promotions. Member institutions and their representatives of athletics interests are prohibited from financing, arranging or using recruiting aids (e.g., newspaper advertisements, bumper stickers, message buttons) designed to publicize the institution's interest in a particular prospective student-athlete. [D] (Revised: 1/13/98)

I honestly don't see one single thing in here that addresses what UW-W is doing.

Really? You don't see anything? Let me underline and bold a few that I see.

1. An institution (Whitewater) is arranging space (a commercial) with information about athletics via electronic media (TV).
2. Whitewater's athletic department is involved.
3. The advertisement does contain information about athletics (they show a whole list of national titles).

Quote from: BigSpotScott on April 26, 2018, 11:40:03 PMTouching on another point, I don't believe the NCAA or the WIAC stand to gain anything from enforcing this rule. UWW is probably the most recognizable D3 college in the country, so the WIAC definitely has nothing to gain as this would only hurt their prestige. On the other hand, the NCAA has much more pressing issues like D1 player recruitment, and making sure I can never buy an new College Football video game. Besides, the ad is obviously ineffective as we see UWW's dynasty coming to an end.

The reason I reintroduced this topic is twofold. One, I love irritating UWW fans who are easily butt-hurt. And two, I really wanted a better explanation than "they must have done their research, so it must be okay" or "they haven't gotten in trouble, so it's clearly legal" (Paraphrasing here). Under that logic, Hillary Clinton's email server was within the law.

Go Warhawks!

I would argue the WIAC would stand to lose a prospective baseball member who might be thinking along the lines of "We would have a hard enough time competing with these guys and now they're cheating!?!? No thanks."

Quote from: BigPoppa on April 17, 2018, 02:17:04 PM

Quote from: cubs on April 17, 2018, 01:23:16 PM

Quote from: BigPoppa on April 16, 2018, 07:11:54 PM
I think part of the reason Wisconsin's D3s are so good nationally is that they often get D1/D2 type kids who fall into their laps as very few D1 schools recruit Wisconsin (Arkansas seems to always grab a kid or two).

If what I am hearing is accurate, there is a pair of kids from the same high school that will be heading to Arkansas in the Fall of 2019 to play baseball....  There was a time where I thought both would end up playing in the WIAC.

My point exactly... Arkansas has ALWAYS found a few kids there. Not many others make much effort in the state.

Arkansas doesn't pick up Wisconsin kids by random chance. Arkansas' connection to Wisconsin comes from their longtime Coach Norm DeBriyn. DeBriyn was an Ashland native, played two years of football and baseball at UWO, and coached at Hortonville HS before moving on to Northern Colarado before a lengthy and successful career at Arkansas. http://www.uwoshkoshtitans.com/HallofFame/Year/Releases/1991

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 07, 2018, 07:25:24 PM
We haven't kept it a secret and have been doing it long enough that at the least the conference commissioner should know about it.  I don't know the rules that well but I'm doubting your understanding.  We simply purchased advertising from Fox Sports.  I suspect Oshkosh could do the same.

WARHAWKS take two ten run rule shortened games with Stout 14-4, 11-1 today.  Bryden goes 4x5 with 4 RBIs and Jones gets 8Ks and the win in game one.  Rentz allows 4 hits and strikes out 6 while Sontoro gets 3 hits and a pair of RBI in game two.   

A balmy 33 was the best it got today.  Two more tomorrow.

It's a violation. You can't recruit athletes via advertisements on TV. If you could I guarantee you would see every D1 school doing it. Especially something like UW-Milwaukee basketball.

Can someone please explain to me how UWW is able to advertise their athletic programs during Brewers and Bucks games? I have been wondering about this for the last two years of seeing the commercials on TV. To my understanding it's a blatant NCAA violation.

Truly believe that this will be Oshkosh's year to win the conference outright. The early season has only reaffirmed what I had been thinking all off season. This Titan team is loaded with talented and experience. They've already racked up some quality wins in a tough non-conference schedule. I think the conference will come down to UWO and UWW.

Had a chance to see UWO in person against MSOE. Defense and offense looked solid. Starting pitching is a plus as well. Bullpen struggled a bit but if Scott Gorsuch can put it all together he would be the ideal pitcher to slam the door shut in big games later in the season.

Didn't get a chance to see any of the UWO vs. UWW series but I heard it was even uglier to see in person than it was looking at the box scores.

You can call me crazy but I think UWO has as good of a shot of winning the conference tourney as any #4 seed that we've seen.It is going to be very difficult for UWW to beat UWO five times in a row. If UWO can win game #1 with UWW, then they'll most likely avoid having to face Boushley or Ericson in round 2. I'm not saying I would bet on UWO to win the conference tournament or that they are the favorites but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they won it.

So how is the seeding going to work?

Does Point get the 2 seed because they took a game or two from UWW IIRC?

Then who gets the #3 seed?

