MSJ was more lucky than good but a win is a win in the first game I've been to in a couple years. BW corner bobbled what should have been a sure fire INT on MSJ's final drive that landed in Beachem's hands for a huge gain to inside BW's 5yd line setting up the go ahead score. That's the first time MSJ has beaten a Jim Hilvert coached team since 2008 or 2009.

Been a long time. Hope everyone is well. Anyone know whether Rose returns a lot of their core players or are they using a bunch of newer players? I would have never thought 10+ years ago they would be as good of a program as they've become.

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Rose-Hulman is putting in turf for this season. That combined with Earlham not playing I believe leaves Manchester as the last grass field in the conference and one of the very few in the region.

So when is (if you or anyone know if have heard anything possibly about this) Manchester going to cave and put in turf to keep up with it's competitors? IMO, they don't need to completely renovate the stadium to do so and that should lower the cost of putting just the turf on.

Their entire football set-up not good.  Most HS fields and stands are nicer.

Nonetheless, if $ is the determining factor (and it almost always is), at least putting in the turf would be a positive move.  For sure, there are some great high school stadiums that some small colleges would love to have, yet the financial situation is what prevents the latter from attaining even that level.   It also depends on the specific college in the sense that we know there are some who will never attain that type of stadium simply due to the football following at those schools just isn't what it is at other schools. Yet in those situations, some schools, who have stadium stands that are "high school style," if I may use that description, they have made rather nice and decent stadiums by adding turf and some nice amenities such as brick entrance and/or walls, iron fencing, brick concessions stands designed to coincide with the entrance, etc. which make a nice upgrade.  These types of schools with such seating and stadiums take into consideration the usual numbers which attend there games.

All the above, is better than doing nothing and I think we would all agree that some of those schools have do it that way to "keep up with the Jones" at least partially, for the recruiting, even at this DIII level.  I could name several small colleges that have done the above, although I will leave it at that.  IMO, I think that at least putting in the turf would be a good initial Phase I for Manchester and, as I mentioned, would be reasonable costs for just doing the turf. Manchester, although a smaller campus, has a nice atmosphere, with some neat historic portions.  Just my thoughts.

Manchester's stadium setting is one of my favorite. Sitting along the creek and woods is a beautiful backdrop in the fall. The entire stadium, including field, is an eye sore. I think redoing the stands/bleachers/pressbox would be a better first option for recruiting for any sport that uses the facility. As far as costs, I've been told installing turf is actually cheaper over the long term because you don't have the constant maintenance and upkeep costs.

What's up everyone. Hope things are well with all of you. Best of luck to everyone these first couple weeks representing the conference. MSJ seems to have things under control at this point.

Heard from a very reliable source at a football camp over the weekend that both PJ Volker and Jim Hilvert reached out to MSJ about the HC vacancy. Both were told by MSJ that they were not interested in hiring someone now and they were going to stick with Hopp as the interim coach for this season.

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, Coach Hilvert and his recruiting GCL, GMC pipeline are going to be all gone here soon, you sure they will be leaps and bounds higher for very much longer?

I'm not with Adam in that I don't think Huster would be interested.  He has already survived a coaching change at Davenport.  MSJ was his only D3 experience, right?  What's his draw?  To me, he fooled RH and everyone else up there.  His defenses were awful.  Anyways, I don't feel like MSJ's Head Coach makes more than a D1 LB Coach, which would make landing him a coup.  I don't know where they go from here.  If I were an alum there, I'd be hoping they go outside and find a young upcoming guy (a Dean Paul type).  Its got to be that...or Hopperton. 

Those are my thoughts.  Happy we are talking about something.

He wants to be a head coach though. That's the only reason he came to MSJ from UC. He was told that he would take over in a couple years because Hubie wasn't planning on staying long (which I believe was the same thing Pross and Vince were told). Per his dad, he left MSJ because he felt Davenport was a better option for landing a head coaching position than MSJ. As far as defenses, they weren't his. His first year Ron Coradini was DC, his second year he had the DC label, and may have made the calls, but he wasn't the one in charge of those calls. The following year he took over as Running Backs coach and Rick Thompson (former HC at Boone County) was DC.

