Game Notes for Montclair State vs Hobart

https://montclairathletics.com/documents/2019/9/25//Football_Game_Notes_Hobart.pdf

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaClx4VBCKw    <-highlights for Montclair vs Salve

Also, Congrats to Ja'quill Birch, NJAC offensive player of the week

https://montclairathletics.com/news/2019/9/15/football-burch-selected-njac-offensive-player-of-the-week.aspx

Quote from: ITH radio on September 08, 2019, 10:56:58 AM
Still trying to figure out how Montclair lost to SoVA. Biggest upset of the wkd imo.

was a bizarre game, MSU had close to 500 yards of offense, they blocked a punt of ours and scored, we stalled twice inside the red zone with I believe two Int's, Montclair had their moments where it looked like they were dominating them, just bizarre

Best of luck to all the schools, stay safe, play hard!! Let's Go Red Hawks, looking for big things from Ja'Quill Birch, returning QB, nice size kid, seller arm, very bright, 3.8 GPA kid, pure leader.

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Greetings, MSU will have their second scrimmage this Saturday against Columbia. Last Sunday they battled it out against Lackawanna, def some good things going on at Montclair.

Quote from: Bartman on November 11, 2018, 10:24:41 AM
I think there were a bunch of pretty good teams in the East, and I really enjoyed the competitive league races. While I wish Frosty and BPort all the best to represent the East, I also thank all of the great  D3 student athletes and coaches that gave it their all every practice and every game....their efforts and experience will help all of them in life post football.

Well Said!

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Quote from: MANDGSU on November 11, 2018, 07:20:31 AM

Quote from: Bartman on November 10, 2018, 04:13:50 PM

Quote from: Caz Bombers on November 10, 2018, 03:42:29 PM

Quote from: wesleydad on November 10, 2018, 03:10:33 PM
The East is not very good this year.  1 team may be competitive after the first round.  If the East teams were sent all over instead of a sort of east region Brockport could be the only team that would win a game.  Frostburg looks average against Salisbury today.  RPI gets smoked by Union.  Just not a good season for the east.

I tried to tell y'all that last month and got scolded for it. RPI was almost the worst 10-0 team I've ever seen, so I guess that makes them one lousy 9-1 team.

There is no question that RPI is not a good 9-1 team(Taking nothing away from the win by Union today). Ithaca is probably the best out of the LL despite the 10-9 loss to RPI , but then ,Hobart a 5-4 team was a very tough out for IC last week. The top 4 teams in the LL were pretty close this year. So, either it was a bad year for the East(except Brockport ...and we will see if that is true very soon) or there were a whole bunch of  good teams , but only one stood out clearly untouched in every game. Everyone says how good the NJAC is compared to the other conferences , but I am not so sure we have enough data to say definitively that is true. Perhaps Frosty and Brockport will win a few and the East should look good. Maybe DelVal and RPI will surprise in the playoffs, but I doubt it. Bottom line, the observation that the East was down this year is probably valid. The irony would be Brockport winning the Stagg Bowl.

I think the East is better than what we think this year. I think due to there being 3 or 4 teams in the LL, NJAC, and E 8 that could have easily been conference champ, it may appear to be a "down' year, but sometimes that a good sign and a testament to the conferences. I know we all want to see a conference champ be able to beat all their opponents by 28 points and then go onto the playoffs, but that doesn't always work out, may the tough challenges will help them in the those close games and maybe we get two teams again to the Final 8 and 1 into the final 4 and hopefully the stagg and win. I will be rooting for the East the whole way.

AGREE!!!!!

Regarding Wesley, I can't imagine what those kids, the alum and all supporters have gone through and are going through. Coach Giancola is a second father to me and if that would have happened during my playing days, Jesus, while I would want to honor his memory I'm not sure how I would have responded.

Kudos to that team for a successful year even if they might have fallen short a little bit, you won because you competed! In football we always talking about overcoming adversity, you guys overcame it, played for your coach and honored him very admirably, Coach Drass would have been proud!

I guess my next statement will determine if my assessment is correct but I'm of the belief that the level of competition is quite high in the East, you look at the NJAC or empire 8, there are 3 teams in either conf maybe even 4 who a few plays going the other direction, the landscape of the playoffs is quite different.

I could make the argument that Montclair could have gotten an at large, same way I could make the argument that Ithaca deserved it, I do believe there are a few teams who received a bid that play in a very weak conf and while there record might reflect it, the strength of schedule and level of competition is no where near where it needs to be.

Frostburg, congrats, best of luck next year at the Division 2 level and kick some ass in the playoffs, represent the NJAC!!

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Quote from: wesleydad on November 07, 2018, 06:28:07 PM

Quote from: Red Hawks 12 on November 07, 2018, 02:45:19 PM
Stevenson, strength of schedule weaker than MSU, common opponent Frostburg, they lost 34-7, we lost 24-17, starting qb out for year, Cortland 2 losses, weaker sos, not sure what other criteria is, can someone please explain?

