Looks like UD has entered the polls at #25! GO SPARTANS!

Quote from: AndOne on November 19, 2013, 04:42:14 PM

Quote from: keith45 on November 19, 2013, 03:28:51 PM

Quote from: AndOne on November 19, 2013, 02:14:08 PM
Greg,

1. Of course I have no objection to the "System" I think it can be a lot of fun---to watch and probably to play. Its how you play it that matters. And Michelle and almost every other coach has too much class to ever turn her style of "system" play into the aborted version displayed by the Grinnell coach.

2. It is a legitimate analogy. You said "what a basketball player is supposed to do......obey his coach's instructions. You didn't qualify your statement in any way, shape, or form. Therefore the inference is that it is always the player's duty to obey the coach.

3. Neither Todd Raridon nor Gerry Schmutte would stoop to giving instructions designed to humiliate an opponent so the question of insurrection would never arise. 

1. Roof has pulled out of the "system" during the end of a blowout and even played a zone to slow down the score (I think I saw it last season in a blowout in the early season tip off tourney
2. Cmon, we all know the point that was being illustrated
3. This is tricky....has Rairdon or any other coach called a timeout during a blow out and called for a specific set play? I would say yes...and could that be considered humiliation? Depends on what side of the scoreboard you are on.

Keith--

With regard to your point #3 above--Do you have any specific examples/proof of this happening or is it just supposition on your part?
If you have specific, documented evidence, lets have it. 
If not, your statement is libelous and warrants a retraction. 
It depends on what side of the truth you're on, not, as you said, what side of the scoreboard.   

hahaha, I didnt realize I was in court. So since I was lucky/smart enough to say any other coach, I can verify that in my playing day, my coach called a timeout during a game when we were up by 20 in the first half (lead was 30 and we let them go on a 10-0 run in about 2 minutes), to coach us on sloppy play and he called a specific play that led to a 3 pointer. My opinion is that he was trying to focus us and not add humiliation to our opponent but since I was not in his mind, I cant say. So if a coach does what I just described my coach doing, what would your thoughts be?

Quote from: AndOne on November 19, 2013, 02:14:08 PM
Greg,

1. Of course I have no objection to the "System" I think it can be a lot of fun---to watch and probably to play. Its how you play it that matters. And Michelle and almost every other coach has too much class to ever turn her style of "system" play into the aborted version displayed by the Grinnell coach.

2. It is a legitimate analogy. You said "what a basketball player is supposed to do......obey his coach's instructions. You didn't qualify your statement in any way, shape, or form. Therefore the inference is that it is always the player's duty to obey the coach.

3. Neither Todd Raridon nor Gerry Schmutte would stoop to giving instructions designed to humiliate an opponent so the question of insurrection would never arise. 

1. Roof has pulled out of the "system" during the end of a blowout and even played a zone to slow down the score (I think I saw it last season in a blowout in the early season tip off tourney
2. Cmon, we all know the point that was being illustrated
3. This is tricky....has Rairdon or any other coach called a timeout during a blow out and called for a specific set play? I would say yes...and could that be considered humiliation? Depends on what side of the scoreboard you are on.

Quote from: RogK on November 18, 2013, 12:04:31 PM
I just saw that NC committed 51 turnovers, which has to be the most disappointing aspect by far for them.
Hope had 32 steals. How and where on the floor did they get all those steals?
And NC got up only 19 3FG att, un-System-like. Credit Hope for preventing them, or wasn't NC looking for threes?

it felt like a ton of them were on post entry passes. Some were bad passes and some were well defended. Hope is a LONG team, disrupting passing lanes and blowing up screens. I dont think they played starters in the 2nd half either. Was a great learning experience for the NCC team

Quote from: RogK on November 18, 2013, 11:46:32 AM
Along those lines, we just had two examples of System teams having to use maximum effort on a Friday evening to eke out a tight victory (Knox over Dominican at North Park, North Central over Ripon in OT), but having very little energy the next afternoon, each getting drilled/destroyed/demolished by 60 and 70.
So, one could certainly say that the System puts a strain on its own players to the point that a quick turnaround day 2 game is going to be difficult.
At least Knox and North Central went 1-1 for the weekend instead of 0-2.
To answer Roundball999's question, when I say the System "works" in a game, I simply mean that it produced a win. And when it does produce a win, accept it as reality. Speculation about how they or any other team would do using an alternate style is merely guessing.
It is not a magical style of play that will turn any team into a dominant team.
Given that it normally yields a game with a large number of possessions for each team (maybe 150 pct of a regular game), it does magnify any mismatch.
As I've said here before, conventional basketball doesn't work very well for a lot of teams either.

