Quote from: desertraider on October 19, 2019, 08:36:16 PM
I really don't think Caps morale really figured in the decision. I said it before - I think the game gets to a point (at 48-0) in the 2nd when Mount decides to practice what they needed work on. The missed some kicks the last couple weeks - so work the kicker(s). They kicked FGs of 22 (2), 23 (2), 25 (1) and 27 (1) yards. We all know that is actually 42 points Mount gave up. But they got more work with special teams (snaps, holds, kicks) that they needed. Scoring TDs - they didn't need more practice on that. They got A TON of kids on the field. I feel bad for CAP - I have been on that side of the score. It stings no matter what the other team does (FGs, TDs, run out of bounds). The only thing that makes it better is scoring - anything - which CAP couldn't do. 

This isnt meant to disrespect CAP (or OTT, Wilma......) but we all see the games. Mount doesn't just stop playing (and they shouldn't). They just work on other things. The post game coaches meeting has to be more than "we saw that we are better than them". Now its about the kicking game, transition to special teams on field, snap consistency. May as well learn a bit about your team.

It is what it is, but wouldn't they have gotten reps with snaps and holds on PATs?  Glad they worked on running out of bounds on a would be Pick six.

Went back and read the last few pages.  What's happening to Cap, the OAC in general, and other conferences isn't surprising, when you consider many of the factors y'all brought up.  So many D2 schools have added football.  That thins the talent pool.  Participation in high school football is decreasing. That thins the talent pool.  Costs of higher education, especially for a private school are sky rocketing. That thins the talent pool.

It would appear we are currently in the middle of seeing the "market" correct itself. A few tradition rich, forward thinking schools are reaping the benefit, much like the wealthy can stay the course during a stock market crash.  It appears JCU and MUC(I know it's UMU or MTU or something, but I'm an old school poster going back 20 years on "Post Patterns" and "Posting Up") are as strong as ever.

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Quote from: Craft_Beermeister on October 19, 2019, 03:51:20 PM
Mount Union up 63-0 on Capital and trying not to run up the score by intentionally running out of bounds at 5 yard line on a potential pick 6 with no Capital player within tackling distance.  Mount has also elected to kick field goals on 3rd down or less when they get too close to goal line.  The result of this is Mount Union kicker Cory Barnett just tied early in 4th quarter the NCAA Division III record with 6 field goals today.

While I like that Mt. Union didn't run up the score intentionally, I'm not sure this is actually any better for Capital's moral. Field goal being kicked on first down and pick 6s being ran OB has to be pretty dang demoralizing, I think more so than seeing 100 dropped. Put in the worst players you have dressed and run dives up the middle. If they can't stop that then 100 points seems like destiny.

My thoughts exactly.  But with the terrible team Cap has put out we don't get any say in how we get beat.

That being said, 69-0 woulda been cool.

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Quote from: e_lee on October 13, 2019, 04:02:10 PM
That being said, get into the NCAC, PAC or some other more appropriate conference. I'm okay with that if that's where the university wants.

Capital would likely be one of the worst (if not the worst) teams in those conferences as well.  I noticed you mentioned Capital trying to be "a Denison," but Denison would demolish Capital in football.  Denison beat Ohio Northern 42-13 to open the season, and I'm betting Ohio Northern beats Capital by 40+.

And as far as the PAC goes, I know I will get flamed for saying this, but if you take out Mount Union, is the OAC of today all that much different?  Unless JCU is having a "top 10" year (of which they've had a few recently, but surely not this year), I would put CWRU on the same level as them.  W&J and Westminster would probably be very competitive with OAC teams like BW and Heidelberg.  The rest of the OAC?  Mostly bottom feeders.  Otterbein, Musky, Wilmington, Capital aren't much different from Thiel, Bethany, St. Vincent, Geneva, and Waynesburg.  It says a lot about the conference when Marietta (who still isn't very good) is considered a "mid-tier" team, as well as an ONU team that got pounded by Denison.

This isn't the OAC from 20 years ago anymore.

Admittedly i haven't followed D3 football as much the last 10 years or so, i was just going with the schools i remember not being very good, having small rosters, et al.

Here's hoping Cap forms a conference with Hiram, Earlham, Wilmington, etc.

