I would say top left.  I think the 11 time national champs get some bonus points the NPI does not calculate.  Plus, as other posters have indicated, the NPI does not include an recency bias and it is clear that Messiah is playing way above #107.  They outplayed undefeated NPI #16 on their own field and then defeated NPI #37 in round two.

I certainly have a bias, but after watching Messiah against Hobart, they are not playing like an NPI #107 kind of team.

Camel_Supporter, welcome to the team and the conversation.  I suspect you and I were on the same sideline on Sunday and observed the same level of play.  And yes, Devlin was awesome back in the Kenny era.  Loved watching that young man play, especially when he knocked in the winning penalty in the NESCAC quarterfinal against Williams (after a super late equalizer in regulation from someone else) on Harkness field.  One of my best Conn memories, right there.

Fingers crossed you can get down here for the action on Saturday or Sunday.

Just catching up on the posts from the last two days - made the trip to Medford for yesterday's semis (saw the second half of the first game and the entirety of the second) and today's finals.  Four very good teams.

All trash talk and chest beating aside, really good weekend of soccer.  Would not be surprised if any of those four made a deep run in the NCAA's.

I will be honest in wondering where all the vitriol for Conn being in the NESCAC is coming from.  Looking at the spectrum of D3 conferences, each and every one has a fairly wide spread when it comes to ranking/selectivity, etc.  My read (as someone who has worked as an admin AND coached in multiple higher level D3 conferences), the NESCAC may have the narrowest of range when it comes to US News Rankings (Williams is I think ranked #1, Conn is the lowest at 50).  Looking across the conference, the one that does not fit in terms of institutional profile is Tufts (Tufts is actually a Research 1 institution) - this is similar to Hopkins being in the Centennial.  Both probably profile more like UAA schools, but institutions have the right to apply for and compete in their preferred athletic conference.

As for Coach Dezotell, he comes across as a great guy (I have met him and am happy for his success).  But I am not sure that Justin Serpone or any of the other NESCAC coaches are staying up late at night trying to get inside his head.  As someone who was in Vegas last year with Midd, Amherst, and our Camels, there is a ton of coaching talent across the top levels of D3.

As for our Camels today - outshot the Jumbos 15-6 (including 12-2 in the second half when we had the wind at our back - literally).  Just couldn't find the right combo to put it in the net.  On top next week with some lessons learned.  And yes, #7 was a boss today in the middle of the field.

I have also noticed the abnormal number of penalties awarded to Tufts this year.  Very curious if that will sustain as we move deeper into the playoffs and (I suspect) officials may be less inclined to put their finger on the scale/outcome of a game with a judgment call penalty, especially in the second half of a game.  Very curious to see how games are officiated and how it could impact the Jumbos this weekend and moving forward.

First/second round will be either Friday/Saturday or Saturday/Sunday (depending on whether any schools have a religious prohibition against competition on Sunday), November 14-16, sites to be determined with the selection process.

Tufts could host both men and women, in theory.  They are doing so this weekend for NESCAC Semis and Finals.  Turf and lights gives them options and flexibility.

I would say as the biggest homer out there (yes, fan of both the NESCAC and the Camels) and someone who has been involved in NCAA D3 athletics as long as many people have been alive, I do have a mild issue with a league getting 7-8 bids to the NCAA tourney.  I appreciate the analytics that are involved now (removes some of the politics and artificial barriers that existed), but 7-8 teams from any particular conference feels a bit like overkill.  It also reduces opportunity for student-athletes and institutions who come from less advantaged leagues.

So, I see it both ways.  All 8 NESCAC teams that made the NCAA's last year made it to the round of 32.  However, I still feel a tad anxious about the lack of opportunity that presents to other institutions.

While 73% of the conference gets into the playoffs, this is a conference that had its 6th place finisher win the conference tournament and make the national final.  Beat F&M, Denison, Kenyon, and W&L in the process. 

The rowed ruts on the field were palpable when you walked on it.  The ball on the ground was definitely not the way to go.

