Quote from: PaulNewman on November 09, 2018, 06:57:58 PM
I was just getting ready to ask if Carthage could pull off the Central Region triple.....Chicago, North Park and Calvin....and then UW-P scores two to go up 2-1.  Good, entertaining game.

Remnants of snubmania.....St Norbert beat both of these teams.

Thanks for pointing this out. Must have been a tough game for SNC players to watch/follow.

Quote from: jknezek on November 06, 2018, 04:18:52 PM

Quote from: fan23 on November 06, 2018, 04:08:07 PM

Selection Process needs Rethinking

A selection system that rewards loosing needs to be examined. For example, take a look at St. Thomas (in) and St. Norbert (out).
SNC has a better record (17-1-1 for a winning percentage of .921 vs. ST at 14-3-2 for a .789). SNC accomplished 2 rank wins in only 2 games (RvR of 2-0-0 for 1.000) while it took ST 7 games to accomplish  2 ranked wins, loosing/tying the others (RvR of 2-3-1 for .357) BUT ST gets in because those ranked losses upped their SOS. In other words, by loosing to ranked teams they upped their SOS enough to get in over a team with better stats and the same number of ranked wins.  To say this system doesn't reward loosing is to ignore the numbers.

It could be simpler to say that it rewards scheduling challenging games and looks unfavorably upon teams that don't. But only if you fail to win the AQ, of course. The ONLY 3 games STU lost were to ranked opponents. SNC can't claim the same, losing to an unranked opponent. SNC also has a slight problem of losing to Knox, who STU beat, though it's fair to also note SNC was 1-1 against Knox and just lost the more important game.

It's just not as straight forward as people would like it to be, and it's never going to be straight forward for that last spot or three.

I agree with you that "it's never going to be straight forward for that last spot or three."  That's why it's important to keep the process as transparent as possible. This past weekend prior to the selections I had a conversation with a current player on a "bubble team" who said, "I'm not worried, our coach is on the committee. He's gong to make sure we get in." And they are.   A system were players believe (rightly or wrongly) their coach can pull the necessary strings to get in definitely needs examination.

A selection system that rewards loosing needs to be examined. For example, take a look at St. Thomas (in) and St. Norbert (out).
SNC has a better record (17-1-1 for a winning percentage of .921 vs. ST at 14-3-2 for a .789). SNC accomplished 2 rank wins in only 2 games (RvR of 2-0-0 for 1.000) while it took ST 7 games to accomplish  2 ranked wins, loosing/tying the others (RvR of 2-3-1 for .357) BUT ST gets in because those ranked losses upped their SOS. In other words, by loosing to ranked teams they upped their SOS enough to get in over a team with better stats and the same number of ranked wins.  To say this system doesn't reward loosing is to ignore the numbers.