Quote from: Mr.Right on November 16, 2016, 01:08:18 PM
BTW

Where are the UMB players comments? I have not heard them and do not see a link???

Here are some of the choice ones:

"Harverford, you guys are a bunch of f****ts for posting this video. just accept that you guys lost against 9 players and stop crying.
it is embarrassing that you are actually saying nobody was chanting anything racist,
love,
tu puta madre"

"Say No to Racism at Haverford College!
It was very sad and shocking to become a witness of how strongly racism in college sports still flows thank to the families of the student athletes who managed to send their "miracles" to a college to get formal education but totally forgot to educate them culturally and teach some simple laws of civilized humanity.
To me as a person of a different generation it seems pretty wild how someone in their twenties could be so barbarian and behind the times. How it is possible that someone so young and living in such an advanced country that leads the whole modern world could still have such a medieval set of mind.
During the last Sunday game, YOU, HAVERFORD COLLEGE STUDENTS, YOU - ATHLETES' PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS and THEIR FRIENDS, wanted to humiliate the UMASS Boston team, because they looked different than you, because they played better than you! YOU shouted 'Build the wall!' and other racist and hate  statements!
You were happy with every card that Boston team faced, with every inequitable judging. UMASS Boston Athletes had to play with 9 players against 11 of yours and YOU COULD NOT BREAK THEM! Now, after everything you did, sit still on you fifth point and learn how to lose honorably! YOU, who failed to raise respectable members of civilized society, sit still and think what SHAME and WORMWOOD you, and your kids are for this country!"

"Soccer is a contact sport, and everything can happen, but yes, you know better 'sofa and TV remote control experts'!"

"I know for a fact that they are playing. wbu? send me the link of your game i want to watch it online." (in response to Haverford not playing this weekend while UMB are)

"Leave your mail address and I will send you the masonry kit and a plane ticket to the border, so you could finally get up from the couch and go and build the wall you requested on Sunday. Do not thank me!"

"felixcloudy you aren't advancing to the next round. FACTS!!!!!"

"Gravitation is a powerful thing, especially if you walk your head forward, no?" (this one cracked me up because I guess they're saying that the headbutt(s) was due to a strong gravitational force on their heads!)

"Feel free to watch the game online on Saturday. They will be playing soccer while you guys are watching them. Lmao!"

Quote from: Mr.Right on November 16, 2016, 11:48:14 AM
They are not going to forfeit the game or allow Haverford to continue to play. Haverford should have won the game and BLEW IT themselves.

I think UMB might have to suspend or fire their Head Coach Beverlin..He is responsible for the players that he brings in and their actions..Honestly, Everything would have been fine had Williamson not headbutted the ref.. I have no idea what the hell that was for...The Haverford player was jumping on his back so he got frustrated and threw him which is a Straight Red and be done with it. Once he went after the ref he cost himself his own career and quite possibly his coaches.

Im sorry but it is not ironic that we have a former Amherst player being the prime cheerleader of this whole cause and continuing to bring this up. The same Amherst player whose teammate #15 Max Fikke THREW A BALL at full speed into a Williams players sternum because he was upset that he was standing in the way of his long throw. There have been plenty of poor/ bad sportsmanship instances from Amherst and Serpone that I think it is not really the best look that we have Amherst alums taking this stance. My advice is to look at your own house first

Mr. Right, I'm not sure what video you watched but I see no Haverford player jump on anyones back...

Also, I just looked up the video again to look at the comments and am disgusted by whomever is commenting on behalf of the UMB team. Calling the Fords a homophobic slur is down right deplorable and you can't bring up the topic of race and say they were racists when they themselves are using egregious homophobic slurs. Moreover, I was at the game for most of it (as I've mentioned before so sorry for those who are tired of hearing it) and never once did I hear anything at all negative from the Haverford fans. I heard one bit of anger that #25 got away with a cheapshot headbutt but it was not racially charged nor directed at any UMB fan in the stands. It is simply natural for a fan to be upset that their friend got headed in the temple.

To comment and claim they were chanting something along the lines of "build that wall" is deplorable and completely fabricated. Also, from what I gather Haverford is one of the most liberal places in the entire country so to think that they would be chanting for something that Trump campaigned upon seems unlikely because, not to make this too political, but it would seem that more of Haverford would have been behind Hillary Clinton as opposed to Donald Trump.

