I want to also offer my congrats to the W&J team and coaching staff for winning the PAC.  I can only imagine the adversity and emotion they have fought through this year. 

All the best in the playoffs.   

Same as it ever was....same as it ever was...same as it ever was.

Maybe I should stay online.   

Quick response by the offense finally, 17-14. 

Been out of town.  Belated thoughts and prayers to the Thiel community.

Listening to the game, 17-7 TMC early in the second quarter.  Defense sounds like it's played well under the circumstances the offense is putting them in. 

Quote from: footballfan12 on September 17, 2010, 11:21:07 AM
I still think W&J football is where it needs to be. I find it hilarious that an alumni (I am guessing) is complaining about a program that averages 10 wins a season and is one of the top two programs every year in the conference.

You are entitled to your opinion, and can see how you would disagree with me.   I'm sure many at the college are also satisfied with having a 'winning program', including alums that just enjoy an afternoon at College Field and watch them pick apart the St. Vincent's, Bethany's, etc.   You seem to be that type, and nothing wrong with that.

To me and others that may have been more invested or involved with the program, we see it much different.  It's clearly not as good of a program as it used to be.  I guess it all depends on what your expectations are.

Quote from: footballfan12 on September 15, 2010, 10:11:35 AM
And the bashing of the W&J football team begins. Did I miss a few weeks or was it just week 1?

Burghboy, you continually complain about the current football staff at W&J and try to compare them to years past? If you have not noticed, the PAC has expanded and has changed the conference a lot.

Also, when you say current staff, do you limit it to just the coaches or do you mean administration (i.e. Athletic Director, Admission Staff, President) also?

I look forward to another week of Football.

If all I do is 'complain', then surely you should know who I have directed the critical remarks toward and at times have included more than just coaches. 

This conference has basically added one 'expansion' team that can truly win the conference at this point, which is TMC.    Furthermore, I believe since '03 (the current coaching staff) W&J lost the PAC with teams that already existed, including Thiel and Waynesburg. 

They were dominated in the opener, but that's only 'Week 1', right?  I guess W&J supporters forgot losing the PAC on home field last year.  If anything, the 'expansion' is in more teams going to the playoffs, which allowed a second place team to get crushed in a 55-0 game it didn't deserve to get.  I guess we all should forget that too.

Hey, to each their own.   I'll leave the cheerleading to you.  It isn't my style, especially from what I have seen from this program in recent years when it comes to what the expectations are.   These are my own opinions, but I feel pretty comfortable saying I'm far from alone in having them.

The broadcast was good as always Bob.  My "performance" was meant on the field only 

Quote from: the_burghboy on October 31, 2009, 08:16:19 PM
W&J needs to be judged on what the program is TODAY, not on the 'reputation' they have in terms of national recognition.  With all due respect and playoff appearances aside, it's a program that has lost the PAC more than won it under the current staff.

I posted this after the TMC game last fall.  This program has continued to regress in my opinion under the current staff. 

Having a 'winning football team' is not enough.  Listening to the performance of that broadcast was a joke, and I can only hope they are judged on their performance this season instead of reputations in past ones.

Judging from what I listened to, they may have no choice. 

Hope all is well.  I hate winter too.

There has been whispers like that for years.  No disrespect to 'footballfan' and his post, but I wouldn't buy it unless I saw something official. 

As much as we are all engaged with football, it's a conference that supports all the other sports from a logistic standpoint as well as other facets.  Under this president and athletic department, I would be surpised to see any movement.

Quote from: footballfan12 on November 03, 2009, 01:41:24 PM
I believe that there is no doubt the W&J will be out of the PAC over the next couple of years.  I believe this change is another one of those "INSTITUTIONALLY THINGS". 

Just curious, but can you give more detail of why you think this? 

CMU was in the PAC, their last season was 1989.

As to why they left, it probably depends on who you ask.  I believe their official position at the time was similar to reasoning CC gave with other programs. 

Of course, we thought they wanted out of playing us in football, though the last game they beat W&J and ended up sharing the PAC title that year. 

You are a kind man Mr. Gregg.  No matter what those trick-or-treaters knocking on your door think.  

Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 02, 2009, 04:01:30 PM
I remember in 1999 Carnegie Mellon swore we were running up the score on them ---- it wasn't that, even our back ups were inspired and frankly, CMU wasn't as good as they felt they were. 

Running up the score on those guys is a good thing. 

Quote from: touchdownman2010 on November 02, 2009, 03:14:13 PM
Burgh,

Not really agreeing with you on the Banny days vs. today. I will agree that Lucky had things going with two national runner ups, no one in the program has matched that yet.

But, when you look at the Banny days, he finished 10-0 once. Never made it past the second round of the playoffs. And his teams were never ranked in the top 10 at the end of the season.

Today's Program, they have been undefeated multiple times. They have made it to the quarterfinals on two different occassions and they have been ranked as a Top 10 program twice as well.

So, if you can explain to me how it was better back then, I am willing to listen...

Also, any thoughts on the Geneva/Thomas More game?

I'm not really trying to convince anyone of my opinion.  I never watched a team under the last two staffs play as flat with as much on the line Saturday, but the players need to be held accountable as well.

I think the playoff format has also changed in that span, so the advancement of rounds could be debated, and Banaszak only coached four years I believe.  What can't be debated is that he won the PAC every season he coached there.

Hey, agree to disagree.  I watched the last 'undefeated' team you mention blow a #1 seed at home to NC Wesleyan in '07.  That seems to be left out of your argument, but we all have our opinions. 

I would love to be wrong, see W&J get a bid and run through the playoffs.   I'm an alum, donor, and fan of the college and it's program and will continue to be.  That said, to take a page from Bob Gregg, I also "call em like I see em", and that is what I see.