Quote from: Flying Weasel on November 18, 2019, 03:06:10 PM

Quote from: Falconer on November 18, 2019, 02:38:38 PM
Although watched the whole game (Messiah v Onteonta) on the stream, the picture was small, sometimes the camera wasn't pointing at the action (including on Messiah's second goal), and otherwise wasn't exactly the best. So, I have two questions for anyone who was actually at the game--sure you would have had a much better view.

(1) The play that resulted in the PK for Messiah, when the keeper collided with or took down Luke Groothoff: All I could see was two guys appear to make contact, as Groothoff was heading directly for the goal with the ball at his feet; then they were both on the ground, and Grootoff took a lot longer to get up. I saw the penalty being called. What actually happened? Was the play also carded?

(2) Oneonta scored when their main scorer (Hernandez) knocked one in from close in front, amidst some defenders. It looked good to me and it counted, but I noticed that Messiah's keeper had a conversation with the official afterwards, making gestures I was unable to see too clearly. What was his complaint? Was perhaps Hernandez offside? Did he perhaps shove one or two defenders out of the way? If anyone saw that play more clearly, just curious to hear the full story. Maybe it was just making something out of nothing, but Falcon players don't customarily do that...

I also watched the on-line stream with the poor camera work. 

On the PK, I think the foul occurred only a couple steps inside the left edge of the box and I don't remember it as Groothoff heading directly for goal at the time of the foul. My memory has Groothoff starting left of center and breaking past a defender by carrying the ball a little wider and with the keeper coming out to challenge he continued taking the ball wider to attempt elude the keeper.  And I thought it was the goalkeeper who stayed on the ground longer.

On the Hernandez goal, I assumed Messiah was claiming handball which I had no way of having an opinion on with the camera zoomed out and the number of bodies in the area preventing a clean view of it.

The game video is still available online at https://livestream.com/accounts/14594035.  Scroll down to "Past Events".

The run-up to the Oneonta goal starts at 0:43:58 of the video timeline.  The ball definitely appears to bounce up and hit his arm and most of the Falcons were calling for a hand ball.

The run-up to the foul on LG starts at 1:43:15.

Quote from: NEsoccerfan on November 19, 2018, 04:57:43 PM

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Quote from: Flying Weasel on November 18, 2018, 03:09:59 PM

Quote from: NEsoccerfan on November 18, 2018, 03:00:28 PM

Quote from: Flying Weasel on November 18, 2018, 02:45:37 PM
Wow.  Rochester go up 2-1 with under 8 to play when a Messiah player was unable to clear the ball before it broke the goal-line plane.

According to the stats, it was a cross that hit off the keeper for an own goal. I'm curious how that happened, as Messiah's keeper has been quite solid in the handful of games I've seen this year.

I really feel for Nick West after the spectacular season he had. The only consolation is that he has a title from last year. With his pace and aggression, I feel that he can compete at the next level and am hoping this isn't the end of his soccer career.

The video wasn't the best quality (at least for me) and I couldn't catch exactly what happened with the ball before it was surprisingly goal-bound.  Before the whistle even blew, I kind of figured it had crossed the plane before being cleared away.  Not the kind of goal you want to go out on, but the overall performance this weekend from the Falcons was not what it needed to be.

Nick West certainly did all he could this year to help Messiah be successful.  But in my opinion they were too reliant on him--not intentionally per se.  Lots of great players out there including a few at Chicago, etc., but West has to be a finalist for POY.

https://uofrathletics.com/news/2018/11/18/mens-soccer-will-play-at-final-four-after-2-1-win-over-messiah.aspx

The Rochester website has a recap up that has video of the goal (starting at 1:49).

Micah Fitz (#17, for non-Messiah fans) tries to clear a crossed ball at the top of the box, but almost whiffs on it and it goes deeper into the box.  Bell gets ready to catch it, but as he's jumping up, there is some contact with a Rochester player who had jumped slightly earlier and is now coming down.  Didn't seem to be a whole lot of contact but it was enough to prevent Bell from catching it and it bounces off of his hands and across the line.