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yea, you possibly did more homework than some of the committee members.

Perhaps I'm just letting my bias get in the way here, I just don't see the logic, head to head, strength of schedule and common opponent is what I always heard. That doesn't really seem to be the case anymore, if it was the case Montclair State would have a regional ranking.

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Stevenson, strength of schedule weaker than MSU, common opponent Frostburg, they lost 34-7, we lost 24-17, starting qb out for year, Cortland 2 losses, weaker sos, not sure what other criteria is, can someone please explain?

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Quote from: MANDGSU on November 06, 2018, 09:49:07 AM
Congrats to Devinne Greene for making D3 Football Team of the Week. Devinne played one helluva game and put the offense in position to win the game on multiple occasions (sigh  ). I know Devinne and the unit will say they have to do better to finish games defensively. Again congrats Devinne, well deserved.

Congrats!!

Sorry, Sorry...lol

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We beat Rowan Head to head, they have 3 losses, we have 2, I mean??? isn't that enough? If I am completely wrong here I'll shut up.

Wesley getting national votes for top 25 with 3 losses? After we beat them head up and losing to a team (Rowan) we easily beat.
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Real quick: Have you noticed how almost every time you describe a Wesley or Montclair result, you word it in such a way that makes MSU look as good as possible?  For example, when talking about MSU's losses, you make sure to include little anecdotes about how close it was, or how fluky the loss was. You'll say they took Frostburg "down to the wire". That they lost to Salisbury "on a fumble after we blocked their punt to run into the endzone for the win."

But when you describe Wesley's losses, it's just the facts. Montclair beat Wesley, full stop. Wesley lost to Rowan, full stop. Wesley has three losses, full stop.

Maybe this is unconscious, but it might explain why you have such an issue with the rankings. You're viewing every Montclair loss through the lens of how it almost wasn't a loss. But every loss by Wesley is a no-excuses loss. No mitigating circumstances or what ifs.

(Honestly, as someone with no real care whether Montclair is ranked ahead of Wesley or not, when I looked at the box score of their game against each other, I thought to myself: Wesley fumbled away a 1st and goal from the 1, gave up a TD thanks to an offside after MSU missed a FG, and then missed a 26-yarder of their own late. They outgained Montclair by 170 yards, and were even in turnovers. They probably should have won that game)

Look, I get it. I've seen a ton of IC people do it when talking about the RPI and Port losses, but funny enough, none of them mention how close the Hobart, Alfred, and Fisher wins were. I've just sort of noticed it your posts, and thought it was interesting.
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And nobody boosting Montclair ever seems to mention that Wesley beat a team which was and still is ranked in the Top 25.
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I feel like you are a lawyer...

I am using those terms bc I am trying to paint a picture of how close it truly was, a loss is a loss a win is a win, fine. Still explain then, if a loss is a loss and a win is a win regardless of self inflicting errors, Wesley getting national votes, explain how one week Salisbury is not so strong in the eyes of the committee but the next week when Wesley beats them they are strong enough to warrant a 3 loss Wesley team getting votes.

Regarding Ithaca, the committee seems to think their two losses were against stronger opponents, when I said splitting hairs, I am referring to then Montclair's strength of schedule .572 and Ithaca's 541, Cortland 514, not sure which one trumps the other.

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Real quick: Have you noticed how almost every time you describe a Wesley or Montclair result, you word it in such a way that makes MSU look as good as possible?  For example, when talking about MSU's losses, you make sure to include little anecdotes about how close it was, or how fluky the loss was. You'll say they took Frostburg "down to the wire". That they lost to Salisbury "on a fumble after we blocked their punt to run into the endzone for the win."

But when you describe Wesley's losses, it's just the facts. Montclair beat Wesley, full stop. Wesley lost to Rowan, full stop. Wesley has three losses, full stop.

Maybe this is unconscious, but it might explain why you have such an issue with the rankings. You're viewing every Montclair loss through the lens of how it almost wasn't a loss. But every loss by Wesley is a no-excuses loss. No mitigating circumstances or what ifs.

(Honestly, as someone with no real care whether Montclair is ranked ahead of Wesley or not, when I looked at the box score of their game against each other, I thought to myself: Wesley fumbled away a 1st and goal from the 1, gave up a TD thanks to an offside after MSU missed a FG, and then missed a 26-yarder of their own late. They outgained Montclair by 170 yards, and were even in turnovers. They probably should have won that game)

Look, I get it. I've seen a ton of IC people do it when talking about the RPI and Port losses, but funny enough, none of them mention how close the Hobart, Alfred, and Fisher wins were. I've just sort of noticed it your posts, and thought it was interesting.
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