Quote from: Flying Weasel on November 15, 2016, 11:41:03 PM
Wow!  I can hardly believe my eyes!  Those aren't mere red cards offenses, those are over-the-top red card offenses.  I'd be perfectly content with the team being expelled from the tournament/forfeiting that game.  Somehow their coach needs to be held accountable.  To reach this point of the season and have three different players that undisciplined and out of control is inexcusable.  If you can't rein in your players, you shouldn't keep starting them and giving them playing time. Deplorable and disgusting and completely disrespectful to the game, their opponents, the referee, tournament, etc.

I completely agree with your assessment of the situation. Seems actually ridiculous the game was allowed to continue to be entirely honest. I was there for most of the game and thought it should have been forfeited at the time but I didn't even see the headbutt that goes completely unpenalized. That is a surefire red card offense in itself so they should have been down to 8! Maybe this is just me but I feel like its a pretty bad look for the NCAA to let this team continue to play in the tournament after their deplorable conduct. I'm not sure whether they would just forfeit and Tufts would move on (seems unfair to Trinty/Kenyon who would have to play a rested Tufts team) or if they would somehow let the Fords back into the tournament but Umass Boston should be punished for their conduct, starting with their coach.

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Quote from: Mr.Right on November 13, 2016, 06:06:14 PM
LOL was he arrested...Jesus?   I was comparing Amherst bench antics to Umass Boston bench antics which luckylefty mentioned they should not have advanced...Take ur purple and white blinders off...Amherst has not head butted a ref but they are not choirboys over there...

As I was leaving the game I saw their #77 getting driven away in a Cop car. Rumor was it was because he headbutted the ref and thus assaulted the referree. The stoppage of play was because the NCAA was trying to figure out whether or not to end the game with UMB forfeiting for their conduct. I suppose the ref decided to let it continue but truly the most classless performance from a team I've ever seen in my entire life

If somebody assaulted a referee in that manner the match should have been immediately called.

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here or bring the conversation back to a rather unpleasant topic but is there any precedent for games being called for a teams poor conduct?

From what everyone has said about the game, and from what I saw at the game the UMB team was not just chippy (which is obviously part of NCAA tournament games) but dirty and violent. When a player gets taken away in a Cop car that definitely could be grounds for removing the team for the tournament. I'm not sure if any of the long time D3 soccer fans have any knowledge of a team advancing and then later being disqualified but I can't think of any instance. Anyone think there is a chance that UMB is disqualified? After all they did have a player arrested which seems a little more serious than a heated NCAA tournament game.

Quote from: Mr.Right on November 13, 2016, 06:06:14 PM
LOL was he arrested...Jesus?   I was comparing Amherst bench antics to Umass Boston bench antics which luckylefty mentioned they should not have advanced...Take ur purple and white blinders off...Amherst has not head butted a ref but they are not choirboys over there...

As I was leaving the game I saw their #77 getting driven away in a Cop car. Rumor was it was because he headbutted the ref and thus assaulted the referree. The stoppage of play was because the NCAA was trying to figure out whether or not to end the game with UMB forfeiting for their conduct. I suppose the ref decided to let it continue but truly the most classless performance from a team I've ever seen in my entire life

Quote from: backyarddawg on November 05, 2016, 06:30:56 PM
Centennial Final 1:00 pm tomorrow.

F&M at Haverford.

Have both done enough or do the Fords need to win?

Predictions?

I think with a loss the Ford's will have a nervy wait until the selection show as they'll be on the bubble. I watched both games yesterday and the Ford's looked the better team. They completely outplayed and outshot WAC who went down to 10 men in the 2nd half. Hopkins gave F&M all they could handle but somehow couldn't finish one of their great chances.

I think F&M was looking ahead to today but they survived so think they'll come out with ferocity and intensity that they didn't play with yesterday. I'm not sure which way to go in this game but gun to my head I'd say 1-0 F&M (maybe in OT, maybe in regulation).

It's going to be close and come down to one or two moments.

Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on November 04, 2016, 10:50:05 AM

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Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on November 04, 2016, 08:47:05 AM
Favorites: Chicago, Messiah, Rowan, Amherst, Trinity, Kenyon, Calvin, Ohio Northern

Can Make A Run: Newark, F&M, Fords, Mass-Boston, W&L, Loras, Oneonta St, Carthage

Too Much Hype?: Etown, CNU, CMU, Brandeis, Tufts, Colorado College, Lynchburg, Middlebury, Hopkins, Rochester

Not Enough Hype? Scranton, Vassar, Whitworth, Capital, Cortland St, Babson, Hobart, Wash U, Macalester, UW-Whitewater

Cinderella!: St. Joe's, St. Thomas, PSU Behrend, Springfield, Morrisville St

Bubble Watch: St. Lawrence, Ohio Wesleyan, Tufts, Williams, Montclair

Don't know what to make of the Fords, E-town and Hopkins. I don't see too many quality wins for the Fords so think they may be a little over projected here. Same goes for E-town although taking Messiah to OT is positive as well as beating Scranton. Lastly, Hopkins record looks good but think their weak non-conference schedule is going to hurt them.

I guess we'll see if the Fords and Hopkins are legit this weekend because they'll both likely come up against F&M if the seeds hold in the semifinals.

I am unsure of what you are disagreeing with then for Etown and JHU? Too much hype seems fitting based off your description and uncertainty for them don't you think???

It's hard to discredit Haverford or Oneonta St. or Loras as "making a run" since they all were Elite 8 or Final 4 teams a year ago. Come tournament time I tend to lean with experience and it usually pans out in my favor.

Apologies for the confusion, I was agreeing with the E-town and JHU assessment and saying I may add the Fords into that category based on no real quality wins. I was just including other Mid-Atlantic teams in a similar position. While they do have experience from last year, they certainly lost a ton of firepower that carried them on their run. Time will tell I guess!

Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on November 04, 2016, 08:47:05 AM
Favorites: Chicago, Messiah, Rowan, Amherst, Trinity, Kenyon, Calvin, Ohio Northern

Can Make A Run: Newark, F&M, Fords, Mass-Boston, W&L, Loras, Oneonta St, Carthage

Too Much Hype?: Etown, CNU, CMU, Brandeis, Tufts, Colorado College, Lynchburg, Middlebury, Hopkins, Rochester

Not Enough Hype? Scranton, Vassar, Whitworth, Capital, Cortland St, Babson, Hobart, Wash U, Macalester, UW-Whitewater

Cinderella!: St. Joe's, St. Thomas, PSU Behrend, Springfield, Morrisville St

Bubble Watch: St. Lawrence, Ohio Wesleyan, Tufts, Williams, Montclair

Don't know what to make of the Fords, E-town and Hopkins. I don't see too many quality wins for the Fords so think they may be a little over projected here. Same goes for E-town although taking Messiah to OT is positive as well as beating Scranton. Lastly, Hopkins record looks good but think their weak non-conference schedule is going to hurt them.

I guess we'll see if the Fords and Hopkins are legit this weekend because they'll both likely come up against F&M if the seeds hold in the semifinals.

Interesting one today with Eastern vs. Kings. I think Eastern are poised to take this one like they did in the first meeting.

Also, I think Misericordia takes down DeSales while Hood ends Arcadia's run as they've limped into the playoffs (winless in their last three).

Interesting that Messiah and LVC play on Thursday in the semi-finals. I think this is better than playing the semifinal on Saturday and the final on Sunday like the Centennial does

Quote from: paclassic89 on October 27, 2016, 10:28:53 AM
MID-ATLANTIC         
1   Messiah   13-0-3   13-0-3
2   Franklin & Marshall   11-1-3   11-1-3
3   Elizabethtown   11-2-2   11-2-2
4   Haverford   9-3-3   9-3-3
5   Scranton   11-3-1   11-3-1
6   Drew   9-4-2   9-4-2
7   Johns Hopkins   10-3-2   10-3-2
8   Gettysburg   8-3-3   8-3-3
9   Misericordia   10-5-1   10-5-1

Just reposting the latest rankings from yesterday.  So, what is everybody's guess on the amount of time the committee spends putting these together?  I know the discussion regarding SOS has been beaten to death but it seems like they get the data sheet with records, SOS, and RVR and just sort of eyeball teams and slot them in.  I'd be surprised if it took them more than 30 mins.

I mean Misericordia over LVC?  LVC beat them 4-0.  The NCAA tournament manual lists the primary criteria as win %, H2H, common opponents, SOS, RVR without prescribing any weight to each factor.  They should just remove the H2H and common opponents criteria if they aren't going to be used.  Also, it seems like Drew is too high

Results of note from yesterday

F&M destroys Gettysburg
Drew ties Moravian
Haverford wins in OT over Ursinus
Misericordia ties Susquehanna
Hopkins destroys Mcdaniels

Agreed on the committee's time spent on the rankings. Seems like LVC is getting short changed at the moment.