I don't really know if it was a foul or not and think that Bell could have gone up more aggressively, but I'm not sure about the rule about contact with the GK on that kind of play.  I'm curious to hear what other people think. 

Overall, a pretty bizarre way to give up the winning goal.

Great find. Couple notes:
(1) The UR goalie is quite short (but see point 2 below).
(2) I'm not sure what was more impressive, the effort on the header by Nick West or the save by the aforementioned tiny UR goalie. Both were spectacular.
(3) The first goal by UR was absolute CLASS. That requires so much skill and a good dose of luck as well.
(4) The goal by Nick West was straight out of a karate movie. What a flexible/sneaky touch by him on that volley.
(5) I believe it was #10, not #17 on the botched clearance that lead to the game winning goal.
(6) You can't call the game winner a foul. It was a clean challenge.

Totally agree on 1 - 5 (5 - that's what I get for not watching it full screen (or on a bigger screen) and my apologies to Mr. Fitz.)
6 - Maybe I wasn't clear, but I wasn't calling it a foul.  I'm not trying to take anything away from Rochester at all.  Just wasn't clear on the rule *on what was allowable contact) and wanted to see what people thought.

Quote from: Flying Weasel on November 18, 2018, 03:09:59 PM

Quote from: NEsoccerfan on November 18, 2018, 03:00:28 PM

Quote from: Flying Weasel on November 18, 2018, 02:45:37 PM
Wow.  Rochester go up 2-1 with under 8 to play when a Messiah player was unable to clear the ball before it broke the goal-line plane.

According to the stats, it was a cross that hit off the keeper for an own goal. I'm curious how that happened, as Messiah's keeper has been quite solid in the handful of games I've seen this year.

I really feel for Nick West after the spectacular season he had. The only consolation is that he has a title from last year. With his pace and aggression, I feel that he can compete at the next level and am hoping this isn't the end of his soccer career.

The video wasn't the best quality (at least for me) and I couldn't catch exactly what happened with the ball before it was surprisingly goal-bound.  Before the whistle even blew, I kind of figured it had crossed the plane before being cleared away.  Not the kind of goal you want to go out on, but the overall performance this weekend from the Falcons was not what it needed to be.

Nick West certainly did all he could this year to help Messiah be successful.  But in my opinion they were too reliant on him--not intentionally per se.  Lots of great players out there including a few at Chicago, etc., but West has to be a finalist for POY.

https://uofrathletics.com/news/2018/11/18/mens-soccer-will-play-at-final-four-after-2-1-win-over-messiah.aspx

The Rochester website has a recap up that has video of the goal (starting at 1:49).

Micah Fitz (#17, for non-Messiah fans) tries to clear a crossed ball at the top of the box, but almost whiffs on it and it goes deeper into the box.  Bell gets ready to catch it, but as he's jumping up, there is some contact with a Rochester player who had jumped slightly earlier and is now coming down.  Didn't seem to be a whole lot of contact but it was enough to prevent Bell from catching it and it bounces off of his hands and across the line.

I don't really know if it was a foul or not and think that Bell could have gone up more aggressively, but I'm not sure about the rule about contact with the GK on that kind of play.  I'm curious to hear what other people think. 

Overall, a pretty bizarre way to give up the winning goal. 

Quote from: rudy on November 13, 2018, 12:51:38 PM

Quote from: Dave B on November 13, 2018, 09:26:11 AM
My vote for "feel-good" story of the tournament to this point is Jeremy Payne's (Messiah '14) Eastern Eagles heading to the Sweet 16 where they'll play on the site of so many of Payne's accomplishments - Messiah's Shoemaker field.

If Eastern and Messiah both get to Elite 8 and play head to head that will really make for a great story.  Cooper Robbin's brother Kirby is assisting at Eastern as well .

I'm really hoping for that match-up and while I knew that Payne had former Falcons as assistants, I didn't realize that Robbins was one of them.  I hope Cooper is available to play this weekend.

My vote for "feel-good" story of the tournament to this point is Jeremy Payne's (Messiah '14) Eastern Eagles heading to the Sweet 16 where they'll play on the site of so many of Payne's accomplishments - Messiah's Shoemaker field.   