I'm not sure the back to back had as much of affect on NCC versus playing a Hope team that is big, athletic, composed and very very good. NCC played better last season in this same tournament, in the 2nd game of the back to back. I missed the first half, but saw the 2nd half and NCC just couldnt make shots or get past Hope defenders. i still think NCC is 4th this season, they have some impact freshman and transfers that help absorb the losses from last season.

Quote from: AndOne on November 08, 2013, 01:09:16 PM

Quote from: keith45 on November 08, 2013, 09:29:40 AM

Quote from: AndOne on November 07, 2013, 10:59:35 PM
North Central will scrimmage at Univ. Of Chicago tomorrow, 11/8, @ 4:30.

Assume it's in Naperville? If so, I may wander over with my little ones

Keith--

Not sure if the interpretation of at is the same in 'Duhawkland' but back east here in civilization "at" usually designates where the game is being played.        

hahaha I missed that (and the scrimmage too, but caught the womens scrimmage)

Quote from: AndOne on November 07, 2013, 10:59:35 PM
North Central will scrimmage at Univ. Of Chicago tomorrow, 11/8, @ 4:30.

Assume it's in Naperville? If so, I may wander over with my little ones

Quote from: RogK on October 29, 2013, 04:44:38 PM
keith45, did you hear anything about the NC/ONU scrimmage? It had to be a challenge for the refs, right?

I did. The first half was a struggle for NCC, to be expected as many key roles are filled by first time system players. They lost by 15 ish I think. 2nd half they won by almost 20. That was encouraging as ONU has been going at it for a few weeks already and this was NCC's first live competition. Some of the freshman impressed, and the returners were solid. I think they have Rockford in a week or so. Overall, a decent start

Quote from: RogK on October 29, 2013, 02:20:42 PM
North Central's top five rebounders last year were Sophie Newson (135), Larynn Shumaker (121), Michelle Todd (121), Emily Murphy (91) and Callie Rezin (76). With all of them, NC still got outrebounded by an average of 12.5 per game. Four of those players are now gone.

I wouldn't hold rebounding as a key stat for a system team..NCC takes so many more shots than opponents, inherently more chances for rebounding......NCC will win by shooting more shots then their opponents (while shooting around average to slightly below average) and causing turnovers. 4 of their 5 top shot takers are back, and 6 of top 10 scorers are back.... 3 of top 5 in steals are back, 3 of top 5 3point shooters are back too.
the Milikin ranking above NCC is one that still confuses me, especially when looking at head to head results and returners

I dont see how Milikin is ranked above NCC, unless there are some transfers we dont know about! NCC beat Milikin handily I think last year, both games. I can talk myself into EC equal to NCC, but with Tess' departure, ECC has to bridge that gap (and they split last year)..and NPU played NCC to 2 1-point games last year, so who knows....

I had NCC 4th, EC 5th, Milikin 6th, and toss up between NPU and Augie. I think Augie can move up this year personally, maybe sneak into 5th

Quote from: RogK on October 24, 2013, 05:46:12 PM
keith45, I heard that around this time last year, the NC women played a scrimmage against Coach Porter's previous team, Olivet Nazarene. If that happens again this fall and if you happen to see it, you could tell us how peculiar a game it is (one System team vs another). Also, I'd like to know what you observe regarding Olivet Naz's 6'4" freshman. Thanks.

The scrimmage is today actually, but it is at Olivet. As much as I love Roof, not making that drive for a scrimmage! I'll ask about the freshman though

hahahaha, good point.

She is enrolled in a CCIW school and will play next year. I'll let the suspense build since I'm headed home from work now and may not log back on here until tomorrow... but an educated guess should tell you.

Was Tess G.'s departure widely known?

I look for them to take a step forward this year...year under their belt, etc. Some good freshman, athletic and quick, but size will be the key. If they can keep pressure on the ball and not allow teams to use their size (like Fiona did last year), I can talk myself into a top 3 finish...

NCC fan here..former assistant with Coach Roof at AU and at NCC.  Still connected to the program...I have been coaching for so long, I was used to not posting and just reading...hahaha