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Quote from: RFB on February 09, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
Why Redlands can't get it together in basketball is beyond me. I really thought Coach Ducey would get the program going but it seems like the stink of Gary Smith remains.

Gary Smith in 36 years - 3 SCIAC titles. .500 Win %
Jim Ducey in first 7 years - 2 SCIAC titles. .516 Win %

I think the only stink is your attitude.  Stay on the football board.

Nah, I think I will hang here for a minute or two. It's too much fun reading your butthurt response.

I think Coach Ducey has the same number of SCIAC championship as Coach Maynard in that same period of time.  Guess Manynard just isnt the same coach he used to be.

Puhleez.. Coach Ducey should have to interview for his job again after losing to Cal Tech.

You are Bob Nelson's inspiration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BerJdS2VJhA

Quote from: RFB on February 09, 2015, 07:22:57 PM

Quote from: sciacguru on February 09, 2015, 05:57:46 PM

Quote from: RFB on February 09, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
Why Redlands can't get it together in basketball is beyond me. I really thought Coach Ducey would get the program going but it seems like the stink of Gary Smith remains.

Gary Smith in 36 years - 3 SCIAC titles. .500 Win %
Jim Ducey in first 7 years - 2 SCIAC titles. .516 Win %

I think the only stink is your attitude.  Stay on the football board.

Nah, I think I will hang here for a minute or two. It's too much fun reading your butthurt response.

I think Coach Ducey has the same number of SCIAC championship as Coach Maynard in that same period of time.  Guess Manynard just isnt the same coach he used to be.

Quote from: RFB on February 09, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
Why Redlands can't get it together in basketball is beyond me. I really thought Coach Ducey would get the program going but it seems like the stink of Gary Smith remains.

Gary Smith in 36 years - 3 SCIAC titles. .500 Win %
Jim Ducey in first 7 years - 2 SCIAC titles. .516 Win %

I think the only stink is your attitude.  Stay on the football board.

Quote from: madzillagd on April 02, 2014, 06:33:22 PM
Not exactly the Colby bench celebration highlights but there is some basketball....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EzKhCXK2jo&app=desktop

Oxy vs Redlands.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0UJRuFjZRs

Quote from: madzillagd on March 07, 2014, 12:50:16 PM
Yep, this talk is starting to irritate me.  The issue is not with the turnaround, the issue rests squarely on the shoulders of the coach.  It is up to the coach to make sure his rotation is solid so that he doesn't negativity impact the performance of his players.  There's not a lot of leeway when you win a game by 1 point to say he should have done much differently, but the reality is he played his starters a ton of minutes in Game 1 which means they didn't have much in the tank for Game 2.  That's the choice that was made (and I can't say it was wrong because maybe that's what won the game), but it wasn't the only option available.  Wade played 6 minutes in the first game after averaging 15 mpg throughout the season.  Sulker-Hall played 6 mins in Game 1 after averaging 19 mins a game during the season.  Lynott - 9 mins in Game 1, averaged 20 mpg during the year. 

If you are looking for something that impacted the legs of the players in Game 2 of the tournament, look no further than how Game 1 was coached and how many more minutes guys played.  It is normal to tighten up a rotation in a tournament game so this isn't that surprising to see.  The starters played 3, 3, 5, 13, and 9 more minutes than their averages. Had they not played quite as much, then you likely would have seen a better effort on Game 2 but there is no guarantee they would have won Game 1 if that had happened.   

During tournament time, the starters will typically play more minutes than normal.  That is a given.  And when faced with a one and done scenario, dont you think it wise to play your best players the most minutes, at the most crucial times?  Did playing the starters major minutes possibly sacrifice energy for the next game?  Probably.  But I dont think Coach Rider and his staff were concerned about Saturday night's energy level.  If they lost on Friday, it becomes a moot point.

And I think it was coaching that won that game for CLU against CMS.  Having watched CLU play several times this year, it looked as if they totally changed their O in preparation for CMS.  Coach Rider is known for his low post play and trying to pound it down low.  It looked as if they opened it up with cuts off the hi-post, that evidently opened things up for Smith (31 pts).

Quote from: madzillagd on March 07, 2014, 02:38:46 PM
Considering how rare it has been for CLU to make the championship game in the last couple decades, not sure why they don't go ahead and stay overnight near the championship site because it isn't like it happens every year.  Common practice among teams/conferences that play in these back to back end of the year tournaments. 

And I would agree it has been rare for CLU or any other SCIAC team to make the championship game the last couple of decades.......since it's only been around for what? 6 years?  And I believe it becomes a cost issue, housing 25 people overnight, when it is only a 1.5-2 hr commute.  The SCIAC is very rare indeed to have such close proximity to ALL of its conference opponents, unlike the rest of the country.

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Quote from: stag44 on February 26, 2014, 12:48:32 AM
CLU @ CMS

Based on what I saw last Saturday between Claremont and Cal Lutheran, particularly CLU's utter inability to defend against CMS, and the several CLU games I've seen this season, Claremont will win on Friday, and it may not be close.

OxyBob

CMS came in leading the SCIAC in FG% (51%), 3 pt% (41%), and rebound margin (7.2).

