Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2019, 05:42:49 PM

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2019, 08:43:19 AM

Oh, good gosh.  I left it up there with no comment because "mute point" is not a thing; the term is "moot point."  It's a common mistake, but it felt funny to me at the end of a sentence saying quality of education wasn't the issue.  Then Dave chimed in - and he says "mute point" all the time on Hoopsville, so I figured I wouldn't compound the issue or unduly embarrass anyone by explaining it, but not that it seems to have gone on for several days and rounds and back-and-forths and my name's getting thrown in in unintended ways, I'll just give in.  So here we are.

Sorry for everything.  It is "moot point," though, for future reference.

Autocorrect gets me all the damn point ... I actually do know the right version and didn't catch my device changing it. SMH Damn it.

And it all could have been avoided haha. But back to basketball and it looks like Rowan was able to take down Jersey City at home even with a bad shooting night from DePersia. Unfortunately a few of the other games got cancelled for snow but I have been impressed with Profs. 

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2019, 05:35:31 PM

Quote from: Hoopityhoop25 on January 16, 2019, 02:32:32 PM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2019, 04:31:58 PM

Quote from: Hoopityhoop25 on January 12, 2019, 11:42:39 AM

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2019, 09:17:02 AM

Quote from: Hoopityhoop25 on January 11, 2019, 08:35:33 AM
All this stuff about these schools academics and their programs is a mute point.

... I'm just going to leave this here.

You're right. We are definitely all better served by people sharing anecdotal stories about their and their friend's education backgrounds and incomes. How about we change the board to just NJAC Academics and then we can talk about all the great programs across all these NJAC schools? No one is saying it isn't important but the argument changed from debating how fair it is for kids to transfer to people talking about their rich buddies and touting their respective schools academic programs.

I think you missed the point that Ryan was trying to make that in Division III is about academics and their programs. And yeah ... in DIII, touting a school's academic program is kind of part of the conversation. It certainly is when recruits are on at least on campus.

Sorry if those who are proud of their accomplishments or their school's status is a bother.

As for the programs on the floor ... I'm always impressed with how many of these students athletes, including in the NJAC, are tremendous students first and foremost. I don't think any DIII school should be ashamed of themselves in the grand scheme of things.

The only people missing the point is you two. You both keep returning the how important academic programs are and I am not saying anything different. What I am saying is that transferring mid-season, regardless of whether or not its to enroll in a different program at a different school, should make a player ineligible for the rest of that year. If it is strictly about academics then this still allows the student-athlete to enter their desired program but prevents players from playing for two different teams during the same season. You both seem to be quoting reply's without actually reading them.

And what we have been telling you and you apparently haven't been reading is ... that isn't going to happen. There isn't any major concern about it across the division or in the NJAC. They don't see it as a problem and those in both the conference and the division don't want to limit students and their opportunities by putting a number of hurdles in their way. In DI (and DII, I believe) it makes sense because there are athletic scholarships in play. All at play in DIII is the bill a student has to pay to an institution. Thus ... only one or two conferences in totality have that limitation (transfer type limitations in general) in Division III. The NJAC doesn't feel it's a problem and is no where close to implementing it ... despite your opinions on it.

Read through all those quote tweets that you just quoted there and show me when you guys were referring to transferring at any point, because both of your last replys were simply about my reference to programs being a "mute" point. But I agree its not a rampant issue and is hard to regulate, especially at the D3 level, but I just feel its unfair. And I don't think just because it isn't close to being implemented or currently feasible restricts it from being discussed.

Interesting game this weekend with NJCU traveling to Rowan. Rowan's been hot (but beating up on the bottom of the NJAC) but Glassboro is always a tough place to play. If Rowan can pull off a W and the rest of the top teams handle their business (no easy task in NJAC league play) it will bring everybody to 8-3. Think it will be a good test for NJCU.

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2019, 04:31:58 PM

Quote from: Hoopityhoop25 on January 12, 2019, 11:42:39 AM

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2019, 09:17:02 AM

Quote from: Hoopityhoop25 on January 11, 2019, 08:35:33 AM
All this stuff about these schools academics and their programs is a mute point.

... I'm just going to leave this here.

You're right. We are definitely all better served by people sharing anecdotal stories about their and their friend's education backgrounds and incomes. How about we change the board to just NJAC Academics and then we can talk about all the great programs across all these NJAC schools? No one is saying it isn't important but the argument changed from debating how fair it is for kids to transfer to people talking about their rich buddies and touting their respective schools academic programs.

I think you missed the point that Ryan was trying to make that in Division III is about academics and their programs. And yeah ... in DIII, touting a school's academic program is kind of part of the conversation. It certainly is when recruits are on at least on campus.

Sorry if those who are proud of their accomplishments or their school's status is a bother.

As for the programs on the floor ... I'm always impressed with how many of these students athletes, including in the NJAC, are tremendous students first and foremost. I don't think any DIII school should be ashamed of themselves in the grand scheme of things.

The only people missing the point is you two. You both keep returning the how important academic programs are and I am not saying anything different. What I am saying is that transferring mid-season, regardless of whether or not its to enroll in a different program at a different school, should make a player ineligible for the rest of that year. If it is strictly about academics then this still allows the student-athlete to enter their desired program but prevents players from playing for two different teams during the same season. You both seem to be quoting reply's without actually reading them.

But I was shocked by the game TCNJ had at Kean. Just all around bad game that puts them in a tough spot especially with NJCU and MSU prevailing (MSU barely). Puts them right back in the thick of things and makes showing up for every game from here on out even more important then usual.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2019, 09:17:02 AM

Quote from: Hoopityhoop25 on January 11, 2019, 08:35:33 AM
All this stuff about these schools academics and their programs is a mute point.

... I'm just going to leave this here.

You're right. We are definitely all better served by people sharing anecdotal stories about their and their friend's education backgrounds and incomes. How about we change the board to just NJAC Academics and then we can talk about all the great programs across all these NJAC schools? No one is saying it isn't important but the argument changed from debating how fair it is for kids to transfer to people talking about their rich buddies and touting their respective schools academic programs. 

All this stuff about these schools academics and their programs is a mute point. You can argue that kids should be able to transfer freely after the season, which is fine. But to argue players should be allowed to play for one team in the Fall semester and then a different one in the Spring is ridiculous.

Also Montclair, NJCU and TCNJ have separated themselves as the top teams in the NJAC. All 3 teams have traded wins (TCNJ beats Montclair, NJCU beats TCNJ and Montclair beat NJCU). Each team has dropped a game in conference to a lesser opponent (Willy P, Stockton & Rowan). Think Montclair St. is in the driver seat with the "best" bad loss to Rowan.