https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d3/regional-rankings-0

At the bottom of this page has updated SOS, RvRRO's and NCSOS numbers.  Utica now a .504.  It is a small change but could factor in with their already low SOS in regards to historical standards.

If Macon, St Joes, Eastern and St Johns all win today; the committee will be looking at taking 7 of the following 13 teams (Alphabetical Order):

Babson: 18-7 (WP .720, SOS .576, RvRRO 3-5 (Wins: Emerson 2-1, @ Amherst) NCSOS .563

Brandeis (Still play vs NYU today, assuming they win): 15-9 (WP .625, SOS .609, RvRRO 7-7 (Wins: vs Dartmouth, vs Babson, vs Tufts, @ Rochester (1-1), vs WashU, NYU 2-0) NCSOS .538

Calvin: 19-7 (WP .731, SOS .542 RvRRO 5-5 (Wins: vs Elmhurst, Trine 3-0, @ UW Stout) NCSOS .601

CMS: 16-8 (WP .667, SOS .556 RvRRO 5-5 (Wins: vs P-Pitzer, vs Pac Lutheran, vs Cal Lutheran, vs Linfield, @ Chapman) NCSOS .496

DeSales: 22-5 (WP . 815, SOS .512 RvRRO 5-2 (Wins: @ Hood, vs Neumann, @ Montclair St, Stevens 2-0) NCSOS .588

Emerson: 18-7 (WP .720, SOS .579 RvRRO 4-6 (Wins: vs Babson (N) (1-2), vs Brandies, @ Tufts, vs Keene St) NCSOS .563

Hanover: 21-5 (WP .808, SOS .507, RvRRO 5-1 (Wins: @ Wabash, @ Trans (2-1), Rose Hulman (2-0) NCSOS .511

Hood: 19-7 (Play Eastern, in if win, bubble if lose) (WP .731, SOS .565 (will go up with game today), RvRRO 2-6 (Wins: Alvernia 2-0) NCSOS .603

Middlebury: 18-6 (WP .750, SOS .545, RvRRO 3-4 (Wins: @ Magnus, vs Amherst, vs Trinity) NCSOS .501

Roanoke: 18-9 (WP .667, SOS .561, RvRRO 4-6 (Wins: vs Marietta, vs Eastern, @ VA Wesleyan, vs Buena Vista) NCSOS .524

Rochester: 17-8 (WP .680, SOS .586, RvRRO 7-7 (Wins: vs Stockton, @ Ithaca, NYU 2-0, @ Brandeis (1-1), @ Wash, vs Case) NCSOS .543

Rowan: 23-5 (WP .821, SOS .530, RvRRO 4-5 (Wins: @ Rutgers Newark (2-1) vs Montclair, vs Marymount NCSOS .517

Utica: 23-4 (WP .852, SOS .506, RvRRO 3-3 (Wins: vs Nazarth (1-2), St John Fisher (2-0)) NCSOS .531

Thanks to Drew Pasteur for the numbers! NCSOS is from the last regional rankings so subject to slight change.

Quote from: CNU85 on November 05, 2021, 09:49:44 PM
Good start for CNU. Tough game coming up on Sunday.

Understatement in terms of huge game Sunday or good start Ryan?  CNU is consistently one of the most underappreciated teams in the country by the national media.  I think their fan base expects them to beat Hopkins at home. 2 Final 4's in half a decade and hosting to go to elite 8 prior to COVID.  They seem to never get talked about among the elites like they probably should. 

To be fair to the pollsters, ranking a Top 25 in D3Hoops is nearly impossible during a regular season due to lack of cross pollination between regions.  Now try making a preseason poll after a COVID season where a large portion of teams did not play and most of those who did play competed only within their conference, GOOD LUCK!

It's not like D1 where there are a lot of cross-country preseason games and teams from the BIG-10 play teams from the ACC or SEC play Big 12.  For the most part, D3hoops is still a very regional sport.  I'd love to see a WIAC vs NESCAC or UAA vs CCIW challenge but budgets don't allow for this.  The D3Hoops Hoopsville Showcase or the Great Lakes Invitational are great but there are not a ton of these type of events. Pollsters usually go with the same regions and conferences because that is what they know but not always accurate.

