Quote from: Jonny Utah on May 06, 2009, 07:02:10 AM

Quote from: TGP on May 06, 2009, 12:10:54 AM
2009 NYY relief pitching =

+ The Red Sox lineup...
+ Jason Bay comming to the plate...

k+ True dat.  Bay is a FA after this season.  TGP fully expects the Ca$hman to go after him.

Quote from: AUPepBand on May 06, 2009, 09:39:27 AM

Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on May 05, 2009, 02:52:50 PM
That would suck if the E8 dissolves, I love the conference especially for football.  So many interesting conference matchups with a lot on the line.  But for all the other sports (basketball, lacrosse now, etc.) Naz leaving to the LL and Fisher seemingly left to twiddle their thumbs (anybody know what schools like Fisher and Alfred would do?) that would kind of put a damper on the East Avenue rivalry...

The time for a Super New York Conference is now!  Join what will be left of the Empire 8 with the LL and create the Empire League.  Split it into two divisions and have ourselves a ball.   

Call it the Liberty Empire! Can you imagine the LL and E8 boards merging on Post Patterns?

There could be a Pep and a Gro division.

Quote from: TGP on May 06, 2009, 09:57:30 AM

Quote from: AUPepBand on May 06, 2009, 09:39:27 AM

Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on May 05, 2009, 02:52:50 PM
That would suck if the E8 dissolves, I love the conference especially for football.  So many interesting conference matchups with a lot on the line.  But for all the other sports (basketball, lacrosse now, etc.) Naz leaving to the LL and Fisher seemingly left to twiddle their thumbs (anybody know what schools like Fisher and Alfred would do?) that would kind of put a damper on the East Avenue rivalry...

The time for a Super New York Conference is now!  Join what will be left of the Empire 8 with the LL and create the Empire League.  Split it into two divisions and have ourselves a ball.   

Call it the Liberty Empire! Can you imagine the LL and E8 boards merging on Post Patterns?

There could be a Pep and a Gro division.

Let's make this happen. Honestly though, it would really make NY football strong and under one huge umbrella. We may even hear someone out in Ohio saying, "those boys in NY play some pretty good football over there!"

Liberty Empire Football 2009

Gro Conference: Union, RPI (sucks), Cortland, Brockport, Buff St, SLU, Morrisville, Maritime

Pep COnference: Alfred, Bart, Ithaca, Rochester, Fisher, Wick, MM, Utica

Quote from: dlippiel on May 06, 2009, 12:02:14 PM

Quote from: TGP on May 06, 2009, 09:57:30 AM

Quote from: AUPepBand on May 06, 2009, 09:39:27 AM

Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on May 05, 2009, 02:52:50 PM
That would suck if the E8 dissolves, I love the conference especially for football.  So many interesting conference matchups with a lot on the line.  But for all the other sports (basketball, lacrosse now, etc.) Naz leaving to the LL and Fisher seemingly left to twiddle their thumbs (anybody know what schools like Fisher and Alfred would do?) that would kind of put a damper on the East Avenue rivalry...

The time for a Super New York Conference is now!  Join what will be left of the Empire 8 with the LL and create the Empire League.  Split it into two divisions and have ourselves a ball.   

Call it the Liberty Empire! Can you imagine the LL and E8 boards merging on Post Patterns?

There could be a Pep and a Gro division.

Let's make this happen. Honestly though, it would really make NY football strong and under one huge umbrella. We may even hear someone out in Ohio saying, "those boys in NY play some pretty good football over there!"

Liberty Empire Football 2009

Gro Conference: Union, RPI (sucks), Cortland, Brockport, Buff St, SLU, Morrisville, Maritime

Pep COnference: Alfred, Bart, Ithaca, Rochester, Fisher, Wick, MM, Utica

Shouldn't we swap Wick, MM and Utica for Cortland, Port and Buff St to create an East/West feel for the league?

And, as has been pointed out ad nauseum, while this league would be wildly entertaining for us fans, it would essentially limit the number of playoff teams to a Pool A and a Pool C in place of the current 2 pool A (3 if Cortland wins the NJAC) and 1 or 2 Pool C bids.

I like the crossover games that the MAC has scheduled with the CC I think.  LL/E8 crossovers would be great for NY football (EDIT: and it wouldn't reduce the amount of playoff bids). Without checking tiebreakers from 2008 you'd have these match ups in this year's Enginegro Kickoff Classic brought to you by Frank's Red Hot.



IC/Bart
Wick/RPI
Alfred/WPI
SJF/Union
Springfield/Susquehanna
Utica/Rochester
Norwich/MMA

The top 4 would be good OOC games. Poor St. Lawrence would be left out though.

LL Baseball Tournament set to kick off on Friday.  RPi is hosting it as usual, and is playing Skidmore at 3:30.  Rochester and Clakrson kick it off at 12:00.  Hopefully RPI takes care of business.  They tend to stumble a bit at the end of every year...