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Water cooler Rumor mill gossip is Coach Huber took an extended vacation without telling anyone prior to this "resignation". Saintsfan, Coach Hilvert and his recruiting GCL, GMC pipeline are going to be all gone here soon, you sure they will be leaps and bounds higher for very much longer?  I am pretty sure when MSJ let Hilvert walk across the bridge they thought the same thing, then they lost 75-6 and that bridge bowl was buried six feet under.  The alumni that I have talked to, that know the situation in which Coach Huster put MSJ into will not allow that hire happen.  Also Mr. Sayer said the smartest thing he has ever said on this board.  Not the part where they should go buy Coach Hilvert, but the part where MSJ doesn't care to win.  That location, facilities, and education should help it become a winner.  However besides the Mens B-Bal, V-Ball,l & Golf teams, this entire athletic program has under performed for about 10 years now.  When will they make a change. SO top choices, I think everyone and their brother that played for him would want Hilvert to come back, but lets face it, BW gives him a real chance to win.  Coach Prosser will never leave OHHS, This resignation happened to late to try and get Coach Volker or Coach Minter to actually take a look..... I think it's time to go outside the MSJ circle of trust.  Your Head Coach has to actually be able to coach football however, be a coordinator, actually have your coordinators on campus, not have HS former HC still teaching as your Coordinators.  and be able to hire some solid part time guys along with interns.  If they want to win, MSJ actually has to prove they want to.

I think MSJ's approach to athletics will steer a lot of outside folks away and honestly, MSJ has never gone "outside" so there's no reason to think they will start now. The next head coach will be someone on staff and/or former coach/player. I would be shocked if it was not. I didn't think of PJ but he'd be a good choice IMO and his biggest asset may be recruiting the South where there are not many D3 schools and good players tend to fall through the cracks because they aren't quite D1. Plus being the HC at MSJ has to pay more than LB coach at Kennesaw State. I'd be surprised if Jesse would consider it. He's in the NFL now and unless he really wants to be a head coach and doesn't care where, I can't see him leaving The League to come to MSJ. I still think whether the alumni like him or not Huster is a very real option. I'm torn. I grew up with him and his family was a big help to me growing up but I certainly see and acknowledge his shortcomings as a coach and a person. The bottom line is he has the experience, has had success (won conference championships with 2 different teams in D2), he's a very good recruiter though the integrity of those players he brought in can be questioned, and MSJ's best 2 seasons since the last playoff team in 2009 were his recruits. I tend to agree about Pross. I haven't talked to him in a while but what I hear is he really enjoys it at Oak Hills.

In a perfect world Jim Hilvert would be the answer but again, we all know, barring an act of God, that's not happening.

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The money he deserves probably isn't as important as the ability to compete nationally. Baldwin Wallace is miles closer to competing nationally than MSJ is. We don't even know what competing nationally out of the HCAC looks like, really.

I agree, but Thomas More was 5-6 years removed from being nationally relevant when Coach Hilvert took over. 2-3 years later it was a different story. It's not out of the question to think he could do the same with MSJ...however, I think anyone in the know, realizes MSJ won't put things in place that he would need to reach that level of success.

If I were MSJ. I'd keep Hopperton in place for this upcoming year, then try to buy Coach Hilvert from Baldwin Wallace. He's always been a Cincinnati/NKY guy and I think he would love to come back if given the chance. That won't ever happen because MSJ as an institution doesn't care enough about maintaining winning athletic teams to offer him the $$$ he deserves to bring him in. Which is a shame because it would take him a couple years (like it did in the early 2000's) and TMC but MSJ would be back to being a playoff team.

