Quote from: Flying Weasel on November 09, 2018, 03:39:57 PM
So, the single 16-team ECAC Tournament kicks off today as well (up until a few years ago they did three or four regional tournaments of 6 or 8 teams each).  According to the ECAC website, 33 teams declared for the tournament this year.  This declaration happens prior to completion of conference tournaments and the announcement of the NCAA at-large berths.  Ends up five of the declared teams made the NCAA tournament (3 by AQ, 2 by Pool C at-large berth). 

Interesting to note that Brandeis and Ithaca both declared but neither is among the 16 teams participating.  Turned down by the ECAC?  Ouch!  Unless they changed their minds and withdrew.   Don't see how you don't take Ithaca if they want in.  Brandeis, being sub-.500 maybe is understandable. 

Back-to-back champion Lebanon Valley did not declare so they could go for the three-peat.  Wonder why not.  Up to four more competitive games for your players (especially the underclassmen).  I understand why Messiah wouldn't have declared back in 2015, but any program trying to get to the next level and become relevant and become an NCAA tournament team should be taking advantage of the chance to get in some more competitive games, right?

The ECAC tournament can be tough.  Obviously in an ideal setting it's a valuable thing for your team, but imagine how difficult it is for 20 year old kids to get excited about it.  They started the year with a goal of winning a championship and making the tournament, worked hard every day in the offseason, made huge sacrifices and then they come up short of their goal.  Two days later they have to turn around and get over their disappointment and play in a tournament they don't want to be in anyway.  It's a difficult thing for teams to do, and I think it's the reason some teams opt out.

Both points made regarding the job are correct. Pay was rumored to be very light, and Admissions isn't providing much support. These are things I heard from a friend who is a former long time d3 coach.

I will say I think much of the reason the former Coach left Haverford is because he wanted to be a Division 1 Head Coach one day. Look at the jobs the last two Colgate Assistants and the jobs they took  Both took very good head coaching positions.

Seems like a great hire. Word has it the Haverford position wasn't as appealing for many reasons as one would think.

This guy will have knowledge of the conference, familiarity with coaching a strong program, and an understanding of recruiting to a stronger academic school. 

In fairness, they play in the same conference. Their game against Haverford, or someone else is obviously important but a conference foe will always get more energy and emotion.

Calling Lancaster one of the great places to visit in the Country is a gigantic stretch, but I do agree that the Centennial has some great schools. Playing style may or may not matter for your kid. Hopkins for instance played some incredible possession this year, F&M is typically a bit direct. 

If I was a kid looking at Centennail level schools, Hopkins would be the first place I started.

Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on February 18, 2018, 06:21:38 PM
I wonder what this will do for Haverford's recruits? They need a new coach ASAP! Could lose an entire class due to the timing of this departure.

My guess is they more then others will be pretty secure with their commitments. It's an incredible academic school, so my guess is a kid who got accepted is willing to wait a few months to see what shakes out here.  Second, the kids committed there have been committed since the early Fall. It's not like they committed two weeks ago.

Going to be a ton of qualified applicants.  Haverford will have to decide they want a D3 Head Coach, D3 Assistant or a D1 Asst. I'm sure they have multiple applicants from all of those backgrounds.

Quote from: Mr.Right on February 03, 2018, 02:07:32 PM

Quote from: blooter442 on February 02, 2018, 03:36:25 PM
Rineer leaves Haverford for the top assistant job at Colgate.

http://www.haverfordathletics.com/sports/msoc/2017-18/releases/20180202ff2fmm

I do not understand this move..Unless he desperately wanted D1 or had to get out of dodge for some reason. Maybe he figured he could not take Haverford any further than he took them but I find this hard to believe. Maybe someone with more insight on this could comment because this move doesn't make much sense for me unless maybe his wife got a job at Colgate or something like that having to do with family.

He had to have a dream of being a D1 guy one day. I know you disagree, but the odds of going from D3 Head Coach directly to D1 Head Coach are very slim. Look at all the D1 jobs that opened this year. Not a single D3 Head Coach received one of them.

This job will have a ton of good applicants. D1 Assistants, D3 Head Coaches, D3 Assistants. It's a strong academic school (which is an immense advantage at D3), talented roster, and in a great area. Jobs like this don't come up often.

Quote from: blooter442 on February 02, 2018, 03:36:25 PM
Rineer leaves Haverford for the top assistant job at Colgate.

http://www.haverfordathletics.com/sports/msoc/2017-18/releases/20180202ff2fmm

Wow. Could certainly change The mid Atlantic. He did a fantastic job at Haverford. Going to certainly be missed there. Will be interesting to see who gets the job.

Quote from: EB2319 on January 15, 2018, 05:31:54 PM

Quote from: luckylefty on January 13, 2018, 10:35:20 PM
Not sure what thread to put this in, but there are currently two head coaching jobs up for grabs. Centenary has let their HC go. Not sure what the deal was as they have had some moderate success.

Any idea where Centenary coach is going? He's also the AD, but I see he's not listed on the site anymore.

He didn't leave to take another position I don't think....