Quote from: 'gro on May 06, 2009, 09:18:54 AM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on May 06, 2009, 08:44:40 AM
I dislike the AQ system more and more after seeing what happened to Ithaca in Lax football this year.  Id rather see the weaker conferences have to have their regular season champs play each other the last week of the season instead of taking a spot away from a better team walking into butterfield and skeet skeet skeeting curry flavored purple drank all over bomber nation. 

Fixed.

Funny...but Im still going to call that game a fluke.  If Cortland didn't blow them and Plymouth out, and then get beat bad by MUC, Id give Curry a little more credit. 

But I also think the NEFC should get an AQ for football even though it could be close to getting 2 aqs if it wanted to.  Plus, I think the NEFC is fine for the AQ because they do what I think should be done in Lax and other sports where some leagues top teams are so bad they would be last place teams in other leagues.  See how the d3 lax tourney was set up this year.

Quote from: TGP on May 06, 2009, 09:57:01 AM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on May 06, 2009, 07:02:10 AM

Quote from: TGP on May 06, 2009, 12:10:54 AM
2009 NYY relief pitching =

+ The Red Sox lineup...
+ Jason Bay comming to the plate...

k+ True dat.  Bay is a FA after this season.  TGP fully expects the Ca$hman to go after him.

Cashman has no clue what hes doing.  He would probably give Bay 100 million while the next year he hits .225 and 9 homers. 

Little piece on this kid going to Hobart next year from Lasalle Institute.  He's small, but apparently pretty talented.  Funny thing is our rushing game was pretty weak last year (although I personally think Marlier/Tritten who looked really good against Lyco and Simon represent a pretty good running game next year) and the secondary is pretty well set with Woodard (SO), Syzmanski (SR) and Keyes, who played well as a backup to Boyington. 

http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2009/apr/14/0414_hsnotes/

I don't get all this talk about schools moving into the LL.  I kind of get Ithaca, but not NAZ or RIT so much and certainly don't understand all these other people thinking their schools should just join.  While some are more liberal arts (Union/Bart/SLU/Vassar/Skidmore) and some are more math/sciences (RPI/Clarkson/Rochester/WPI for football), it should be real obvious the type of fit schools are or aren't for the current group of schools.  This isn't intended to be a snub or anything else, but kids look at certain types of schools in clusters.  The guys I knew at Bart had lower level ivy's (typically in the reach category but not always by any stretch), nescac (especially Tinity, Conn College and Hamilton), patriot league and other LL schools on their general list of schools applied to (some others like Kenyon, Denison, Gettysburg, etc.).  I didn't know too many that looked at any of the E8 schools except sometimes Ithaca and (for the more hard sciences inclined) Alfred.  Other than a very myopic view of DIII upstate NY football and nothing else, what is the rationale behind this though process?   

I do understand the nervousness about conference realignment.  Bart got bounced out of the Patriot League for lacrosse and now with the acquiesence of Cuse, the introduction of a lax Big East is changing a number of conferences.  The old ECAC loses GTown, St. John's, UMass (Colonial), Penn St. (Colonial) and picks up Air Force, Denver, Bellarmine, Ohio State and Quinnipiac (along with Bart, Loyola and Fairfield).  The travel requirements are so absurd that it is assumed that Loyola and Fairfield will eventually join the MAAC (terrible lax conference), Q goes to the newly formed NAC and Bart's stuck as an independent in a system that is slowly eradicating non-conference programs (other than Johns Hopkins, who can kind of do what they want). 

Quote from: Jonny Utah on May 06, 2009, 04:14:09 PM

Quote from: 'gro on May 06, 2009, 09:18:54 AM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on May 06, 2009, 08:44:40 AM
I dislike the AQ system more and more after seeing what happened to Ithaca in Lax football this year.  Id rather see the weaker conferences have to have their regular season champs play each other the last week of the season instead of taking a spot away from a better team walking into butterfield and skeet skeet skeeting curry flavored purple drank all over bomber nation. 

Fixed.

Funny...but Im still going to call that game a fluke.  If Cortland didn't blow them and Plymouth out, and then get beat bad by MUC, Id give Curry a little more credit. 

But I also think the NEFC should get an AQ for football even though it could be close to getting 2 aqs if it wanted to.  Plus, I think the NEFC is fine for the AQ because they do what I think should be done in Lax and other sports where some leagues top teams are so bad they would be last place teams in other leagues.  See how the d3 lax tourney was set up this year.

Utah,
Have you been hanging out with NLNG from the NEFC?? 

No fluke.....check the scoreboard....IC lost the game.

PA -

Thx for the update on the kid from LaSalle.  If he's talented, TGP is certain he'll see the field this season.  Marlier took a lot of heat over the season, but he came into his own when it counted.  That Simon kid from Taft will get more PT this year too in my opinion.  May be another year of RB by committee but that may not be bad depending on whether Vella plays like he did against Rocho last season (hopefully he plays like he did against the Gros).