Hot take: it wouldn't surprise me to see Cap drop football within the decade. Looks like they did Saturday.

Quote from: formerd3db on October 13, 2019, 12:50:04 PM

Quote from: e_lee on October 13, 2019, 12:19:48 PM
As a Cap alum/former player under Jim Collins, yesterday is embarrassing.  Taking a look at stats, it seems JCU did their part as far as not passing.  But as mentioned earlier when on the road you can can only unload benches so much.

If Cap is going to try to be an Oberlin, Dennison, Amherst, Kenyon et al. they need to get in a conference with them.

e_lee:

Haven't seen you posting much recently, however, glad to see you back.

So, what is your assessment as to why the current dismal status of your alma mater's football program?  Multiple reasons?

Biggest thing to me is the university's identity.  When i played there(98-01), most of my teammates were from Ohio, and middle class public education kids.  We got a pretty good private school education.  Now while Ohio is still the primary base of student body it seems they are going after the same students as the aforementioned schools which are often from elite private high schools, in the Midwest and nationally.  And I get it, there were budget issues for years, probably still are.  Wealthier, higher academically achieving students are likely to need less aid, more likely to contribute to the school.

That being said, get into the NCAC, PAC or some other more appropriate conference. I'm okay with that if that's where the university wants.

As far as internal problems.  I think President Paul and the current AD are doing the right things, with the resources available. Hate to see her go.

President Bowman seemed interested in destroying athletics and Steve Bruning was a speech professor who they decided to make AD.  In over his head.  Screwed up hiring Candeto.  He changed
Personnel to fit his offense and got out as soon as he could, leaving Rogo with bad personnel. He's got a tough job ahead of him.

Plus it's my belief that a certain tenured women's coach worked actively against football.  This person in my opinion was jealous of Collins success.  But I think current admin won't let her get more power than she should have, which is over her once great program.

As a Cap alum/former player under Jim Collins, yesterday is embarrassing.  Taking a look at stats, it seems JCU did their part as far as not passing.  But as mentioned earlier when on the road you can can only unload benches so much.

If Cap is going to try to be an Oberlin, Dennison, Amherst, Kenyon et al. they need to get in a conference with them. 

Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 12, 2016, 12:11:47 PM
I'll be interested to see who Cap gets.  It's been a topic for years regarding the questions around Dr. Bowman and the University's support of athletics.  I've posted before on the baseball board that an example was that as recently as a few years ago the head baseball coach at Cap made less than the asst. baseball coach at Mount.  And Cap did not have any full-time assistant for baseball.  The conference is divided into the haves and have nots to a large degree. 

In football they at least have some positive things in the location and Bernlohr/the Capital Center.  Those are solid facilities.  But if football faces the same issues as the other sports it may not be the HC where it's an issue.  It may be not being able to hire the same quality of coordinators/assts as other OAC schools.  Plus throw in the fact that you have a roster built for the option offensively and you have quite a job in front of you if you're not an option coach.

I'm not sure there is anyone on that campus who I would trust to make that hire.  I am not sure football is important there anymore.  I get the impression they want to be like Kenyon, Oberlin, Dennison, etc.  Football and athletics in general seem to be an annoyance to the current campus culture. 

Hoping the newly selected President values successful athletics, but not holding my breath.

I was not aware of that. Good to see guys helping (qualified)guys from their alma mater.

Any of you case guys see who the OC at EKU is? Former Spartan Angelo Mirando has made his way back to NCAA D1 coaching after in my estimation, "falling on the sword" at Mississippi State.

The Chosen One is only about The Chosen One.

Very happy about the program being done with The Chosen One.

He lost me, and MANY football alums from my era(late 90s/early 2000s) when he refused to deviate from his spring practice plans to attend the dedication of a memorial on campus honoring a former Crusader football player from the late 90s/early 2000s who was KIA in Afghanistan. You don't think taking the team to an event of that magnitude would have been a great lesson for those guys? Let alone the only possible gesture from the head coach of the football team?   

After that I was done with the football program until The Chosen One was gone.

Quote from: formerd3db on December 30, 2012, 04:04:26 PM
Also, just as an FYI, in regards to the Cleveland Browns, some people may not know that the current GM Tom Heckert (who, from media reports i.e. sources? say will be fired after the final game today along with the HC) was formerly the head coach at Adrian College for several years in the 1980's before he left for Cleveland.

