Quote from: lmitzel on February 12, 2020, 04:13:13 PM
Strength of schedule was the first thing that came to mind.

-Augie's SOS: .578
-Elmhurst's SOS: .526

Other thought that crossed my mind is that head to head/common opponents is a criteria, and even though they aren't counting RRO's yet, Elmhurst going 1-3 against the two teams above them (Augie 1-2, NCC 3-0) must have played something of a role.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2020, 04:10:48 PM

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Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2020, 03:16:16 PM


Let me be the first:

Oof.  Elmhurst at #8?  Wow.

Recency Bias.

It's not, actually.  Looking at the numbers this one makes sense to me.  I think the vRRO will really settle a lot of things.  Benedictine is getting a bump for beating SNC - otherwise they'd be a lot lower.

Also, it looks like Augie's loss to NCC cost them four spots.  I think they'd be 3rd if they'd won that game.

I'll be interested to see how the rematch changes this in a week.

NCC is 3-1 vRRO (lost to BenU). Elmhurst is 2-3 (beat SNC).

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2020, 03:16:16 PM


Let me be the first:

Oof.  Elmhurst at #8?  Wow.

Recency Bias.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2020, 10:18:16 AM
You're as well aware as I am that apportionment of All-CCIW awards isn't that slavishly tied to the standings, Bob. While it would be conspicuous for the champion to only get one player on first team while multiple runners-up got two -- which is why I think that, if NCC wins the title, Cappelletti has a shot at first team, even though he hasn't really had a first-team-type season to date -- the coaches don't hew religiously to the principle of "standings determine awards" up and down the line. Heck, they might not even consider it reason enough to put Cappelletti on first team this season rather than second team. It's just not that hard and fast a rule.

Let's just take the last two seasons as examples. Last season Wheaton finished third at 11-5 and Illinois Wesleyan finished fourth at 10-6. Waaaay behind those two teams came Elmhurst, which tied with Carroll for fifth at 7-9. Yet the Bluejays had the exact same apportionment -- one player on first team, one player on second team -- as did WC and IWU. Two years ago North Central finished third at 12-4, a game behind co-champions Augustana and Illinois Wesleyan. Yet NCC had as many players named to the first team (two) as did Augie, and it had one more than did IWU, which only placed Brady Rose on first team. Furthermore, co-champion IWU had the exact same apportionment -- one on first team, one on second team -- as did the two Wisconsin teams, which tied for fifth at 8-8, five full games behind the Titans. You'd never know by looking at the All-CCIW team that Carroll and Carthage, which like IWU each had one player make first team and one player make second team, finished five games in back of the Titans.

Illinois Wesleyan has a couple of players this season who make good second-team candidates -- Yoder and Doug Wallen -- and it would make sense for both of them to make second team. But Yoder really isn't first-team material. He's only prominent in two statistical categories this season, as he's second in the CCIW in both FT percentage and steals, and neither of those categories is typically a ballot-influencing kind of category. What are ballot-influencing categories for a point guard, aside from scoring (where Yoder ranks a relatively modest 14th with 13.3 ppg), are assists and a:to ... and Yoder trails several other CCIW PGs (Rhode, who is the best CCIW PG by a country mile, Crishawn Cook, and Ryan Clarey) and is roughly equal with another (Jack Jelen) in those categories.

He's just not a first-teamer, Bob.

Glad Greg handled this so I didn't have to waste my time today.

Big Blue was tough last night against the green weenies. They got a nice player in Troy Burrows.

Wow, that BU v AU game has to be the biggest blowout I've ever seen in that rivalry. Any chance the Spartans bring back coach Lance Robinson?

Quote from: AndOne on November 27, 2019, 04:34:31 PM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 27, 2019, 11:34:32 AM
On the air towards the end of the game, Kevin Jackman referred back to another pivotal turning point, which came with 7:41 to go and the Cardinals only down 41-40. Will Clausel put up a trey attempt that swirled around the rim twice, rested for a moment at the left crotch of the rim, and then gently tumbled off as a miss. If that goes in, then the entire gym goes berserk, NCC has its first lead since the opening four minutes of the game, and who knows how the rest of the game plays out.

