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Quote from: MapleBBQChicken on December 08, 2024, 10:07:46 PMOn the subject of NESCAC players in the Super Bowl, let's not forget about Stephen Hauschka (Middlebury '07). He won one with the Seahawks in the 2013-14 season and was 2/2 on field goals and 5/5 on extra points in that 43-8 win over the Broncos. He played in the Super Bowl the next year too (and he'd have a second ring if the Seahawks gave the ball to Marshawn Lynch at the goal line ).

Great trip down memory lane of past nescac SB players but let's be real: if Hauschka didn't play a season at NC State , get some Lou Groza recognition, he would have never been invited to a camp and his NFL career would have never happened. Tremendous kicker though and cool he played at Middlebury.

Point taken, but he also wouldn't have gotten his spot at NC State without his success at Midd. Similarly, Logan Tomlinson probably wouldn't be in the NFL conversation without his pit stop at UNH, but I'm sure the board will be (justifiably) fired up if he gets a shot at the next level.

Interesting point. However, there are now a bunch of former NESCACers in scouting, coaching, and player personnel roles in the NFL, including Wes alum Shane Shannell (Director of Pro Scouting for the Bucs and future NFL GM). Shane is well known for liking guys below the Power 4 level. NFL scouts are always looking for that hidden gem. Logan is no secret and those guys would have been all over him even without his success at UNH, IOO. 

I'm guessing Lutzy gets a look too then? Meaning a FA camp invite.

Quote from: MapleBBQChicken on December 08, 2024, 10:07:46 PMOn the subject of NESCAC players in the Super Bowl, let's not forget about Stephen Hauschka (Middlebury '07). He won one with the Seahawks in the 2013-14 season and was 2/2 on field goals and 5/5 on extra points in that 43-8 win over the Broncos. He played in the Super Bowl the next year too (and he'd have a second ring if the Seahawks gave the ball to Marshawn Lynch at the goal line ).

Great trip down memory lane of past nescac SB players but let's be real: if Hauschka didn't play a season at NC State , get some Lou Groza recognition, he would have never been invited to a camp and his NFL career would have never happened. Tremendous kicker though and cool he played at Middlebury.

Chaz and fellas, just like the Ivy's, this isn't a coach or AD in favor of thing. Of course they are in favor of playoffs as are all of us fans. The Nescac presidents would have to vote and approve it. From those who have spoken with Robin Harris recently, the Ivy presidents are lukewarm on playoffs as we stand here today fwiw.

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Quote from: BigKat on November 21, 2024, 08:56:29 AMTotally possible, don't have a lot of insight to how POY decisions are made. Votes, back room conversations etc..NM probably knows more.

As we understand it, here's how the process works for the major NESCAC Awards: OPOTY, DPOTY, and ROTY.

Each team/coach gets one nomination from their team per award. So for OPOTY, for example, Coach Dice nominated Chase Wilson for OPOTY. There are no other nominations for OPOTY from Wesleyan and he was the only NESCAC OPOTY nominated for Wesleyan. Coach Dice had to decide between Chase and Niko. We believe teams do not have to nominate a player from their team if they feel they do not have anyone worthy of the Award. For example, we're pretty sure that Amherst did not have a nomination for OPOTY. Then the coaches vote with each team/coach getting one vote. Teams/coaches cannot vote for their own player so Coach Dice could not vote for Chase. Majority votes win.

They then repeat that same process for DPOTY and ROTY.

Coach of the Year works a bit differently. No nominees. Secret ballot, each team/coach gets one vote and you cannot vote for yourself/your coaching staff. Majority wins.

We think this is a fair process. We know for fact that there is thought put into this process and the coaches take this very seriously. Hope that helps Big Kat.

NM     

Helpful NM and makes sense. thanks

Totally possible, don't have a lot of insight to how POY decisions are made. Votes, back room conversations etc..NM probably knows more.

A lot of boo hooing about Berluti and a lifetime achievement 1st team nod this year. I will agree it wasn't his best season statistically ...but..let's not forget him getting absolutely hosed his sophomore year for OPOY when his numbers were other worldly 26 td's/3ints. At a bare minimum he should have been co OPOY with Lutz.


Countless examples of kids being overlooked or more importantly not being championed hard enough by their coach. Was this a make up penalty for the egregious mistake in '22? maybe.

Quote from: GroundandPound on November 19, 2024, 03:20:14 PMIt is great for the NESCAC that Tim Forth is getting interest from the NFL.  Tomlinson is having an outstanding season at UNH and I hope he gets some opportunities to play in the NFL if that is what he would like to do.  I also hope Tighe Hoey gets an opportunity to show his skills at the next level if he has such a desire.  He is No. 2 in D3 at 44 plus yards per punt. I would like to think there is an agent who could get him some opportunities.  The same for Shuran. 

G&P, I love your enthusiasm but just to level set , there are a literally a hundred punters and kickers better than both those guys who can't get a sniff in the league . It's arguably the hardest position to land at the next level. The Aussies now have a farm system of older punters coming to play at power 5 schools . Check rosters of the top 50 programs. 25pct will be Aussie punters .

Could they land a spot in arena league or CFL? Also doubtful but who knows . Hats off to both of them on great careers and being difference makers for their squads .

Quote from: Ephs1 on November 19, 2024, 09:11:08 AMNot sure about the punter but I have no doubt Coach Raymond would go to bat for Ivan. He's a senior and has been lights out for four years.