Darryl Daniels, Seton LaSalle H.S. PA, Messiah

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/high-school-soccer/2018/03/07/Seton-LaSalle-Darryl-Daniels-Messiah-Drew-Saxton-South-Fayette-Case-Western/stories/201803090006

Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on December 28, 2017, 12:29:28 AM
When does the NPOY award(s) come out (if the announcement has been made already)?

The USC POY is Shae Bottum of St. Thomas.

https://unitedsoccercoaches.org/web/web/News/Articles/December_2017/United_Soccer_Coaches_announces_National_Players_of_the_Year.aspx

Quote from: Mr.Right on December 02, 2017, 07:08:16 PM
HOLY CRAP....North Park strikes first....Took them 1 minute to throw my anemic offensively description of them out the window...lol....Any possibility Messiah watched their game yesterday and might be a tad over confident....Who knows but UNREAL

I was just typing in the comment that the "Giant Killer" goal came in the first minute or two of the 2014 Tufts game when Messiah put in the equalizer.

Quote from: rudy on November 18, 2017, 09:10:51 AM

Quote from: Flying Weasel on November 18, 2017, 08:22:48 AM
Well, as has been the forecast all week, it's still looking like rain from start to finish of today's games at the Northeast Sectional at Messiah College.

Are you in Grantham today? Has rain started and is it going to be heavy or light rain? Hoping it stays light so no puddles accumulate.

It started at 9:00.  Moderate right now, but the WeatherUnderground App is saying that we'll get about 1/2 an inch between now and 1, so it will probably pick up.   

Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 17, 2017, 10:08:05 PM
that ref has to be at least 7 foot tall. am I the only one who saw this

I was just going to say that!

Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 17, 2017, 06:17:35 PM
Missed the first goal, but saw the second.  Crazy!

Rewind to about 12:55 for the first goal.

Quote from: blooter442 on November 17, 2017, 06:11:32 PM
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I get home at 6:09 and it's 2-0. I figured this one would be a slow burner.

And now a lightning delay, 10 seconds after I tune in! Wow. Rotten luck or... #BlootsConspiracy

Same here.  I tuned in just as the 2nd goal was being scored.  Wow! 

Quote from: rudy on November 17, 2017, 01:16:11 PM

Quote from: Falconer on November 17, 2017, 12:44:17 PM

Quote from: rudy on November 15, 2017, 12:21:13 PM
For Messiah's quadrant this weekend.  Previews of the teams will be up soon I expect..

http://gomessiah.com/sports/2017/11/13/MS111316-20161st2nd.aspx?id=311

Are you planning to be there, Rudy? I will probably spend the whole day in the stands, soaking in the magnificent cloud cover and drizzle, unless it just pours. I might have seen you at the Lyco game--were you perhaps sitting with another son who looks a lot like Shay?

Hi falconer. I was not at Lyco game. Only went to one game to this year in September..cant even remember the  team. I was going to go down this weekend but not sure we'll make it Saturday. If they win Saturday may head there for Sunday game....no rain Sunday! Hope the rain is minimal for Saturday games or the field will be mud by Sunday.  Are you an alumni, former player, or parent of former player? My other son is at college in Florida..not playing sports..guess he had his thrill in HS and couldn't match the team he played for in his junior year. Hope to meet up with you if you are there Sunday

I'll be there on both days (should Messiah take care of business on Sat.).  It would be great to meet up with both of you (and any other forum members who might be there).

Falconer, it's possible that I'm the one you saw at the Lyco game.  I was by there by myself (wife was working and BIL didn't go due to the rain).  Midway through the first half, a young man came up and sat beside me.  When the rain picked back up, I offered to share my umbrella.  It turns out that he is a 2nd semester H.S. senior (Carlisle) and will be coming to Messiah in the spring and joining the team as a GK.  His name is Jared Pavlovich and could definitely pass as Shay Quinton's brother.  He seemed like a really nice kid and it was fun to hear his perspective on the game.  Here's a video I found of him and some teammates taken before their season started.   http://highschoolsports.pennlive.com/news/article/-4779733317751309297/carlisle-boys-soccer-has-a-great-group-in-2017/