Fri night - 40.8% FG, 35.3% from 3, and +2 in rebounding.

Quote from: Bigcat on January 21, 2014, 12:55:30 AM
This team is best in transition. They have been able to put up big numbers on offense because of their guards athleticism and ability to get out and run. Half court is a different story. That offense is perhaps the most robotic, mechanical offense I have ever seen. It's like the guys aren't even looking to score. It seems like they are just running through the motions to please the coach. When they do score, it usually comes from a baby hook from one of the bigs from the low block, or a backdoor cut. The offense is very predictable and easy to defend. You take away the back door cuts, take advantage of Chapman's lack of size by fronting the post and forcing them to try and throw a lob pass to an undersized big, and live with Hamasaki or Zavrsnick taking a tough shot at the end of the shot clock, which is what usually happens.

I would think baby hooks from 5ft, and back door cuts would be wanted in an offense - worked for John Wooden.  Last time I looked, Chapman is shooting 49% from the field (2nd in SCIAC) and 42.4% from 3 pointers (1st in SCIAC).  And they arent playing against high school girls' teams any more.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 18, 2014, 09:09:30 PM

Actually, you meant to imply it, not infer it. The speaker or writer implies, and the listener or reader infers.

Well I guess I'm right and wrong. I like to listen and read what I say and write.

But that's why I only got into State schools!!

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Quote from: WoostAr on January 14, 2014, 12:30:59 PM
However, I do agree it is quite impressive that a schools with such rigorous academics can compete year in year out.

??

I think it's just the opposite.  Besides the state schools....cough, cough....(WIAC).....I think you will find the high academic "destination" schools able to compete at a high level every year.

Rag on the WIAC if you must, but they're far from the only public schools in d3. New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas, Minnesota,  even California all have public schools in the division.

For the record,  UWSP's team GPA after the first semester was 3.4. That's academic success no matter where it is.

Virginia, Maryland, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Maine, Connecticut as well ...

At no point did I infer that UWSP, or any WIAC school is poor academically.  I think that it is great that the Pointers are successful both on and off the court.  That is the epitome of Division III.  What I meant to infer is that particularly the WIAC schools, of all the state schools, have the foundation to be successful every year.  Sure, their admissions standards may be lower than that of the aforementioned  "high academic" schools, but so are the majority of private schools throughout D3.  What separates them is their foundation of cost, size, academic scholarships, and facilities that rival some D1 schools. 
I wont go into full research, but I'm pretty sure that there is a team from the WIAC that is a serious contender for a national title in each sport, every year.  And for the schools that can not satisfy all or some of the qualities for a strong foundation, their teams will be successful cyclically or not at all.

Quote from: WoostAr on January 14, 2014, 12:30:59 PM
However, I do agree it is quite impressive that a schools with such rigorous academics can compete year in year out.

??

I think it's just the opposite.  Besides the state schools....cough, cough....(WIAC).....I think you will find the high academic "destination" schools able to compete at a high level every year.  Normally these schools have a broader recruiting base, bigger endowments (financial aid), and greater sustainability.  Typically these schools produce the same type of players (cookie cutters) year in and year out.  Pomona and CMS are no different....and Chapman is heading in this direction.  Here are some just to name a few:

Amherst
Williams
Wash U.
Chicago
MIT
Rochester
Illinois Wes.

And yes, you will have schools come up and win, but will they sustain it??  It boils down to financial aid, and typically most, if not all, of the higher academic D3 schools competing with the IVYs, can meet need for their students.  And you will find that 3 of the lowest student graduating debt schools across the nation are right here in the SCIAC......Pomona, Claremont, CIT.

Here are a few links.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/photos/private-colleges-with-the-lowest-student-graduating-debt/#!slide=981583

http://www.kiplinger.com/tool/college/T014-S001-kiplinger-s-best-values-in-private-colleges/index.php?table=lib_arts&state_code[]=ALL&id[]=none&sortby=ug_class_avg_debt_d&sortorder=ASC

This in no way diminishes the coaching ability of the Head coaches of these institutions.  But you must take into consideration which schools have the best financial aid directors/policies as well. Especially at the D3 level.  Big difference in $40,000+ debt after graduation vs. less than $20.000.

Pat, you can turn the comments around however you want, or maybe you just dont understand, so let me list it out for you.

1.  The POY from the SCIAC was the 4th leading scorer on its team.  So I have a feeling that the coach that won the conference, selected the player that was most valuable to his team.  This has been standard in the SCIAC for years.  As for the remaining All Conference players, I believe the coaches select based upon their individual stats/play.....so I think they DO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

2.  Evidently, you do not have faith in the coaches' ability to judge talent, since you allowed a player to be named All-Region by SIDs despite the fact that player wasnt even selected as an all conference player.  I am sure there are much better players in the region that are more deserving....maybe even from his own team, since one of his teammates did make All conference.  Sympathy votes need not apply.

3.  And as for leaving off the POY from the SCIAC, that is where your research needs to come in play with overall stats against regional competition, and base the All-Region teams upon that.  I would think that even you could see that someone who averaged 8.8 pts and 4.4 rebs may not be a viable candidate for All-Region and probably wasnt the conference's best player.  Once again, I think there are better players in the region that are more deserving, regardless of position.

