Quote from: Charlie on October 06, 2024, 03:28:35 PMFirst off it has been a long standing tradition that Trinity parents go on the field to listen to coaches closing comments and parents take a picture with players and friends. This has gone on since Devanney took the reigns at Trinity for all home and away games. So to think this was all new is shocking since Trinity has done this at Tufts since devanney started Coaching. Trinity has done this at all the NESCAC schools they play and allow oppoents to do so as well. So this has been a long standing tradition and have also been observed at Tufts in all prior years.

If Tufts has changed its rules then no one should be allowed on the field. This should also be communicated by schools and to the parents prior to the game would prevent this. From what occurred I take it this was not the case. I happen to catch the second half and ending there was no gate cutting or storming of the field. I observed Trinity parents who came out in droves for the game being polite and courteous.

I am stating facts. The reason I was saying who cares is that there was about 80 parents on the field after the game already this is why I said game is over and who cares. I think we are making a big deal about nothing. There is no love loss between both schools and their football programs so perhaps this maybe fueling this non issue.

On a game note Tufts played well in a hard fought game but Trinity ultimately made more plays.

Lastly, has anyone noticed the amount of special teams play this year and how they have changed tempo of the game more than past years. I am not talking about field goals but a great deal of blocked punts ,  bad snaps. I do not know of any Kick off or punt returns for TD in stat columns.

Well, one of you has your facts wrong.  Assuming you're both telling the truth, sounds like what the other poster described happened, just not in front of you.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do think it's amusing to blame a school for not abiding by another school's "long standing traditions."  (Maybe Amherst should have to shut down a street when Williams wins there )

That said, it's far from the worst behavior I've heard of (or witnessed) from various parents in recent years (though at least they're still very much in the minority).

Quote from: Charlie on October 06, 2024, 09:59:59 AMTrinity allows all its parents after every game to go on the field and listen to the HC comments and parents and family get a moment with the sons on the field for pictures. At the game all the parents were on the field and certain representatives from Tufts would not open certain gates for the parents to join their team on the field. I am sure parents would have obliged the security staff had none been allowed on the field. However when there are over 100 people on te field and you dont allow the other parents there I can see how this could have escalated. I think the representatives from Tufts over reacted and should have understood the situation. Who really cares. I think this is indicative of how some bad programs operate and other classy programs value parents and players.

But lets talk about the terrible conditions these NESCAC schools still mainatin for visiting teams. Two showers for 75 players cramped quarters. I mean this is ridiculous. All the tuition spent at these schools and they cant have better locker room conditions and showers for the players. A completely unsanitary environment for visiting teams. NESCAC should really look into this really gives the league a horrible image.

Yeah, Tufts should definitely change its rules to accommodate Trinity parents and conform to Trinity's rules...

Quote from: nescac1 on September 20, 2024, 06:19:16 PMWhat is going on at Tufts?  Utterly bizarre story:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/41346671/12-tufts-lacrosse-players-diagnosed-rare-muscle-injury

This was a problem when CrossFit was a big thing.  Hopefully they caught it relatively early.

Quote from: nescac1 on September 19, 2024, 10:00:05 AMI think that Nescacman knows after week one that Wesleyan should be ranked first and is strategically avoiding doing so until after they beat Tufts (which certainly does not warrant a number one ranking based on either last year's performance, this year's week one performance, or just how many key players they are down from last year) handily this week.

I think a ranking like 1. Wesleyan, 2. Trinity, 3. Williams, 4. Tufts, 5. Amherst, 6. Bowdoin, 7. Midd, 8. Colby, 9. Hamilton, 10. Bates is more reflective of where things likely stand right now.  Maybe a bit high on Williams and a bit low on Middlebury considering last year's records, but Midd faired very well in close games last season and Williams very poorly, which may have them a bit overrated/overlooked, respectively, coming into this season, as those things do tend to even out over time.  And not many teams who get flat demolished like Midd just did end up finishing in the top half of the league.   

One big reason for optimism about Wesleyan is like the other post-COVID league champions, they are simply loaded with seniors or grad students at virtually every key position, and most of those guys have been playing a lot of snaps for years at this point. Candido, Wilson, Eng, Abraham, Carbeau, Rowan, Donatio, Edwards, Boujoukos, nearly the entire O-line, and so on, those guys feel like they've around forever.  Similar to the Maimaron class at Williams or last year's Trinity team which was flat loaded with star grad students (in particular) and seniors. Just about the entire league is relying heavily on good senior classes in this last double-senior year, but Wesleyan seems to be, by a fair margin, the most reliant on stars in their last year of eligibility, which is historically a good recipe for success. One thing is for sure - next year will be the most unpredictable in NESCAC history, with so many teams losing heavy senior groups and a big turnover at the QB position (especially among the stars) for the league as a whole.   

was it 2021 when Middlebury came off a very strong year (albeit w/COVID in between) and high expectations, only to get crushed in their opener at Williams, leading to a very disappointing season?  Different teams now (and coaches?) but we'll see if that pattern repeats.