Look at the 2017-18 season for example.  Going into the NCAA tournament, a full regular season and conference postseason worth of data, the rankings for the Final-4 Teams were Oshkosh (24th), Neb Wesleyan (ORV), Ramapo (No Votes), and Springfield (No Votes).

Are they splitting up the MAC-Commonwealth into two regions?  Albright and Eastern (region 4) look to be in different regions compared to the rest of the Commonwealth in Region 5.

Call off playing or call off being eligible for the tournament/having an AQ for their conference. 

I'm sure there will be a large portion of teams/conferences that start late and will not have a tournament champion by the time the NCAA Tournament is set to commence.

And don't say look at how one team has done the last few years ... Cabrini was a power for several years, did that mean the CSAC was a Top 15 conference? Yeshiva was an incredible team this year. Does that mean the Skyline is Top 15? I don't even know if I would put the Centennial in the Top 10 (off the top of my head, in no particular order: WIAC, CCIW, NESCAC, UAA, ODAC, SUNYAC, NEWMAC, NCAC, OAC, ARC are probably in my top ten before I consider CAC or Centennial ... and that leaves out MIAC [top heavy this season], NWC [three-teams deep on top this season], and others).


This is my general point.  The CAC deserves to be rated close if not above some of the conferences you mentioned. 

CNU has made 2 final fours in the past 5 years (and had a home game against Hobart to go back to Fort Wayne).

York has won NCAA tournament games in 3 straight years.

The Mid-Atlantic Region should be considered one of the top 2 or 3 regions in the country.

The D3Hoops Top 25 poll and D3 All-American and D3 All-Region Selections do not reflect the general strength of the CAC conference, this is my overall point.  If I am not accurate in my points I would to hear a solid argument why I am wrong!

I mean no disrespect at D3hoops for who you are or what you do.  I understand you guys do a great job promoting our sport to the general public.   

But my point is the CAC is stronger than D3Hoops has portrayed in the last 5 years. One player in the first or second team MA All-Region D3Hoops Team and zero in the AA teams from the CAC is a pretty hard knock and disrespectful given the general competitiveness of the conference.  If you have an argument about that fact I would love to hear it!

Yes there are 42 conferences but the CAC has been a 2-bid league (sometimes 3-bid) for many years and rated in the top 10 on average for the last 5 years according to Massey and 7th this year according to Matt Snyder's Efficiency Rating.  If there is a better Conference Rating system then would love to hear it!

I know your job is hard and obviously a lot of players feel shafted when you make your selections.  I feel the CAC as a whole has been underrated massively by D3Hoops in recent years (Mary Washington would have been the 3rd best team in the Centennial this year).

The fact that only ONE player was put on your D3hoops MA all-region teams and ZERO CAC players were put on your AA teams shows some disrespect from a national perspective. It's pretty obvious the CAC is a top 10 conference the past 5 years in the country and deserved to have at least 2 teams this season in your D3Hoops Top 25. 

It would be nice for a D3Hoops media member to come down for a big CAC game (IE York vs CNU) instead of watching elite teams play bottom feeders of the Centennial and the Landmark!

All-Region MA I would argue Greg Rowson-Mary Wash and Jason Aigner-CNU were both very deserving of 2nd Team, Aigner could have probably been 1st team.

Wagner finished 2nd in total assists in country (202), 3rd in steals in country (81), and led the CAC in PPG, STPG, and top 10 in RPG.

CAC is rated 12th in Massey, Centennial 19th.

I really don't want to talk negatively against any player named over Wagner but his numbers are comparable to the MA Player of the Year and D3Hoops 3rd Team AA Conner Delaney.