Quote from: cubs on May 04, 2017, 02:03:22 PM
In my opinion, La Crosse needs to sweep Platteville in order to head into the WIAC Tournament at 26-14.  Adding two losses onto their profile against a pair of Top 30 SOS teams likely won't hurt their chances at a Pool C bid, and 27-16 or even 26-16 at worse might still be enough to get them in.  They clearly have the best chance of earning a Pool C (unless Whitewater is upset in the WIAC Tournament) among WIAC teams based on being ranked #6 in the second edition of the Midwest Regional rankings which were released this morning.

UWO needs to at least get a split this weekend, and even then I am not sure they would be able to jump La Crosse in the Pool C pecking order, despite possibly finishing ahead of La Crosse in the WIAC standings.  Falling out of the Midwest Regional rankings this week obviously hurts their chances, but splitting with Whitewater this weekend would likely go a long way in returning to the rankings in Week #3.

Stevens Point needs to sweep Stout, and probably would still need to win multiple games at the WIAC Tournament to have even a minuscule shot, like 0.1%.  While the SOS number is great, it likely wouldn't be enough to cancel out the 18 losses (at best)on their record.  Rowan had the #3 SOS last year, but since they went 24-18, it didn't matter as they were left on the outside looking in.  In my opinion, Stevens Point would need to win the WIAC Tournament to qualify for Regionals this year.

Obviously if UWO wins three out of four this weekend against Whitewater (I personally don't see it happening) all of the above would be for naught, but as of today this is how I see things in the WIAC.

Thoughts from anyone else?

This situation reminds of 2012 when UWW finished third and UWSP finished second. UWSP, even though they finished ahead of UWW, lost the first two games of the conference tournament and UWW went 2-2 in the conference tourney and got the at-large bid.

The only way I could see UWL getting in after finishing third in the conference would be if they could pick up two games in the conference tourney AND UWO were two get bounced in their first two games. I just don't see it happening and even if it did, they'll be a long shot.

Quote from: Baseball Geek on April 27, 2017, 04:12:47 PM

Quote from: TitanDoubles on April 26, 2017, 01:37:12 PM

Quote from: cubs on April 25, 2017, 10:25:15 AM
Now that teams have close to 30 games in and we are over half way through the WIAC regular season, who does everyone think is the favorite for the WIAC Pitcher and Position Player of the Year awards?

Does Caleb Boushley make it back-to-back seasons winning the Pitcher of the Year award, or do Austin Jones, Heath Renz or Colan Treml prevent it from happening?

With Johnny Eagan leading the WIAC in hits, runs scored  and OBP%, is he in the running for the Position Player of the Year, or do the power numbers of Steve Chamberlain or Blake Fleischman trump him?

Gotta believe unlike last season, both of the winners might not be decided until the final WIAC game of the season....  Should be interesting!!!

What stats do they use for POYs and All Conference teams? Is it conference stats only or cumulative?

From the 2017 WIAC Sport Code
All-Conference/Players of the Year
The WIAC All-Conference Baseball Team, consisting of 12 position players (regardless of position) and eight (8) pitchers, and Players of the Year will be selected by the coaches at the conclusion of the regular season as follows:
 Coaches may nominate players from their team only.
 Coaches must vote for 12 position players and eight (8) pitchers.
 Coaches cannot vote for their own players.
 Any player not selected, but receiving one (1) or more votes, will be given honorable mention recognition and will receive a certificate.
 Only conference statistics will be used in the selection process.
 All-conference selections will receive a plaque from the conference.
 A position player and pitcher will be designated as players of the year. The recipients will receive plaques provided by Rawlings.

Thanks. Conference stats definitely makes more sense but I wasn't quite sure.

Quote from: cubs on April 25, 2017, 10:25:15 AM
Now that teams have close to 30 games in and we are over half way through the WIAC regular season, who does everyone think is the favorite for the WIAC Pitcher and Position Player of the Year awards?

Does Caleb Boushley make it back-to-back seasons winning the Pitcher of the Year award, or do Austin Jones, Heath Renz or Colan Treml prevent it from happening?

With Johnny Eagan leading the WIAC in hits, runs scored  and OBP%, is he in the running for the Position Player of the Year, or do the power numbers of Steve Chamberlain or Blake Fleischman trump him?

Gotta believe unlike last season, both of the winners might not be decided until the final WIAC game of the season....  Should be interesting!!!

What stats do they use for POYs and All Conference teams? Is it conference stats only or cumulative?

Things are setting up nicely for UWO. They've got an outside chance of hosting but even if that doesn't happen it looks like they'll be matching up with UWSP in the first round of the conference tourney. They won't have to face Boushley or everything that UWW has to throw at you. Maybe they can steal a game in the 2nd round from UWW and be in the driver's seat for the rest of the tournament and get the automatic bid.

Quote from: Baseball Geek on April 18, 2017, 11:03:56 AM

Quote from: TitanDoubles on April 18, 2017, 10:13:47 AM
What metrics does the NCAA use for measuring SOS? I thought I remembered looking at something last year. Links would be appreciated. Thanks.

This isn't the most current version, but I believe pages 51-52 outline it. https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/MAN_DIII_Champs_Comm_2015-16_2.pdf

Thanks. If I knew how to dish out karma I would.

What metrics does the NCAA use for measuring SOS? I thought I remembered looking at something last year. Links would be appreciated. Thanks.