Agreed on the Williams kicker;he was outstanding. But do they give it to the kid who had most fgs( and misses) in league batting a very mediocre 70pct? Who knows. As I said , its not scientific. Some of the specialist selections have been even more absurd than that example through the years

Quote from: nescac1 on November 18, 2024, 10:10:01 PMSeven is not unreasonable for a 5 win team by historical standards.  Usually the best team gets around double that?

But more importantly, there is no way shape or form that the Williams kicker and punter aren't both in the top two at their position in the league. And these are individual awards. Let's see when the actual awards are released so we can discuss.

Just because you are top two/three in your position means little if you are on a mediocre team and you don't get the slots and/or have your coach go to bat for you. Have seen many kids ( and a lot of specialists) slighted over the last five years. And conversely many undeserving players get the all league recognition. Expect to be disappointed in many of the choices. As mentioned earlier, these aren't sabermetrics guys breaking down the data in a back room somewhere-it's mostly a beauty/popularity context in several close cases.

Quote from: Razorback on November 15, 2024, 10:13:09 PMThere clearly were lot of talented specialists this season.  But wanted to call out the Tufts kicker, Junior Vaughn Seelicke, who had a very strong season:  Leading scorer in the NESCAC and tied NESCAC record for FGs in a season with 14;  Set Tufts records for FGs in a season with 14, FGs in a career with 27; Broke Tufts record for PATs in a career with 92.  He know holds or shares every FG/PAT record, and he has a another season to add to these totals.

Congrats to him on a great career.  However 70pct FG pct with only two makes over 40 puts him middle of the pack this year.

Quote from: SpringSt7 on November 14, 2024, 07:34:47 PMEvery year the coaches tell us very clearly with their voting that they do not value tackles or tackles for loss as a stat for all-league consideration. Seems clear to me that their awareness and knowledge of each team's schemes and how the players fit those schemes is a higher priority and probably something they know better than we do, although I am still skeptical as to how much effort goes into their efforts. But I know they don't sort the league leaders page by tackling

Once again there are no " stats" eval going on for these nominations . You are giving them way too much credit . A coach puts you up in the order he wants players recognized and the other coaches say yes or no. For example Hamilton will get maybe 3 players . Their coach I assume will say Hoey is my first guy, so on and so forth.

For POY stuff , I'm sure there are more stats forensics used.

Love that you think the coaches actually examine ST teams stats before making selections. Each team gets an allotment of guys they can put up for all league depending on their record. ( Wesleyan the most, Hamilton the least) If the Trinity and Eph coaches want those two guys on their allotment, they will most likely get it as long as other coaches agree.

And yes whoever said most makes/attempts is most worthy is dead wrong. You don't control those opps as a kicker. Should be based on pct made and then examine clutch kicks as well as distances (in a perfect world)

Quote from: The Mole on November 11, 2024, 09:13:49 AMSmall Cat, thanks for admitting you were wrong, tough to swallow, but much appreciated. The extra motivation for the players that read the board to prove you and the other naysayers wrong is sweet. BTW, we have not been here before, but I suspect that changes going forward. Thank You.

That is abundantly clear Mole. CONGRATS. Maybe next time grace and humility will exude from you 😉

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Quote from: Bucket on November 09, 2024, 07:37:43 PMCongrats to the Cardinals. After seeing them struggle mid-season—after the epic beatdown of my Panthers—I gave them no shot of winning a title.

Hats off to Wes.

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Agreed, saw them play twice on live feed with the brutal homer crew . Mediocre at best would be how I described them. Clearly a down year in league with no " great" squad  and they took advantage of their opportunities .

Just brutal Berluti couldn't snatch a title during his time . Hats off to a generational player.

I do love the "mediocre" trolling and "down year" rationale. Totally clownish, clearly a comment by a non-player. I will now berate all with some more relevant stats about the senior class from Wesleyan. Went 26-10 (3-1 records versus 7 teams, 4-0 vs Hamilton and 1-3 vs Trinity). First consecutive Little 3 Titles since 1970 and first 3-peat since 1946-48 in addition to the school's first outright football title. And a shout out to BantChamp as well--how does it feel to lose 2 of the last 3 at The Poop? This class helped take the program up another level. I have to somewhat agree with Charlie that the "Big 3" are now Trinity, Wesleyan and Middlebury. Cards and Pants have supplanted Williams and Amherst in the hierarchy based on recent results. However, given the competitive balance in the NESCAC that has been discussed here, things could change quickly next year as there are no easy victories. Now that my son's playing career is over, the gloves are off....

Easy there fella. What a perfect moniker for you by the way with all your petty below ground chirping now. Cards were mediocre when I saw them in the beginning of the year. They clearly improved and kudos on a championship. I'm in the any one but Bantams camp.

My point was there were 3-4 teams from last year that would have beat this squad. I'll stick with my down year comment but it doesn't take away the title. Congrats! just act like you've been there before .

Quote from: Bucket on November 09, 2024, 07:37:43 PMCongrats to the Cardinals. After seeing them struggle mid-season—after the epic beatdown of my Panthers—I gave them no shot of winning a title.

Hats off to Wes.

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Agreed, saw them play twice on live feed with the brutal homer crew . Mediocre at best would be how I described them. Clearly a down year in league with no " great" squad  and they took advantage of their opportunities .

Just brutal Berluti couldn't snatch a title during his time . Hats off to a generational player.