Also, looks like F&M has firmly stamped its authority on the Centennial with a convincing win while the Fords escape again but remain entirely unconvincing. Hopkins may be trending upward which bodes well for them if they see the Fords in the Centennial playoffs, although WAC may be the #3 seed in which case Hopkins would have to deal with F&M if they win the #4/#5 game

F&M vs Fords -- Think this will be a tight one with each team having their pockets of good play. F&M will definitely be motivated to avenge last year's loss. Think it will come right down to the wire. I'm going to go with a 1-1 tie but wouldn't be surprised 2-1 F&M or even 2-1 Fords

WAC vs Getty -- Think WAC has been overachieving thus far and Getty are dangerous with loads of attacking talent. I think Henry Smith and co. just get it done. 2-1 Getty

Dickinson vs Swat -- Dickinson are certainly down this year but think they'll show up for this one and win 1-0

Mules vs Hopkins -- Hopkins haven't had great results against anyone particularly good while Muhlenberg have been playing good teams tight (F&M and Haverford). I think this one will end in a 1-1 draw.

Messiah vs Widener -- 2-0 Messiah here but the scoreline is misleading as the game was never really in doubt.

E-town vs Susquehanna -- 2-1 E-town even though I'm not totally sold on them

Lyco vs Hood -- Lyco with their backs against the wall will live to see another day but only barely. 2-1 Lyco

Eastern vs Kings -- Eastern bounce back from their FDU loss with a big victory over Kings 2-0.

FDU-Florham vs  Misericordia -- Misericordia have been getting results all year and think that continues with a 2-1 victory ina  big conference tilt

Big slate of game this weekend highlighted by the F&M Fords matchup.

Any predictions? (I'll post some tomorrow I just need some time to think) I listed some of the big games with conference playoff implications

F&M vs Fords
WAC vs Getty
Dickinson vs Swat
Mules vs Hopkins
Messiah vs Widener
E-town vs Susquehanna
Lyco vs Hood
Eastern vs Kings
FDU-Florham vs    Misericordia

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Predictions


Messiah@Leb Val------------3-1 Messiah
Arcadia@Lyco---------------2-1 Lyco
Etown@Scranton-----------2-1 Scranton OT
Gettys@Fords-------------2-2
Muhles@F&M--------------2-0 F&M
Wash@McDaniel-----------2-1 Wash
Ursinus@Swat-------------2-0 Swat
Dickinson@JHU------------3-2 JHU

I think Messiah will be flying high after the Etown victory. I don't think Leb Val will provide enough resistance in this one.

Lyco bounces back from their defeat to escape against Arcadia but I'm not sold on Lyco at all.

Speaking of not sold... I'm not sold on Etown and I think Scranton sneaks in here with a victory. They beat them last year in the conference tournament and I think they step up again.

Gettysburg is a dangerous team with plenty of attacking weapons. I'm not sure the Fords have the firepower to match Henry Smith and co. but they've been finding a way to get results and I think they squeeze a tie out here. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Gettysburg bounce back from the Hopkins loss with a win but I also wouldn't be surprised for the Fords to continue to find a way, I'm just not yet sold on them.

I think Muhlenberg will provide a test for F&M but the Dips have enough firepower to walk away with a W here. The Centennial has been up and down this season with some weird results but I think order is restored here, although the game is closer than the 2-0 scoreline appears.

Hopkins keeps rolling in a high scoring affair. What has become of Dickinson? Coach Redding has to be ripping his hair out with this start to the season. Hopkins is an up and down team but I'm picking them to keep the momentum from Gettysburg rolling.

Predictions for Wednesday's Games:

Washington College 2 - Ford 1: This is my upset special. WAC riding the high of their draw with F&M while Haverford has been underperforming and barely getting by. I think WAC take this one with a little more fight and toughness than the Fords are ready for.

Gettysburg 3 - Johns Hopkins 1: I think Gettysburg has firmly planted itself as the 3rd best team in the Centennial. Henry Smith is a dynamic, difference maker.

F&M 4 - Ursinus 0: F&M takes its frustrations from a tough week out on Ursinus.

Messiah 3 - Etown 2 in OT: From what I've read I don't know that Etown are the real deal and Messiah seem to be back to their winning ways. I think this will be an entertaining contest and one that'll be tight all the way through. Messiah with just a little bit more quality and edge this one.