How many teams nowadays actually play G,G,F,F,C...looks more like G,G,G,F,F or G,G,G,F,C.

And based upon your arguments, it sounds like the last two F/C spots were just fill ins.

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Quote from: sciacguru on March 15, 2011, 02:54:22 AM
Wow, the all region teams came out...good stuff.  Except for the names on them...at least the West region teams.  Really??? 

Put someone on the All region team that didn't even make all conference in his own league.

David Riley 3rd team???  He was the 2nd best player on the #1 team in the country, and reigning conference player of the year.

The Conference Player of the year last year was Nate Montegomery.  He was also the West Region player of the year.  Riley didn't make an all region team.

Yes, Montgomery was the POY.  Excuse my frustrated response.  But putting him on the 3rd team is an outrage.  Justin Riley is a very good player, and probably the key to Chapman's success the past two years, but better than David Riley, I dont think so.  I understand this debate can round and round.  Compare stats....even head to head and I think D.R. comes out ahead.  I guess D.R. should have won the swing vote by writing for "Daily Dose."

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2011, 09:51:29 AM

Quote from: sciacguru on March 15, 2011, 02:54:22 AM
David Riley 3rd team???  He was the 2nd best player on the #1 team in the country, and reigning conference player of the year.

And Mills, 4th leading scorer on his team, was not a center....Sanctivores (sp?) and Colston were......just to argue the G,G,F,F,C team format.

But the SID's know who the best players are.

Mills was the SCIAC player of the year. Is that also voted on by the SIDs? Or, perhaps, is it voted on by coaches?

He was nominated as a center, listed as a center on Redlands' roster. It's not possible for me to know if that's somehow not correct. Doesn't matter, as we would simply change the label on him and still have two guards, three forwards.

I would think in all of your D3 infinite wisdom that you could and would read through that about Mills and do some research.  I dont think it's the first time in a conference where the Most Outstanding Player didnt win the POY award, but maybe the most valuable player on the conference champion did.  I understand that voting for a conference POY, but all-region should be based upon how they produced (stats, win %, etc.) in their respective regions - in and out of conference play.  I am sure Mills was an outstanding leader for that team and a key to their success.

And I dont think the coaches voted Elmquist to the All-Sciac 1st or 2nd team....but evidently he is a 3rd team all-region performer.

Wow, the all region teams came out...good stuff.  Except for the names on them...at least the West region teams.  Really??? 

Put someone on the All region team that didn't even make all conference in his own league.

David Riley 3rd team???  He was the 2nd best player on the #1 team in the country, and reigning conference player of the year.

And Mills, 4th leading scorer on his team, was not a center....Sanctivores (sp?) and Colston were......just to argue the G,G,F,F,C team format.

But the SID's know who the best players are.

Anyone else notice that there is something missing in the Oxy/CIT box score? No Deshun Mccoy?

Quote from: OxyBob on February 23, 2011, 02:54:56 AM
Eyewitness report from Pasadena:

Caltech 46, Oxy 45

Well, I didn't want to see it, but I didn't want to miss it. Congratulations to Caltech on its long-awaited conference victory.

The Tigers have no one to blame but themselves. They led 45-37 at 4:30 but didn't score the rest of the way. Caltech only shot 24.5% from the floor, to 47.5% for Oxy. The Tigers held Mike Edwards (15.4 ppg) to 2 points. Ryan Elmquist was only 4-for-16 from the floor, but Oxy kept fouling him and Elmquist kept shooting FTs and making them, 15-for-19 in all (10-for-10 in the 1st half).

Game ball to Marcus Lucas, who came off the Caltech bench and grabbed 5 offensive rebs in 11 min and had a key put back to pull CIT within one at 10:30.

For CIT, Elmquist scored 23 and 9 rebs, and Todd Cramer had 10. For Oxy, Kris Montoya played a solid game with 15 pts, and Jake Copithorne had 16 rebs. Jack Hanley, coming off a 33-point game against CLU, was held to 4 pts on only 2-for-5.

Rick Greenwald can finally add an epilogue to Quantum Hoops.

Speaking of congratulations, great job by Cal Lutheran to win its last 4 and clinch the 4th spot in the conference tournament with its 84-76 win over Whittier. Congratulations also to Rich Reed, who coached La Verne to its first appearance in the SCIAC tournament. Congratulations to Jim Ducey and Redlands. The Bulldogs are SCIAC co-champs for the first time since '89-'90. And congratulations to Claremont, which lost all-star Chris Blees and still persevered to win a share of the conference championship.

SCIAC tournament: CLU @ Redlands in Currier Gym, and La Verne @ Claremont in the Temple of Doom. CLU's got a chance as long as they are not going to rely on Aaron Van Klaveren shooting FTs. ULV needs huge games from Trevor Woodland and Austin Napolitano to win at CMS.

OxyBob

Meier - 2nd Team

Here is your All-SCIAC team:

http://thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2008-09/news/mbb_allsciac_0809