Tom Heckert was born in 1967.  Would have been 12 or 13 in 1980 and 22 or 23 in 1989. 

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Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 18, 2012, 12:05:30 PM
Craig Candeto is the new HC in Bexley.  Credit to Cap, they went outside the box on this hire.  I like it.  Although I'm not sure JK will like seeing a Midshipman in charge!

Cbus Dispatch

I will be very interested to see what offense Capital runs in week 1 next year.  Their opponent in Bexley is the Thomas More Saints.

That was my first thought as well, SF.  Wonder if we'll see the option?  I'm not sure what they run at the Citadel.

Been years since I posted, but the new hire at my alma mater brought me back out of the woodwork.

At The Citadel they run the triple option.  Not sure of the exact coaching lineage, but I think the offensive coordinator was with Paul Johnson at Georgia Southern, Navy and Georgia Tech.

So it would stand to reason that Paul Johnson's QB at Navy, and a guy who coached with Johnson at Georgia Tech, and then at The Citadel, which runs the same offense it would stand to reason that Candeto is bringing the triple option to the OAC.

Does Capital have the QBs and OL to run it?  Last Capital game I saw was a playoff game, so I don't know.

With so many teams moving to some variation of the spread I think it'd be cool if Cap ran the triple option.  And I'd have to think that it would be no picnic for their opponents to prepare for since you see it less and less these days.

Additionally, I read on the CCIW board some time ago something to the effect of Augustana leveraged that offense in recruiting by targeting guys who ran it in HS because there were so few teams running the option in college so they almost had a built in recruiting pool.  Well, if there was any truth to that there are even less teams running it now I'm sure (but also less at the HS level too).  With Wakefield going back to Perry maybe he'll bring back the wing-t and Candeto can befriend him.  Haha.

eh -- you see the triple option still.. just in a different form.  Mount ran a version of it.. so does RGIII.  Its still assignment football.  Thats my opinoin. 

How long has it been since the OAC has had a team running the old-fashioned triple option??

Teams are starting to call it the Spread Option.  When I see the spread option, I see the veer with the tight end split out to spread out the D some.  But that is my ignorant opinion.  I am waiting for someone to bring back the Monster Stack defense while running the option.   

There are alot of elements of the triple option in many of the spread running attacks that we see in HS, College and trickling into the NFL.  But a true triple option, such that I expect to see in Bexley, such that is run at Navy, Ga. Southern, Citadel, Ga Tech, etc. is a different beast than the occasional option run out of spread attacks.  What Georgia Tech does is vastly different from what Oregon, Clemson, etc do, although some of the elements of triple option are evident in both.

Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 18, 2012, 05:16:00 PM

Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 18, 2012, 04:39:50 PM

Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 18, 2012, 12:05:30 PM
Craig Candeto is the new HC in Bexley.  Credit to Cap, they went outside the box on this hire.  I like it.  Although I'm not sure JK will like seeing a Midshipman in charge!

Cbus Dispatch

I will be very interested to see what offense Capital runs in week 1 next year.  Their opponent in Bexley is the Thomas More Saints.

That was my first thought as well, SF.  Wonder if we'll see the option?  I'm not sure what they run at the Citadel.

Been years since I posted, but the new hire at my alma mater brought me back out of the woodwork.

At The Citadel they run the triple option.  Not sure of the exact coaching lineage, but I think the offensive coordinator was with Paul Johnson at Georgia Southern, Navy and Georgia Tech.

So it would stand to reason that Paul Johnson's QB at Navy, and a guy who coached with Johnson at Georgia Tech, and then at The Citadel, which runs the same offense it would stand to reason that Candeto is bringing the triple option to the OAC.

Does Capital have the QBs and OL to run it?  Last Capital game I saw was a playoff game, so I don't know.

Quote from: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on January 27, 2012, 06:21:39 PM
Tis the season, for High School players to "commit" to DIII Schools:

Jesuit's Ormsby commits to John Carroll

Actually commit is the correct word, as thats all a kid can do at the D3 level, give a verbal committment to attend.  When they start signing with Mount, Capital, ONU, JCU, BW, etc. its time to launch an NCAA investigation.