Jared Wagner: 18.3 PPG, 7.0 APG, 6.1 RPG, 2.8 STPG POY CAC

Conner Delaney: 17.5 PPG, 4.9 APG, 3.7 RPG, 1.6 STPG, POY CENT

My "bias" would be the Centennial being viewed by D3Hoops relatively a much stronger league than the CAC.  Please explain this to the CAC crowd.

D3Hoops showing a lack of respect for the CAC.  All-Region team has one player (Aigner and Rowson definitely worthy of at the VERY LEAST 2nd team) and Jared Wagner not even honorable-mention for All-American (probably should have been POY in MA Region). 

The CAC has been a multi-bid league for over half a decade and CNU has been to the Final 4 twice in 5 years (and probably was going to go again this year if not for COVID-19). 

Am I missing something or is there a lack of respect for this conference from a national POV?

How hard would it be for the committee to try and seed teams 1-16 in each region?  Colby/CNU would be a heck of a 5/12 game in the division-1 bracket, assuming Stevens is a 4-seed.  Obviously CNU is fairly land-locked and could only get to Mt Union, Stevens, Swat, Hopkins (who they played already) and Macon (who they played already) so that may not be a fair example.

For instance, Mount Union Region according to Massey (not a NCAA measurement) and where they finished ranked in their region:

1. Mt Union (1) GL-1
16. Cairn (284) Unranked
8. York (26) MA-3
9. St John Fisher (96) Unranked

4. Wittenberg (6) GL-3
13. La Roche (145) GL-9
5. Benedictine (83) CE-5
12. Susquehanna (93) MA-8

2. Macon (3) S-1
15. Wesley (142) AT-4
7. Marietta (20) GL-4
10. TCNJ (57) AT-3

3. Hopkins (14) MA-2
14. Penn State Harrisburg (202) Unranked
6. WPI (45) NE-5
11. Yeshiva (22) AT-2

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2020, 01:27:24 AM

Our mock had Yeshiva hosting largely because geography limited options out west and we didn't think the committee would give the nescac three pods.  There are a lot of options with that spot (including RPI, probably).  When Yeshiva was in the tournament two years ago, they did adjust the schedule so they could play early Friday afternoon.  If they win, the second game will be late Saturday night (after sundown).

However, the committee is hoping to stagger start times the first weekend if they can anyway - so we may seen games from 1pm on through the rest of the day.  But certainly Yeshiva will be playing early on Friday, no matter where they end up.

My two points were Yeshiva's resume was probably bubble out if they lost in the Skyline tournament so to go from being out to hosting is a bit of a stretch.  Their resume is not better than Wooster's (2-GL), RPI's (2-E), or York's (3-MA) who all are solid viable hosting options and can get to a lot of the other host sites.  In addition to that, on the official box score from the Purchase game, which was standing room only packed, it said official attendance 950.  Is that enough for the NCAA to allow Yeshiva to host?  I am not sure what the capacity requirement is for a host pod.

Also, it's my understanding Yeshiva practices orthodox Judiasm.  I am no religious expert but from sun down Friday to sun down Saturday you are not allowed to pretty much do anything, correct?  How would that work for practice time for the opposing winning team? I assume everyone that works/attends Yeshiva is Jewish orthodox and would not be available to unlock the gym, clean up from the prior game, do laundry etc... that a host site typically would handle.

I understand it's a mock bracket but that is what I meant when saying the NCAA probably does not want to open up that can of worms when there are plenty of other viable options.

Is Yeshiva able to play on Friday night or do they have to adjust the schedule for religious purposes? I don't see how the NCAA has a pod with Yeshiva hosting due to their resume and then factors of when they can play games and handle hosting responsibilities.  It's a can of worms I doubt the NCAA would be willing to open if there are alternative options. They were most likely not going to get in if they lost in the conference tournament. 

Would have to imagine Emory pod and Texas Pod (Letourneau/Texas Dallas) will be adjacent to each other in the bracket to try and minimize flight possibilities.

Emory pod will almost definitely be Emory vs Methodist; Centre vs Transylvania because those are the 3 teams that can get to Emory.