Quote from: Charlie on November 29, 2023, 03:47:05 PM
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While I think the jury is still out on this years class. Marvan was hurt all year , and Renzella had ankle for most part. Both players very injury prone. So large questions remain on this years class. I do think taking an over abundance of QB is detrimental to a recruiting class. ...

I don't know about Renzella, but Marvan was out all year due to an injury suffered before coming to Williams.  An injury doesn't make a guy "injury prone."

Are you aware of a track record of injuries for Marvan (and Renzella, for that matter) prior to the one that kept him out?

Quote from: NESCACFball24/7 on November 20, 2023, 10:55:32 AM

Quote from: Ephmen on November 20, 2023, 01:26:18 AM

Quote from: lumbercat on November 19, 2023, 10:12:56 AM

Yes

There may be tutorial help available to others but nothing like the program the have for Football. It's a great program.

I actually view that as a problem, if the football team requires assistance other teams don't.

I assume all students have access to a fair amount of assistance already: professors hold office hours, teaching assistants can work with students and run review sessions, writing workshops / quant assistance, etc.

If a particular team needs more, I think they're getting too far from the academic norm.

This is a basic level of support provided to athletes at almost every successful college athletic department across the country(yes the ivies included since everything this league does is based off of them). There is no reason that giving student athletes who have a much more hectic and demanding schedule than regular students should be looked down upon for taking advantage of extra help opportunities and the same goes for the programs that are supporting their student athletes and helping them succeed.

You apparently missed "if the football team requires assistance other teams don't."

Quote from: lumbercat on November 19, 2023, 10:12:56 AM

Yes

There may be tutorial help available to others but nothing like the program the have for Football. It's a great program.

I actually view that as a problem, if the football team requires assistance other teams don't.

I assume all students have access to a fair amount of assistance already: professors hold office hours, teaching assistants can work with students and run review sessions, writing workshops / quant assistance, etc.

If a particular team needs more, I think they're getting too far from the academic norm.

Quote from: lumbercat on November 13, 2023, 08:52:56 PM

Quote from: Trin9-0 on November 13, 2023, 06:30:13 PM
You can watch a few clips from the Trinity-Wesleyan game here, but what really caught my attention were the postgame quotes by Nescacman's all-time favorite Bantam, who also happens to be Trinity's all-time leader in:

Touchdowns
Yards
Completions
Completion %
Total offense

Despite the frequent criticism, Fetter currently leads the league in all but one of those categories as well. I tend to agree with SpringSt's notion that he has been underappreciated. Most of those Trinity passing records were held by Joe Shield '85 (who was drafted by the Packers and spent 2 seasons in the NFL)... his last season was 39 years ago! Fetter is far from the only Trinity QB to play with a talented roster, but his numbers stack up with the best NESCAC QBs ever.

Middlebury's Donald McKillop, the league's all-time leader in passing yards, averaged 291 yards and 2.06 TDs per game, He also threw 44 interceptions. The Panthers record in the seasons he played was 21-11.
Fetter, with one game left, has averaged just 18 fewer yards per game (273) but nearly a full TD more per game (2.81) while throwing just 14 picks. His career record as a starter is 24-2.

You don't have to like Fetter, and I'm guessing his latest comments won't endear him to any of our Wesleyan faithful, but his play has more than earned some respect.


I honestly don't have the energy for another admissions debate. However, I do want to add that I too strongly disagree with G&P's claim that Trinity wins because they "work harder". If only he had stopped at this conclusion which I feel is much closer to the truth of the matter:

Quote from: GroundandPound on November 13, 2023, 12:14:42 PMIn my opinion, great coaching, great recruiting, great player development, and a great football tradition play a much more substantial and significant role in Trinity's consistent success.

Good post 9-0

Agree- Let's get off the admissions thing. I only wish every NESCAC team would adopt the Bants admissions approach and provide Tutors for their Football players like Trinity does. I respect their commitment to the Football players.

No question Fetter has been a great QB- personally I'll take Sonny Puzzo in a close game but that's just my personal opinion. A lot tougher than Fetter who seems to project a bit of a pampered image. Puzzowould run a cornerback over and jog back to the huddle with no fanfare.

As far as G&Ps obsession with a dedicated Football weight room and Trinity guys being "jacked". Lets move on from that too.

Is that true - that Trinity provides tutors for the football team?  Do they do that with other teams?

Quote from: SpringSt7 on November 06, 2023, 07:35:37 PM

Quote from: GroundandPound on November 06, 2023, 11:04:33 AM
Are any NESCAC football fans, besides Trinity fans, not rooting for Wesleyan this coming Saturday?
I suspect we are all Wesleyan fans this Saturday, except those on this board who are Trinity fans.

