Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 03, 2022, 01:28:07 PM

Quote from: PaulNewman on November 03, 2022, 01:20:37 PM

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 03, 2022, 01:13:23 PM
Does anybody have thoughts on Hamilton?

8-4-4 record
.593 SOS
3-4-1 RvR

But they are winless (0-5-2) in their last 7 games with 5 losses and 2 ties. Doesn't scream at-large bid to me. Wouldn't be shocked for the NESCAC to get another bid but IMO this team is not deserving of an at-large.

Thoughts from those who have watched this region more closely? 

On another note, is there any chance that Conn College actually jumps in and takes Hamilton's spot? Would they have a crack at an at-large?

7-5-4
.602 SOS
2-3-4 RvR with Williams up next

Still not feeling it unless they beat Williams and even then it might be difficult for them. Time will tell!

I'll be mildly surprised if Hamilton gets a bid but only mildly.  It seems like they shouldn't even be close because of what you noted, but I haven't read anything that says the cmte considers how teams finish the season. And the RvR stands out as does a very good SoS.

And yes, I think Conn enters the convo again if they beat Williams and (going by what you posted) gets to RvR of 3-3-4.  But I still think it's a bridge too far unless they "lose" the final in pks and get a tie instead of another loss.  But if they get to the final, they might as well just win it.  And speaking of uneven teams with talent, Conn is that...but unfortunately it does not appear they will be getting Rye Jaran back who is a difference-maker for the Camels.

Sounds like we are on the same page PN!

While it's not part of the "criteria", I'm not sure how the committee could justify putting a team in the NCAA's who hasn't won in a month. Literally the Hamilton has not won a game in a full month. While there have been many arguments in the past about a team not making conference playoffs but still potentially getting a bid--this is even more extreme IMO.

Full disclosure: my son plays for Hamilton so I am not entirely objective, but I have seen every game live or streamed. They started 8-0-1 and ended the season 0-4-3 (not 0-5-2) and all of the losses were to ranked teams (Amherst, Bowdoin, SUNY Oneonta and Middlebury) with a draw at Williams. They had injuries to a couple of CBs that disrupted their style of play.

I think an 8-4-4 team with 3 wins against ranked teams deserves an at large bid if the NESCAC gets 5 spots. I think the whole resume should be considered and not just how the team ended the season.

Would Hamilton also pick up 2 wins (against Tufts and Conn College)? If so, I would think Hamilton's RvR would be 3-1-2 and not 1-2-2.

Quote from: d4_Pace on July 02, 2019, 02:35:00 PM
Well thats not true cause often the first game of the year is the first day of class. But yes there is a mandated first date when teams can start preseason. Then there is all sort of fine print regarding the number of sessions and scrimmages etc.

Maybe the schools start classes on different dates. Hamilton starts classes 8/29 and the first game is 9/7 which is out of conference.

My son is an incoming freshman at Hamilton. He was told by the coaches that the NESCAC does not permit practices to start until classes start. I'm not sure about informal captain's practices.

Hamilton College 2019 Men's Soccer Schedule

SEPTEMBER

Tue. 3   SUNY Oswego
Sat. 7   Bates *
Tue. 10   at Ithaca
Sat. 14   Amherst *
Sat. 21   at Middlebury *
Tue. 24   at SUNY Oneonta
Sat. 28   Colby *

OCTOBER
Wed. 2   Utica
Sat. 5   at Bowdoin *
Tue. 8   at SUNY Polytechnic
Sat. 12   at Trinity *
Sun. 13   Tufts *
Sat. 19   Wesleyan *
Wed. 23   at Williams *
Sat. 26   at Connecticut College *

* NESCAC match