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Quote from: The Third Division on February 14, 2026, 01:15:30 PMUMHB's two year scheduling agreement with Keystone screams desperation. It is not a good look for the program.

Go ahead and list the teams who are interested in scheduling a series with us. Then we can discuss which ones would be better options.

One would think the Division 3 philosophy is grounded in conference and regional competition rather than national and most schools are interested in scheduling as such.

Oh wait: It is

I know you all filter everything through the lens of "What's best for the football team?" which means you think everyone's just too scared to play you, but the sooner you realize that most D3 institutions have bigger concerns than the football team picking up an elite OOC game, the easier it'll be for you.

Thanks, you just proved my point.

We have limited options in our region to schedule, and few schools from outside our region want to play us, so we're forced to schedule those who do. Then you trolls come around offering unsolicited critiques of our scheduling without offering any ideas for what a program in our position should do differently.

What about the possibility that it's not that they don't want to play you, but rather that they are unwilling to take on the extra cost of a trip to Texas?

UMHB has traveled to Wisconsin, Tennessee, north Carolina and other states recently for non conference games. Hardin simmons has gone to Wisconsin, massachuetes, and California.

They've shown they will come to you if you can't afford to travel. Most of the time teams like UMHB and HSU help the away team with some travel cost to come to Texas too.

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Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2025, 02:12:14 PMI doubt that Centenary would jump. Centenary is competitive in most of the other sports, especially baseball.

Louisiana (College) Christian University is having too much success and with an easier travel budget in the Red River AC.

Sul Ross State won't come back.

IMHO, the only chance the ASC might have is for Wayland Baptist and Nelson, the former SWAGU, to switch. You would make HPU and Wayland travel partners and Nelson is nicely located in Waxahachie (southern DFW area for non-Texans, and phonetically Wahk'-sah-HATCH-ee).

Ah, Waxahachie. To me, it's the home of Meat Church BBQ Supply. A short trip up I35 is in my near future.

Just don't see very many positives to NAIA schools in Texas moving to D3. They seem somewhat stable with current travel and scholarship costs, so it doesn't appear they desperately need the cost saving. Essentially moving from NAIA to D3, and not being able to offer scholarships, is giving up their only recruiting tool to get talented players. Most already lose to D3 schools in non conference games. How bad would those games/rosters look in the ASC with no scholarships to entice recruits.

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Quote from: Cowboy2 on December 08, 2025, 11:09:09 PMNot sure why HSUs back up RB is hitting the portal. Noah graduates and has the keys to be the man and leaves. Head scratcher 

I saw that and thought the same thing. A guy like Henry is exactly where he should've been and should have stayed. Not trying to be ugly but his ceiling was pretty much right where he was. A rotational back at HSU or starter if he put in the time and work. He did all the work and would have likely been the guy there and now portals after a decent backup season...

Lots of bad decisions being made in this portal era...

He is certainly 1000yd rusher at HSU as the full time runner. IMO could end up a better overall back than Garcia. He had 600 yards as the backup two years in a row. Has to be incredibly disappointing and frustrating for HSU to be losing him. Unlikey, but players can withdraw from the portal and stay.

Quote from: Cowboy2 on December 08, 2025, 11:09:09 PMNot sure why HSUs back up RB is hitting the portal. Noah graduates and has the keys to be the man and leaves. Head scratcher 

Maybe he's tired of HSU's ceiling being a first round exit.

Saw something similar last time HSU lost to Trinity in playoffs, and then Trinty went on to get smacked by north central. Several key players, most seniors, hit the portal to spend their last year of eligibility on .500 or worse D2 teams. Maybe watching the team that beat you go on to lose next round has them thinking its futile.

seems like whether HSU beat Trinity or not, there is a huge gap between the region 3 teams and the typical semi final teams. UMHB is only team in the south/southeast thats been able to make deep runs.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 30, 2025, 03:03:21 PMLouisiana Christian used to be known as Louisiana College and competed as a member of the ASC until 2021 when they transitioned to NAIA.  Obviously they had their reasons - probably being able to sponsor fewer sports was one of them as they dropped XC, men's golf, women's tennis, and track. 

And if I'm another school the ASC is pitching, I'm asking for at least the same $4-4.5M the rumor mill (and Corey Hogue) says McMurry and Schreiner allegedly got.  Not sure the Baptist 4 or the donors who coughed up the original $8M have that much to contribute to the cause.

My memory is that LC had some accreditation issues, and maybe that factored into moving from D3 to NAIA?

as to why a team like wayland baptist and other NAIAs that are not already competitive in their existing conference don't want to move to D3. consider the following.

in some parts of the world NAIA is considered better that D3. Some NAIA schools, particularly in the midwest, have pretty good budgets and view themselves closer to D2 or FCS talent wise. so for some NAIA schools moving to D3 is viewed as a downgrade.

Now for Texas based NAIAs that is not really the case. however, when the ability to offer scholarships is the only edge you have over the "purple schools" and other ASC teams that aleady beat you, why would you give up that edge just to join their conference and keep getting beaten. without the ability to offer scholarships, teams like WBU, nelson, texas college, TW, langston would have an even tougher time getting recruits and fielding a team.

Quote from: The Third Division on March 21, 2025, 06:36:33 PMWhat if the ASC gets a championship game to limit the non-conference schedule?

I like the idea of single round robin and then top 2 in standings play again for championship, kinda like what MIAC does.

only works once they get back to 6 teams, and that still leaves 4 non conference games. a 6 team conference without a champ game leaves teams needing FIVE non conference games, which is worse than double round robin schedule. having a double round robin and championship game would be insane.

hope is that with McM leaving their conference, TLU and AC have to come back to ASC, 8-9 teams is a good number of conference teams. imo less than 2 non conference games is bad, more than 3 is too hard to find.

https://hsuathletics.com/news/2025/3/5/cowboys-announce-2025-football-schedule.aspx

HSU dropped next years schedule. Flying to California to face chapman in the opener. Props for booking another cross country flight, but would love to see other playoff caliber teams instead of Nelson and LCU, but gotta do what you gotta do to get 10 games.