Mr. Right, you could be right in all of the things you stated, or maybe the coach came unwound and had some personal beef against this kid. He apparently played the fathers tape for the kid to hear before kicking him off the team. That to me makes it sound like more then just recording it to protect himself. Comes across more as some personal vendetta that made the coach lose his way.

Not sure what thread to put this in, but there are currently two head coaching jobs up for grabs. Centenary has let their HC go. Not sure what the deal was as they have had some moderate success.

Moravians coach got fired after recording a conversation with a disgruntled parents, which is a felony in PA.

Anyone hear anything about these two specific positions? Any other jobs opening?

Quote from: Mr.Right on January 03, 2018, 01:47:31 PM

Quote from: Mr.Right on December 15, 2017, 01:55:38 PM

Quote from: luckylefty on December 15, 2017, 01:49:41 PM
I didn't base a single thing on what Cooke was thinking.  I said "It's tough to say Cooke leaving Darthmouth for the Union was a bad move", which I absolutely stand by.  You have no idea what he was looking for, nor do I, but I would never come out and say something was a bad move when the guy has a stable job in one of the best academies in the MLS.

It is not as stable a job as Dartmouth. Like I said if the Technical Director leaves and a new one comes in he could quite possibly clean house. Also, Cook got his Professional License while at Dartmouth. To me that means he thought he was good enough to coach in a more challenging role than Dartmouth. Those are not easy licenses to get and take a lot of time and cost a ton of money to get. You do not go and get one of those licenses to go coach an academy team. Makes no sense. He must have thought he would take a chance and get into an MLS situation with the hope of eventually coaching in MLS. That has not happened as of yet and I doubt it ever will. I am basing my point on fact(professional license) and also opinion. You are basing your point on pure conjecture.

Just to put a bow on this whole back and forth conveniently Jeff Cook has just been hired to be Men's Soccer Head Coach at Penn State.


http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/010218aaa.html

Looks like that "bad move" to the Union didn't work out so badly after all.

I didn't base a single thing on what Cooke was thinking.  I said "It's tough to say Cooke leaving Darthmouth for the Union was a bad move", which I absolutely stand by.  You have no idea what he was looking for, nor do I, but I would never come out and say something was a bad move when the guy has a stable job in one of the best academies in the MLS.

Quote from: Mr.Right on December 15, 2017, 01:05:25 PM

Quote from: luckylefty on December 14, 2017, 08:53:31 PM
It's hard to say Cooke leaving Dartmouth for the Union was a bad move.  College coaching is a grind, and being able to step back and Coach Academy kids and not have to worry about recruiting, or budgets or anything else, and at the same time getting to coach incredibly high level teams?

There is ALOT of college coaches that would sign up for that.

Seems like Wheeler has been out of the D1 game for a long time, makes a direct jump there as a Head Coach even more difficult.

This is complete nonsense...Cook leaving Dartmouth was a HUGE mistake...He went to get his "Professional License" before leaving Dartmouth. Yes that is the same license Brandt got fired for not having at Pittsburgh. So Cook had the mindset of coaching professionally. His ego got in the way of his career. He leaves Dartmouth which is a very "safe" D1 job that unless you totally screw it up you would have for your career. He THINKS by going to coach in Philadelphia's youth system and with that license he would eventually coach in MLS. That was a tremendous mistake. Technical Director's usually have total control over the MLS teams youth system so if the Technical Director is fired or leaves it is quite possible that the new Technical Director would clean house and bring in his own guys. Cook is still in that same role so that has not happened yet BUT he took a pay cut for sure and for what? Coaching an MLS U-15 or U-14 Youth team? Give me a break...Are you really saying that is a more challenging role than coaching college age kids at Dartmouth? If it is than you have no clue what you are talking about.

That wasnt even close to my point.  My point was that being able to not have to travel as much, coach an incredibly high level academy team, and be able to forget about recruiting and everything else is a job many college coaches would be interested in.  It's easy to say it was a HUGE MISTAKE, but you have zero idea where this guy was in his life and what he actually wanted.  Maybe he just got tired of the college soccer recruiting grind and wanted to just coach soccer? Maybe he also got a huge pay bump.  Who knows, but to say this was a mistake means you would have to know exactly what Cooke was looking for and what he thought about college soccer.  Which obviously none of us do. He also coaches the Union U-18's not their u-14's or u-15's.  He's had the opportunity to coach a ton of outrageously high level players over the past few years, and that will only continue.  Some of them are better players then he would have ever had the chance to coach at Dartmouth (Derrick Jones for instance).

Being out of the D1 game for as long as Wheeler has matters for one reason.  He hasn't had to manage scholarships in 20 years.  You cannot overlook how complicated and difficult that is.  You mismanage two scholarships and you set your program back for years.  That obviously doesn't apply to the Ivy's you mentioned because they don't do athletic scholarships, but for other D1's that absolutely matters and its a real barrier.  There is no doubt he could lead a program, manage a staff etc, he is already doing that.  But can he manage athletic scholarships?  You can be great in every single facet, but if you make mistakes with your athletic offers you will be boxed in.  I'm not saying he couldn't be great, I'm just saying it will give AD's pause.