Congrats to your son finishing what really looks to be a memorable career - three final fours in four years is amazing, especially with a coaching transition in the midst of it. 

Checking in after my one week mandated absence from the board due to serious depression.  That was a tough loss to take for the Camels.  Just a handful of thoughts.

1.  The field was really not good.  All the folks who commented on it via the livestreaming were accurate.  I walked it a bit after the game and it was about as bad as you could imagine.

2.  I need a second opinion.  I thought Amherst was lucky to finish the game with 11 players.  It seemed to me that #14 (McCarthy), who received a yellow with his first hard challenge of the day, had two fouls after that which were as cynical/physical as the first one.  Yet, no other sanction other than a common foul was given.  That was my opinion as I watched it live.  Uncertain if others saw it the same way - the partisan/homer glasses were on.

3. EnmoreCat.  I have said this before, but The Kitten is a heck of a player.  And, I would add after watching this one up close and paying attention, he is a good sportsman.  I saw several moments of really good sportsmanship out of him.  Class kid.  If we were going to lose, I appreciate the fact that it was The Kitten who knocked in the winning penalty.

That is all.  Back to my group therapy session with us sad Camels.

Checking in from Vegas here.  Managed to land and get to the stadium in plenty of time to catch both games.

The field - definitely not the best.  I did not think it was awful, but it was not conducive to great passing.  A bit choppy and uneven.

I missed EnmoreKitten's well executed goal.  You see, I had read the amazing review of the bathrooms from EnmoreCat and decided I need to take a personal tour myself and while I was perusing the double toilet stall men's room, Amherst took the lead.  Midd equalized a few minutes later on a really well taken side volley.

I will have difficult time putting into words the emotions surrounding the penalty.  I think most officials do not want to be part of (or THE) story and in this case, the referee failed.  I also believe that context is key.  A 1-1 game in the second half of the national semifinal, imo, should not be decided by a questionable VAR reviewed penalty decision.  I know people will say "a foul is a foul", but we all know that the standard for a foul in the box is WAY different than one for a foul in midfield and in this case, unless the Amherst player loses a leg, or an obvious handball (think Martin Odegaard, which wasn't actually called a penalty in that Liverpool-Arsenal game).  But to have a game essentially decided on an iffy call like that is awfully disappointing. 

Hats off to Nuhu who executed it, but the end result has left a poor feeling.  I feel Midd and Amherst should have allowed their play on the field for the last 25 min or so (and maybe OT) be the deciding factor in that contest.  Not a ref spending 5 minutes at a small video monitor.  It wasn't called on the field.  The ref had good proximity to the play.  Just doesn't sit well with this D3 athletics individual.

Game two.  W&L was awesome.  Struggled a bit early, but after Rye Jaran picked up a knock mid first half and had to come off, the Generals really controlled the midfield.  Really strong game plan and execution by the Generals players and staff.

I do feel the ref allowed some players looking for contact to secure some fouls and free kicks, but beyond that, it did not play a significant role in the outcome.  Horvath-Diano's free kick and Silverster's incredible game were the difference.  I feel for the W&L players, coaches, parents, and families b/c I am sure they look at that game and feel they deserved a different result.

I also spent all night looking for a tall guy saying "mate" getting worked over by the UNLV campus police with a taser, but failed in my mission to provide video evidence for the group of readers here.

Headed to Vegas tomorrow, hoping to be there to get to game one.  And while I would love to jump in on PN's rankings extravaganza, I am way too partisan to actually be taken seriously as I try to rate fairly and honestly.  However, the two questions that have been bouncing around in my head for the last ten days ...

1.  Can Midd get over the post-season mental whammy with Amherst.  Don't get me wrong, both are phenomenal teams (I have seen both live and wow, impressive), but Amherst has gotten the best of the panthers in the postseason of late.  Can Midd overcome that recency bias?