Hope Trinity wins by 80

Might get your wish...

Quote from: Charlie on November 05, 2023, 09:05:00 PM


I think the Ephs have great deal of talent needs and OL next year going to be a big problem. RB position seems like Medical unit. Frishetti always hurt and Marvan has been injured throughout his career. So This will be a need in recruiting as well. Williams cannot afford anymore busts in recruiting they have found there QB and now need to work on skilled positions and Defensive and Offensive line help.

Marvan's "career" has been this year.  Hopefully this is a onetime thing and he contributes next season.

Ephs have had a lot of injuries this year - lots of guys in sweats last weekend. Especially hurts when you have a smaller roster.  Sounds like that will become less of a competitive disadvantage in coming seasons.

One of those was a starting OL, so his return should provide a boost next year.

Quote from: lumbercat on August 15, 2023, 05:10:02 PM
With Chris Rorke as new QB coach the QB room at Williams is in very good hands. Don't know how they snagged him after Scarpa left on what seemed to be short notice.
Scarpa a fine coach but some might say the Ephs got an upgrade in Rorke.

Is Rorke related to Sean Rorke, a Williams RB in the early 90s?  If so, that connection might have led to it.

Quote from: lumbercat on June 13, 2023, 10:06:29 PM
That was all Covid driven Charlie- Currently there is momentum to make permanent upgrades. There is an indication of  administrative support to bring Football to the same competitive level of post season participation which is consistent with all of the other sports at NESCAC schools.

It's a NESAC Football equity play and it seems to have legs.

Spring practices also would have required expanding the training staff, which schools may not have viewed as a good investment just to get in 2 weeks of practice in the offseason. 

Quote from: Scoops on May 20, 2023, 06:30:10 PM
I think there's something to be said about sustaining success. If you can only have a competitive team every 4 years, then I think that says something about a team's ability to recruit and develop talent. If I were a Williams alum, I'm not happy with a team that has to rely on a senior class, and then drops back into obscurity every 2 to 3 years. I think this year isn't conclusive, but it's very indicative of Raymond's ability to actually sustain success.

Quote from: Ephmen on May 20, 2023, 02:39:07 PM

Quote from: Scoops on May 15, 2023, 06:41:03 PM

If building up to a 9-0 season doesn't buy a coach a reprieve, not sure what does.  This is NESCAC, not the SEC.

I agree re sustaining success, and I'd agree with your scenario -- but I don't think it describes Raymond's tenure.  I think he went 0-9, 6-3, 7-2, 9-0?  Replace the 0-9 with last year's 3-6 and I'm fine with that cycle -- especially if it includes wins over Amherst most years.

Quote from: The Mole on May 19, 2023, 12:41:40 PM
Williams vs Union
Springfield/WNE vs Amherst/Trinity
Middlebury vs Norwich
Morrisville/Utica vs Hamilton
Wesleyan vs CGA/Salve Regina
Tufts vs MIT
Colby/Bates/Bowdoin vs UNE/Husson/ME Maritime

Not as close as RPI or Union, but I could see Williams matchups with F&M, where Blumenauer went, or Salve Regina, which is coached by a former Williams football player.

Quote from: Scoops on May 15, 2023, 06:41:03 PM
I wasn't quoting you in saying that it was a "great feat". Simply acknowledging that you saying his 9-0 year buys him some kind of reprieve is questionable at best. He did inherit a bad team, which is usually the case in a coaching change. And he did well in putting together a core group and riding them to a title. Him going 3-6 this year with a group that was entirely recruited by him, and that was part of that 9-0 culture, is just as telling as the Ephs perfect season in my opinion. Hence my point in saying that this year will really prove whether it was Raymond's coaching or Maimaron and co. talent that deserves the credit for their reemergence of the program.

Quote from: Ephmen on May 14, 2023, 01:27:27 PM

Quote from: Johnny Eph on May 13, 2023, 08:54:42 PM
But just to be clear the former QB is 5'7. Thanks Mole for a legit answer, as for Ephman I am not bitter I just think Raymond is overrated. To go 3-6 at Williams is almost more difficult than to go 9-0....

0-8 in his first year, with a team largely inherited from his predecessor, who had three consecutive 2-6 years before that.  So not that difficult, when there's a bad coach in charge.

If building up to a 9-0 season doesn't buy a coach a reprieve, not sure what does.  This is NESCAC, not the SEC.

Will this year be conclusive, either way?  I don't think so, though of course it will be another data point, just like the next few years will be.

His players mostly stay with the program, many get great jobs after graduation, one assistant has gone on to a head coaching job, he's liked in the community and he's loved by his players.  Clearly, 3-6 every year will eventually outweigh the rest.  But if he keeps doing roughly what he's done so far -- build up to a 9-0 season every 4 years -- he'll be around as long he wants.