As of now, I'd look at 3 former players and/or assistants as being the frontrunner for the job. Kyle Prosser, Greg Huster, and Vince Suriano. Vince is a football mastermind, Huster is a great recruiter, and Pross is kind of the jack of all trades in regards to college. Although Kevin and I disagree about Huster's intentions, I think the opportunity to come back to Cincy (where his and wife's family are located) and run his own program would be hard to pass up. Prosser just took over his former HS's program last year and I don't know one way or the other how he feels about going back to college to coach. Vince spent the past 4 seasons at UC but is supposedly "retired" and runs his own QB training. I know the 4 years at UC were hard on him and he's getting close to 70 but those "lifers" sometimes can't let it go.

If I had to pick one, it would be Huster. The only reason he came to MSJ was for the opportunity to take over when Hubie retired. That didn't happen in the time frame he thought so he left for Davenport because it was a better opportunity to get him closer to being a HC.

Gonna be a new Head Coach on the sidelines next year for the Lions. Coach Huber is retiring.

Best of luck to RHIT.

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Wow, why is MSJ always a bunch of thugs?  Four personal fouls and two ejections today.  Happens every year!

And SaintsFan will have something to say in 3...2...1...

Yes.  That doesn't surprise me at all.  The ejection of the OL could've had their CB kicked out too for removing his helmet.  It's a lack of discipline and it's why they lose big in games against good teams.

This results from a lack of accountability- if you're good enough to start there, the team rules don't apply to you.

It's not only personal fouls. Vince's last year we played FC really close at their place (it was the year we should/could have beaten TMC). We had 4th and inches and had a false start. Our RB jumped the gun on a QB sneak. We ended up not getting it. FC scored the next possession which sealed the game. Until that false start, we were only down a score (I think it was 35-30) and were pretty deep into FC territory at the time. Making big time mistakes in big time moments wasn't case in the mid 2000's. Many FC fans will remember the 7+ minute drive we went on and the back of the endzone TD catch Wellendorf caught to win the game in 2004.

"It will be awhile until TMC slips enough to encourage Hubie to make a call to Crestview Hills, inquiring about a future game."

I think we both know the answer to that question....one way or the other. Just so everyone knows, there was 1 guy on staff who wanted to keep playing.....not saying who, but there was 1.

Anyway, I hope they can compete against Franklin and have a chance at the end.

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This MSJ team and the one that competed for the 1st 3 weeks are 2 different teams. The first 3 weeks, MSJ failed to score 30 combined points. Something clicked, or they found out who could/could not play and righted the ship. I'm happy for them as I feared they were heading towards a losing record which I don't think they've had since 2001 (0-10 season). Hopefully they can continue getting better and pull out a win against FC but history has shown me 2 things. 1 - the Cubs won't win the world series. 2 - MSJ will struggle on defense against FC and will have a hard time scoring at the same rate.

No dude, after the first three weeks they played 4 teams with 2 wins or fewer (including two wins against teams who haven't won a game since 2015).  Maybe they are clicking now, we'll find out this weekend.  They've truly played some horrible, horrible football teams.  I watched a bit last week.  Thomas More would put another 75 spot on the board to send the coaches voting to not play the Saints for a few more years.  Literally, I don't think MSJ could handle the speed on Defense and would get blown off the football when TMC had the ball.  4 of the 5 OL are over 300 and can move.

Crazy how TMC and FC are trending in opposite directions after their first game.

I'm not saying they are good. Playing the competition they have certainly helps, but being 0-3 and only scoring 29 total points to start the year wasn't because they were playing great teams. Augustana isn't any good, Bluffton is average, and DePauw is above average/good. Sitting at 0-3 I expected them to lose to Franklin and RHIT leaving the last game against Defiance as the decider of whether they had a losing season or not. I'm just happy at this point, they won't have a losing season. Whether or not they could compete against TMC is irrelevant.

This MSJ team and the one that competed for the 1st 3 weeks are 2 different teams. The first 3 weeks, MSJ failed to score 30 combined points. Something clicked, or they found out who could/could not play and righted the ship. I'm happy for them as I feared they were heading towards a losing record which I don't think they've had since 2001 (0-10 season). Hopefully they can continue getting better and pull out a win against FC but history has shown me 2 things. 1 - the Cubs won't win the world series. 2 - MSJ will struggle on defense against FC and will have a hard time scoring at the same rate.