Imagine how badly Ithaca would've stomped Cortland if they had started locker room favorite Nabi.  Ithaca definitely looked flat with Germinerio in there.

Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 12, 2019, 11:52:00 AM
Nabi

2018 vs. Cortland:
13-21 209yds 2TDs 1INT 8 Rush Yds.

2017 vs. Cortland:
27-37 329yds 6TDs 1INT 18 Rush Yds.

Total: 40-58 538yds 8TDs 2INTs 26 Rush Yds.

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Germinerio

2018 vs. Cortland:
31-50 307yds 2TDs 2INTs 25 Rush Yds.

2017 vs. Cortland:
15-21 265yds 3TDs 1INT 95 Rush Yds. 3 Rush TDs

Total: 46-71 572yds 5TDs 3INTs 120 Rush Yds. 3 Rush TDs

I'm not sure how relevant stats against a common opponent are when you're talking about different teams over different years. Every year (and surrounding cast) is a different beast.  When you add in how a two game sample size isn't that statistically relevant, this argument feels pretty weak. Especially when you compare season long stats of Nabi last year and Germinerio this year.

Nabi featuring a worse TD pass, yards per game, TD/INT ratio,  YPA, completion percentage, QB rating.  In addition while Germinerio hasn't been a force on the ground like he was at Brockport, he easily outpaces Nabi in 2018 in that arena as well.

  It bears mentioning that Germinerio will likely finish with a sizable number more passing attempts than Nabi in 2018, so that evens out the counting stats to an extent, but if Nabi was a better player the efficiency and turnover number gap would not be as high. 

Nabi has played well against Cortland in the past, but if he was the best man at the position he would've been playing this year.  I know you and Pops Germinerio have an acrimonious relationship, but insisting they should play Nabi based on a scant sample size in different scenarios feels like a stretch. 

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Quote from: ITH radio on October 13, 2019, 03:25:21 PM
Good to see Hellwig back out there after the Hobart game / injury. BP really does seem firing on all cylinders. Cortland may still be an underdog to the defending champs. Will see...

Brockport's lone points allowed in the last three weeks came after Alfred State recovered a fumbled punt at the 3, and it still took them four plays to score. Unreal. Just an elite defense.

That said, I'd like to see Brockport's offense show up against a team with a competent defense. Maybe getting Hellwig back is going to elevate the offense, but you've got to do more than light up Hartwick to convince me.

Cortland's defense was lousy last week, and they were lucky to get out of there with a win, but I'm still making them slight favorites at home in that matchup.

Hellwig only played this week because Freddie June was sick.

It will be interesting to see who takes the field for Brockport after the bye week.  Obviously hard to determine just how effective Hellwig was given that the opponent was Hartwick, but he was much more effective/consistent as a drop back passer than June was in the prior weeks.  Luckily Brockport has a week to get it sorted out before the showdown with Cortland.  Would hate for the incredible defense to be wasted by playing QB musical chairs.

June is the QB going forward. No drama what so ever. Unless he gets hurt Hellwig will not play.

It's hard to know that unless you're actually on the staff.  If that truly is the status then Brockport's defense will need to continue their incendiary play.  When we last saw Freddy he was heaving arm punts into the Fisher secondary.  As a Brockport alum and fan I would be very concerned should the Golden Eagles need to mount a comeback late in any game.  He's done lots of good things as a true freshman, but there have also been plenty of reminders how much work he still has to do.   

Quote from: bports on October 14, 2019, 07:55:48 PM

Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 14, 2019, 08:59:12 AM

Quote from: ITH radio on October 13, 2019, 03:25:21 PM
Good to see Hellwig back out there after the Hobart game / injury. BP really does seem firing on all cylinders. Cortland may still be an underdog to the defending champs. Will see...

Brockport's lone points allowed in the last three weeks came after Alfred State recovered a fumbled punt at the 3, and it still took them four plays to score. Unreal. Just an elite defense.

That said, I'd like to see Brockport's offense show up against a team with a competent defense. Maybe getting Hellwig back is going to elevate the offense, but you've got to do more than light up Hartwick to convince me.

Cortland's defense was lousy last week, and they were lucky to get out of there with a win, but I'm still making them slight favorites at home in that matchup.

Hellwig only played this week because Freddie June was sick.

It will be interesting to see who takes the field for Brockport after the bye week.  Obviously hard to determine just how effective Hellwig was given that the opponent was Hartwick, but he was much more effective/consistent as a drop back passer than June was in the prior weeks.  Luckily Brockport has a week to get it sorted out before the showdown with Cortland.  Would hate for the incredible defense to be wasted by playing QB musical chairs. 

Quote from: Bartman on September 06, 2019, 02:27:32 PM

Quote from: ITH radio on September 06, 2019, 08:46:01 AM
https://theithacan.org/sports/quarterback-sneak-all-american-transfers-after-graduating/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJTEI_Hg_Y

Fan counter point we got was this:


find this perplexing...if Joe (Germinerio) is paying for his own education (vis cash, student loans, grants, or educational scholarship), why would it be anyone elses comcern on where he attends, what he does, what sport he plays, or even if he graduates? Thats his business.