2.  Is it W&L's year?  Three final fours in four years (same as Amherst, actually, right?), but no titles.  Are they the team of destiny this year that will overcome any and all teams placed in their path?

Curious to find out.  And, try to catch EnmoreCat getting tasered on video so I can share it with the entire soccer board.  ;-)

Well, as a point of evidence, W&L just handled Williams, who finished 4th in the NESCAC this year.  They took the '21 Conn team (regular season champs and losers of the NESCAC final to Tufts) to OT in the final four in Greensboro.

Zero doubt that W&L would be a consistent top half NESCAC team and when the right mix/right luck came along, NESCAC semis and finals would be in Lexington.

PN - couple of things.  You did NOT imagine one last chance for the Owls.  I think it was right at the end of OT and it was a true chance.  Hit on the ground right at Silvester.  Not sure why it was not recorded in the stats, but that had this observer's heart in his throat.

I completely agree with comments on trash talking.  I think it is unnecessary and takes away from the game.  I normally watch games from a bit of a distance (20+ yards) so I can see the full field.  UMW has their field set up so the fence along the sideline with the stands is no more than five yards from the touch line (making long throws from that side of the field a challenge with almost no run up space).  Standing that close to the pitch, one can really observe the level of talk/commentary between the players.  It's a fair amount.

I concur, the Owls were very, very good on Saturday.  Really controlled the midfield for much of the game.  I don't know if it was fatigue or a bit of being deflated, but the last 10 of regulation and almost all of the 20 min of OT were controlled by the Camels.  Prior to that, the Owls had the better of it. 

Lastly, you are correct about the Camels prior to the NESCAC tournament.  I was in attendance when Wesleyan prevailed 3-1.  Wes was much better that day.  So, anything can happen coming up in Vegas.

PN, phenomenal observation from afar.  Jaran has been such a key for the Camels for the last four years.  Was a starter on the 21 national championship team.  Missed the latter half of both the 22 and 23 seasons with injuries.  But his steadiness on the ball and set piece delivery has always been spot on.  I just watched the replay of the Conn - Kenyon game and his goal was a set piece delivered at just the right height, pace, and angle to really trouble the keeper.

Also, I tried to comment on this on Sunday, but if you watch the penalties, the video is clear that the trash talk was started by the Kenyon PK keeper.  I was there and heard this from some of the actual participants, but I wanted to confirm it with the video.  The Kenyon keeper clearly says something to Conn's first kicker.  The ref delays the start of penalties to point and warn the keeper.  After converting, the Conn penalty taker looks to have said something back to him.  After the second round, you can't see if the Conn player came off the bench to taunt, the video is too focused on the goal to pick that up.

Took in the pair of games in Fredericksburg yesterday.  Both were worth the time and effort.

I really feel for the kids at UMW, who played a heck of a game, but just could not find the back of the net.  Controlled the midfield for much of the contest and forced the Denison keeper into at least one very good save.  The winning goal came on a set piece from the left wing - the UMW defender committed an unnecessary foul 40 yards from the goal.  Keeper came off his line for a punch, did not get enough of it and a flicked header at the back post won it.  Tough for those seniors at UMW to lose like that.

Game two.  PN, your Owls played well.  As I saw it, the stats do not tell the story of the game (they show that the Camels outshot the Owls 21-8).  I saw it as a much closer affair.  The Owls first was a deflection off a Conn defender that wrong footed Silvester and dribbled into the net.  Conn equalized on a nice sequence up the left wing.

In the end, the two most important goals of the day (the Denison winner and Conn equalizer) came from virtually the same place on the left wing, both off set pieces.  On the Conn equalizer, an in-swinger from Jaran was attacked at about the penalty spot by a Conn attacker, who did not make contact with the ball (just over his head).  My suspicion is the Kenyon keeper misread that the Conn player was going to get it and therefore, was wrong footed as it found the net at the back post.

No need to comment on the penalties.  They were what they were.  I feel for the Kenyon kids b/c they played a heck of a game and for multiple segments of the game, they were superior.