Curious what other ASC teams come up with for non conference games, would prefer to avoid the prep school scrimmages like last year, but again, can only play who agrees to schedule you.

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Quote from: Crubill on November 17, 2024, 08:22:30 AMIf UMHB truly reached out to everyone to schedule a game and only 1 team accepted, nobody has room to complain. Any bubble team that thinks they have a better team than UMHB was given an invite to prove it on the field.

If we are lying about that and in any intentionally way ended up with UWW, NAIA Bethel and 2 uncountable games then Larry Harmon and Randy Mann were smoking the real good stuff that day haha

This narrative that we didn't play enough games is laughable to me, like our schedule was so much better when instead of beating HPU twice we played HPU and insert former ASC member. Nothing we have done this year or last has shown that we have fallen so far that we would have lost multiple times in the old ASC. In fact this year in the old ASC we probably would have been 9-1 and easily in the playoffs. 

Just for kicks and grins comparison, Bethel also made it in by losing twice to a top team in St. John's, beating 5 total creampuffs, and beating 3 mediocre teams. UMHB arguably has three equivalent or better wins (UWW and ETBU X 2) than Bethel's best win vs Concordia Moorhead. UMHB belongs in the playoffs if teams like Bethel belong.

Yes, Bethel is the best comparison to UMHB's current situation. The only way to poke hole in UMHB playoff worthiness is to examine if their wins were good enough, not their losses. 

Quote from: Crubacker on October 30, 2024, 12:05:46 PMUMHB still has a chance to win the automatic bid as well, the tiebreaker rules are listed DCTF.  Max points, kinda like positive points in Texas High School football for district games is 21 for ASC games.  HSU has a 2 point edge there as they beat ETBU by 16 and UMHB won by 14.  So, UMHB has to beat ETBU by more than they did last time and beat HSU by at least 21 points in order to have a chance to win the automatic bid......and of course win out.

just to confirm, is aggregate score across all conference games, or just between the 2 teams that are tied?

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Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2024, 02:45:35 PMLogan Hanson tweeted today that if TLU wins out they have a 99.1% chance of being selected.

TLU playoff berth most likely has them traveling to the ASC champs right? Would renew old matchups and give TLU a chance to make a huge statement.

An unbeaten ASC champ probably gets a first-round bye. Not sure where TLU would seed out.

Forgot about first round byes this year. Assuming it is HSU thats one way to get past round 1.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2024, 02:45:35 PMLogan Hanson tweeted today that if TLU wins out they have a 99.1% chance of being selected.

TLU playoff berth most likely has them traveling to the ASC champs right? Would renew old matchups and give TLU a chance to make a huge statement.

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QuoteCan't agree with this more. I mean, a 1A school (six-man football) with 100 students had a kid being recruited by numerous FBS schools last season (Grayson Rigdon). Texas HS Football has so much talent and HS programs are incredibly important in those small communities. Not sure how it works in other states, but in Texas, there are alway D1 caliber players at the 2A and 3A levels.

I have 2 grandsons who played football in other states.

One in Colorado was 6'2" and ran a sub 12 100Meters. He was tall and lanky but had wrestled in lower grades and always been a blocker in PeeWee leagues. In a high school of 1300 students, he was captain of the JV team as a junior and scored 54 points many on crossing patterns behind the LB's and then outran the DB's. The handwriting was on the wall and he did not return for his senior season. Most of his HS coaches were part-time. I believe he would have had a better experience in Texas. They did not know how to use him.

The other played in 4A in Alabama. The coaching was a little better, but not as good as I remember when I played or what I have seen contemporaneously in Texas. He was a running back with 11.3 sec speed in the 100M. He suffered injuries in 3 of his 4 seasons on the varsity in High School.

The UIL (and TMEA) are an incredibly valuable organizations for interscholastic activities.

(As for those HS bands, those high school bands were ...  well. let's say our Texas high school bands are outstanding. IMHO, when the athletic coaches and the band director are on the same page, they have control of the high school, and great things usually happen.)

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Having good coaches who know how to use a player correctly and develop them is crucial. After that, marketing is key. The smaller level school you play the harder it is to get your name out. If a small school player isn't a multiyear starter for a team that makes deep playoff runs they probably wont get recruited or noticed.

Several small school athletes have to reach out to schools and beg for a chance vs the schools finding them.

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Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2024, 09:32:07 PMPretty quiet week in the SAA so good time to note that incoming Trinity QB Welker Horn was named the Private School recipient of the Built Ford Tough TXHSFB Player of the Week award after going 20 of 29 passing for 378 yards and five touchdowns in a 36-34 win over Wellington, their first loss, last Friday.  Wellington was ranked 8th in Texas' UIL 2A Division II prior to the loss. 

Welker also carried the ball 21 times for 74 yards.

Wellington HS reports a student body of 162.5 students to the UIL. That gives you an idea of the size of the competition in Classification 2A Division II. 20 of 29 accuracy is pretty good, tho'.

I played in class 2a, it was 1A back then before 6A existed and 6 man was a different classification system, but several district opponents became my teammates at an ASC school with others going to midwestern st, tarleton, West texas A&M, and a couple went D1.

Played against LJ Collier (TCU-1st rd pick by seahawks) and James Washington (Ok st -drafted Rd 2 by steelers)

There is some talent in the smaller classifications in Texas.