The headline on Benedictine's athletics page reads, "Stifling Defense Sends Men's Hoops to Upset", but that's not really accurate. North Central had all of the good looks at the basket that a team could want last night; the Cardinals were simply jinxed in one of those weird lid-on-the-basket games that happens every few years to even good offenses. One thing's for sure: NCC is not likely to go 15-53 (28%) from the field and 6-33 (18%) from downtown again anytime soon. The Cardinals were so hexed last night that Benedictine pulled off the upset in spite of the fact that the Bennies themselves shot well below their season averages from the field and from beyond the arc.

Stifling defense? Not really close to accurate. The truth is that very shortly after the "contest" began, Keith Bunkenburg realized that the Cardinals were unwilling and/or unable to get the ball inside coupled with a fondness for launching bombs from downtown Naperville, few of which were falling within a mile or so of the target. Accordingly, the "stifling" defense consisted largely of the Eagles sagging back and basically daring the Cardinals to shoot wide open looks from beyond the arc. NCC played right into this trap. Of the 53 shots they took in the game, 33 were from distance. The Cardinals missed their first 13 three point attempts. They hit their 14th and 15th threes, but then missed their next two to finish the half 2 for 17 (11.8%). It was somewhat of a miracle that they only trailed 24-22 at the half. They were more than twice as successful in the second half, but still only hit 25% from three (4 for 16) as they kept playing right into Benedictine's "stifling" defensive plan.

Failing to even approach an acceptable percentage from three coupled with an inability or unwillingness to get the ball inside, the Cardinals should have put the ball on the floor and gone aggressively to the hoop. Their 86.7% success rate from the line attests to the fact that the foul line was where more shots should have been taken rather than from just outside the Lantern in downtown Naperville. This approach would have forced Bene big Eric Grygo to move a little more, and play more defense which would have resulted in a good chance of his fouling out, (he had 3 fouls w/o having to play much defense) thus removing the primary BU inside threat on offense, and further opening the BU defense to additional inside penetration.

Some may disagree, but I think that when you commit only 8 TOs and hold the other team to 56 points, you should win the game.

A little voice in my head is whispering that some members of the Cardinal roster who heretofore have been pretty inconspicuous, will be seeing increased PT in the near future. The Cardinals have a lot of work to do to live up to their high potential. Who will step into the current void, and get the necessary work done? The question begs an affirmative response.

Sounds like AndOne should be coaching the team...

This is a BenU team that's given up 49, 51, and 58 in their last three games. The reason the Cardinals didn't "put the ball on the floor and go aggressively to the hoop" is because outside of Raridon, they couldn't.

Augie dropped both halves of a scrimmage last night to Benedictine, 31-27 and 34-30.

Is it true former Rockford coach Andrew Weber is starting a NACC hoops podcast? Someone post the link.

Quote from: Titan Q on October 30, 2019, 08:53:36 AM
Any thoughts on potential impact newcomers this season?  Here are a few guys I have heard good things about...

* NCC has 6-6 F Brian Johnson (Glenbrook North HS).

* Augie has: 5-11 PG Jack McDonald (Geneva HS); 6-8 C Daniel Carr (Regis Jesuit HS CO); 6-6 F Justin Bottorff (John Wood CC/Quincy Notre Dame HS); 6-3 F Luther Taylor (Whitfield HS MO).

* IWU has: 5-11 G Keondre Schumacher (D1 Winthrop U/Normal U High); 6-0 PG Luke Yoder (Bloomington Central Catholic HS); 6-7 F Cody Mitchell (St. Charles East HS).

No mention Of NCC's Shea Cupples? Thought this was your #1 team Q?