What do you guys' think?

I had not watched the youtube prior to my earlier post. I have to agree with Frank's comments. I must also say I am extremely impressed with how Nabi has handled the situation. If Nabi is not the starter by game four, he could also play the transfer game by leaving the team and IC  , legitimately have two years of eligibility left and seek a degree from a school that won't bench him for a "Fall" transfer. I am sure I will get a few negative karma's for this from IC faithful or Joe G fans, but that's what I think.

Nabi would have one year left of eligibility in that scenario.  The Division III eligibility clock is not the same as FBS.  From NCAA website:

"Division II 10-semester/15-quarter clock: If you play at a Division II or III school, you have the first 10 semesters or 15 quarters in which you are enrolled as a full-time student to complete your four seasons of competition. You use a semester or quarter any time you attend class as a fulltime student or are enrolled part-time and compete for the school. You do not use a term if you only attend part-time with no competition or are not enrolled for a term."

"Season of competition: NCAA student-athletes are allowed to compete for four seasons in one sport. Division I and II student-athletes who compete for any amount of time during a season use up one season in their sport. Division III student-athletes who practice or compete after the first date of competition in their sport use up one season in their sport. "

In order to do as you suggested, Nabi would've had to withdraw from school before classes started at IC (or at least drop down to part time)  If he left after game four, he would still only have one year of football eligibility remaining.

Quote from: NYfootball on September 06, 2019, 12:06:28 PM
My take on the Germinerio transfer:

I believe it is common knowledge that the player can be fiery (if under control, you want your QB like that) and rather animated if things don't go his way, which is on full display during the game. If you have been near his family at games, you can see where that comes from. It has been alleged that it spills over into the locker room as well.

On the field, he is not a typical 'pocket' 3000 yard passing qb, he moves and extends plays, even up to a few seconds, and sometimes takes off and runs. He is a very good athlete at that position at D3 level. Also, it cannot be stated enough, that he had a great unit around him. The defense was terrific too.

So the team experienced success, awards were received, leading to a possible inflated sense of personal value to the squad. Couple that with some poor parental advice, and he thought he could transfer to D1 as a quarterback. It doesn't help that some national nitwit wrote awhile ago that Germinerio could help Michigan. He can't, imo. His style and size would get him killed.

He isn't Eric Dungey, not the same arm or the same speed. They have similar styles, but not the same player, to take the physical abuse that playing like he does would certainly bring. He also is not a rhythm passer, at all. He is creative and guys come off routes to fill space while he roams around. Thats fine in High School and D3.

When no D1 or D2 schools were interested, he was in a bind. Can't go back to Brockport, so had to look around D3, and talked to at least one E8 team (who didn't bite), and I heard another LL team before heading to Ithaca.

He is a much different style player than Nabi, and adjusting to playing on grass will be interesting to watch unfold.

As someone who has watched every game he played at Brockport (family member of current Golden Eagle) and a former D3 assistant myself I would agree with some of the assessment.  His creativity extending plays is certainly a plus, but I think you're selling him short as an operator in the pocket.  I think part of the issue in terms of not being a rhythm passer come from the structure of the offense itself.  While it's not wholesale Tony Franklin system, it is heavily cribbed from that style with lots of "pick a side" type reads as opposed to pure progression/R4 type stuff.

My understanding of how the progression/coverage keys are taught makes it seem pretty vague (and therefore easier to get the signals crossed with receiver or fooled by well disguised coverages).  I will be interested to see how he functions in a different offense in that regard.  Maybe more structure does him good, or perhaps it stifles the freewheeling style he's done well with.

  He definitely has a fiery attitude from what I've seen (and heard reported back to me), but it was never framed as crossing the threshold towards detrimental to the team.   

I had not heard the aspect that he wanted to transfer to a D1 (or even FCS/D2) level school.  I think there's a part of all athletes that has to be irrationally confident, but that is a bridge too far.  The gulf in physical talent between even a strong D3 program like Brockport and higher levels can be very high.  Add in the fact that he would be a "rental" and it's hard to see who in his corner would've assumed transferring up was even feasible much less advisable.  Maybe that's where some enabling from the parents came in. 

FYI that "national outlet" that said Joe G should transfer to Michigan is Barstool Sports, not exactly a descendant of Grantland Rice journalism.  I very much doubt that had anything to do with inflated self worth.  It's one half step above the Onion. 

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Quote from: Oline89 on September 04, 2019, 08:37:16 AM
Any predictions for opening weekend for LL teams?  IC, U and RPI should have easy wins. SLU should be able to put up points, but I don't know much about Utica.  SJF looked OK from what I saw in their preseason scrimmage, Buff St is supposed to be improved, so seems like a toss-up.  UR has a tough one against CWRU, could get ugly.  Hobart is much improved from last year, BPort has taken a step back (simply with the  loss of Joe G), so the game will be much closer than last year.  Smart money picks Bport all day, but I never claimed to be smart....