Quote from: rudy on November 14, 2017, 11:10:33 AM

Quote from: blooter442 on November 14, 2017, 11:04:21 AM

Quote from: Flying Weasel on November 14, 2017, 10:54:11 AM
For those of us who are unable to watch the games in peace without distractions and interruptions (four kids 6 and under will do that!), having an announcer to listen to while having to turn your attention (and eyes) away from the game, maybe even go into other rooms, is very helpful.  Likewise when trying to multi-task.  You can always mute an announcer you don't like, but there's no way to listen to an announcer that doesn't exist.

The Buffalo St. announcer got overly excited any time it even looked like a player was going to try to shoot.  Name and mastery of Spanish suggested a Hispanic background and his excitability was consistent with the style of announcing that predominates throughout Latin America. He did great with (and seemed to derive great joy from saying) names like Ruiz Plaza, Alejos, etc. even if the abrupt change of accent isn't as smooth on the ears.  (side note: having lived in Brazil for several years, I've repeatedly experienced this in reverse where the Brazilian announcers break their native accent to say an American, English, etc. name leaving me both (a) impressed with the skill to accurately switch accents for a single word (name) while talking a mile a minute, and (b) finding it a little jolting to the ear.)  On the goal call, the announcer just seemed to be trying a little too hard to mimic the goal calls that you'd hear from announcers throughout Latin America.

I can only imagine what people have thought the few times I have stepped in to do play-by-play or color commentary for broadcasts.  Of course, I don't have a lick of training or education or background in this field, so going in I know I'm not going to measure up very well and can only hope that more people are thinking that "any announcer is better than no announcer" instead of thinking that "silence would be better than having to listen to this guy".

I think this is mainly what I was trying to get at. I understand it can be very helpful to have things on in the background, as it's not possible to watch every second of every game -- I am quite guilty of switching tabs when it seems like there's nothing going on, and use the announcer to know when I should be getting back. (Of course, I've missed goals, as sometimes they happen quicker than the announcer can say, and I take full responsibility for that.) So I am grateful for announcers in those circumstances.

That said, I've heard this Buff. St. announcer before, particularly on his call of the goal from the Rochester game, and it just seems that he is trying wayyyyyyyyyy too hard with the "golllllllllllll" schtick, and it seems that he does so in other clips. Considering these are usually the highlights that are presented, rather than run-of-the-mill commentary, perhaps my perspective is distorted and he isn't like that all of the time, but perhaps you can see where I'm coming from. And while all of this might make me sound like a "get off my lawn" curmudgeon, I promise I do like to see people having fun on broadcasts, and I recognize one person's idea of fun may be different than others. I would even say that the call is funny (if I had to hear it just once). That said, there are certain things that I'd rather tune out, and this is one of them (perhaps a moot point since Buff. St. is out).

I appreciated the guys enthusiasm. Not dull at all like many announcers I have heard.  I hate total silence..put a friggin mic on the field at least if no  commentator.  And clearly the goal call was from his Hispanic heritage. Hear that all the time watching the Spanish soccer games. Good fun. Also considering neither team.playing was the home team he did his best to get the names of the players on both sides.

I also thought he did a good job overall.   He was definitely into the game.  I also like it when he rolled the R in Ruiz-Plaza.

But, I thought the GOOOOOOOOOOL call was over the top.  Might be ok for a home goal in a regular season Buff St. game, but not so good for a tournament game. 

Quote from: Falconer on November 14, 2017, 09:29:34 AM
Not to mention that Ruiz Plaza's shot was a rocket, by far the best shot Messiah took all night. The keeper might have mishandled it even if he got to it. He should shoot more, IMO. He gets open looks from outside or just inside the box quite often, but rarely pulls the trigger. Obviously that shot was taken instinctively when he got a fortuitous bounce--right decision.

I don't think that the GK had too much of a chance on that shot.  Like you said, it was a rocket.

The touch Hobart wants back is the one by the defender who sticks his foot out and basically gives Ruiz-Plaza a one touch pass.  He should have just cleared it OB to the far side.