I'll give it a shot:

St. John Fisher 21 (rumor has it Fisher is starting a Freshman QB, or this may be larger gap)
Buff State        13

Brockport         28
Hobart             23 (If there is discussion about two QBs in the mix at Hobart, unless it's gamesmanship, they don't have one)

Allegheny         20
RPI                  31 (RPI lost alot of terrific defenders)

Ithaca              35 (Joe Germ will start and there may be a Wabi sighting late)
St. Vincent       7

Westfield          17
Union               28

St. Lawrence    14 (there may be a pass or two in this matchup)
Utica                45

Case West        52 
Rochester         7   (tough match for YJ)

Re Hobart QB, this is a lazy trope/axiom that doesn't mean anything.  Worked out for FL with chris leak and Tim Tebow.  Hoffman is a drach recruit who Did quite well last year after sitting behind Sweeney for Two years while krewson was all LL as a athlete as a FR DeWall recruit.  Hoffman has earned his starting spot but krewson May be better.  Apparently not paying attention to D1 football or you'd see what's gone on at alabama and Clemson last two years.  That is as old as anything in football and just not true anymore. 

When you throw in the dad and what we know post RPI game re Germinerio its a very fair piece to write and worth questioning what a relatively new HC at IC wants to be representative of the program and institution whether it works out or not.0

What "do we know" regarding Germinerio and his exit from Brockport?  I would imagine it had to have been contentious, but do you have anything substantive to share?

If you have a chance to add a two time all region/POY type QB to replace a middling one (under 60 percent completion, 1.45:1 TD/INT ratio along with an offense that only averaged 22 points per game) you do it almost every time.  Happy to admit I'm wrong if you have a smoking gun regarding Joe's exit as opposed to vague platitudes.

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At first I thought, huge upgrade for Ithaca.  Now, I am a bit more reserved.  Unless he transferred for spring semester, there is no way he is allowed to participate in Spring ball.  Summer camp is only 2 weeks.  Is that enough time to learn a new system?  Obviously, he is a talented kid, but this move (as a senior with no more years of eligibility) is a little confusing.  I am sure Nabi, will play it like the smart, respectable kid he seems to be.....but, how does this affect him (and the rest of the team) for the rest of this year and next?

Doesn't he have sit another year?  I know there's the D1_D2/D3 exemption and the graduate transfer exemption, but didn't think there was one for D3-D3.  Also, as a second time transfer, I assume more restrictions apply.

At any rate, and I'm sure I'm an outlier, this doesn't strike me as an upgrade.  Ithaca's on the upswing, Nabi is plenty good, and totally unclear how much of Joe G's success, vs. his own, plus all the character issues.  And, if you ask the RPI defense, I'd bet they view Nabi as the superior player.

There's no getting around Joe G played about as poorly as you could've against RPI.  However, using a one game sample size to determine player quality is obviously a little disingenuous.  I'm also unsure how the RPI defense would appropriately rate Nabi seeing that he did not play against RPI last year.  Going by career statistics it isn't particularly close, even going on a per game basis to account for Joe playing three seasons vs Nabi's two.  Ultimately the cool thing is we will find out when we see who is under center for the Bombers come early September.

I also still see people citing "character issues" without anything concrete being discussed as to what that means.  For all I know he could be a horrible teammate or player to coach but no one has put anything definitive out here on these internet streets.  If these character issues are so prevelant I'm surprised he was voted a team captain as a junior. 

Quote from: Bombers798891 on April 11, 2019, 10:58:41 AM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on April 10, 2019, 09:22:06 PM

Nabi appeared to have been benched on a few occasions last year

I do not think this was the case at all. He was battling injuries

Like I said, I didn't have anything definitive on why we saw #17 at QB for Ithaca in a few different situations last year.  Hopefully he is fully healthy heading into preseason.  I eagerly await the boots on the ground intel from posters her about Joe G's "playoff attitude."  I feel like it would have to be something really untenable for a majority of Brockport players/coaches to want him gone.

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on April 11, 2019, 09:02:45 AM
School #3 for Joey G.........................at this level of play. I don't know what he's chasing, but best of luck to him. A desk job will be quite boring after all of this "excitement". I've heard from a few folks up at Brockport that they are glad to see him go after the playoff attitude last year.

I have a sibling on the team and haven't heard anything about a "playoff attitude".  He certainly played poorly against RPI and has always had a fiery demeanor but based on what I've heard nothing alarming happened after that lost.  Obviously that isn't gospel so if you've got more concrete evidence than vague platitudes.  Do you have more specifics on the "playoff attitude?"

As for Ithaca this is a huge get.  While Nabi has played well at times, he was also benched during portions of games last year.  Whether that was injury related, performance based or both I can't say.  Joe will certainly have to earn the position. That said, if the offense at Ithaca is too complex for a two time conference player of the year (in a better conference than the LL) where he can't pick it up that's on the coaching staff on the South Hill.