The PL boot (and subsequent ECAC landing) is pretty much the root cause of all the issues facing Hobart in the D1 lax landscape IMO.  Having a conference with like schools and an AQ to the tournament at any level is absolutely critical to recruiting and competing in this day and age.  It's not a coincidence, football wise anyway, that Hobart took off in the mid-2000's thanks to the development of the LL, the AQ, etc.

In LA news, Dodgers going for 13-0 at home tonight, fires burning in Santa Barbara and TGP is not paying attention to a team from Minnesota that now makes its home at the Staples Center.

Quote from: pumkinattack on May 06, 2009, 10:40:00 PM
Little piece on this kid going to Hobart next year from Lasalle Institute.  He's small, but apparently pretty talented.  Funny thing is our rushing game was pretty weak last year (although I personally think Marlier/Tritten who looked really good against Lyco and Simon represent a pretty good running game next year) and the secondary is pretty well set with Woodard (SO), Syzmanski (SR) and Keyes, who played well as a backup to Boyington. 

http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2009/apr/14/0414_hsnotes/

I don't get all this talk about schools moving into the LL.  I kind of get Ithaca, but not NAZ or RIT so much and certainly don't understand all these other people thinking their schools should just join.  While some are more liberal arts (Union/Bart/SLU/Vassar/Skidmore) and some are more math/sciences (RPI/Clarkson/Rochester/WPI for football), it should be real obvious the type of fit schools are or aren't for the current group of schools.  This isn't intended to be a snub or anything else, but kids look at certain types of schools in clusters.  The guys I knew at Bart had lower level ivy's (typically in the reach category but not always by any stretch), nescac (especially Tinity, Conn College and Hamilton), patriot league and other LL schools on their general list of schools applied to (some others like Kenyon, Denison, Gettysburg, etc.).  I didn't know too many that looked at any of the E8 schools except sometimes Ithaca and (for the more hard sciences inclined) Alfred.  Other than a very myopic view of DIII upstate NY football and nothing else, what is the rationale behind this though process?   

I do understand the nervousness about conference realignment.  Bart got bounced out of the Patriot League for lacrosse and now with the acquiesence of Cuse, the introduction of a lax Big East is changing a number of conferences.  The old ECAC loses GTown, St. John's, UMass (Colonial), Penn St. (Colonial) and picks up Air Force, Denver, Bellarmine, Ohio State and Quinnipiac (along with Bart, Loyola and Fairfield).  The travel requirements are so absurd that it is assumed that Loyola and Fairfield will eventually join the MAAC (terrible lax conference), Q goes to the newly formed NAC and Bart's stuck as an independent in a system that is slowly eradicating non-conference programs (other than Johns Hopkins, who can kind of do what they want). 

good info PA....pbr will say the lax landscape is really going to change in the next 5 years big time. the big schools are finally putting $$$ into their lax programs and schools like penn st. are hiring top coaches and recruiting hard where it was always 'cuse, bart, johns hopkins angling for the top kids. now these traditional powers are going to have to compete with a lot of other schools w/ top facilities and money. this is going to cause a lot of realignments of leagues w/ teams moving up  from the club level

Quote from: Union89 on May 06, 2009, 10:53:23 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on May 06, 2009, 04:14:09 PM

Quote from: 'gro on May 06, 2009, 09:18:54 AM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on May 06, 2009, 08:44:40 AM
I dislike the AQ system more and more after seeing what happened to Ithaca in Lax football this year.  Id rather see the weaker conferences have to have their regular season champs play each other the last week of the season instead of taking a spot away from a better team walking into butterfield and skeet skeet skeeting curry flavored purple drank all over bomber nation. 

Fixed.

Funny...but Im still going to call that game a fluke.  If Cortland didn't blow them and Plymouth out, and then get beat bad by MUC, Id give Curry a little more credit. 

But I also think the NEFC should get an AQ for football even though it could be close to getting 2 aqs if it wanted to.  Plus, I think the NEFC is fine for the AQ because they do what I think should be done in Lax and other sports where some leagues top teams are so bad they would be last place teams in other leagues.  See how the d3 lax tourney was set up this year.

Utah,
Have you been hanging out with NLNG from the NEFC?? 

No fluke.....check the scoreboard....IC lost the game.

U89 do you think flukes can happen in sports?

I had seen Curry, Cortland and IC all play a bunch of times the last few years.  Ithaca was better than both of those teams.  I forgot IC didn't have their #1 quarterback or #1 running back so maybe it wasn't a fluke with both those guys out you are right.

Quote from: Jonny Utah on May 07, 2009, 07:53:09 AM

Quote from: Union89 on May 06, 2009, 10:53:23 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on May 06, 2009, 04:14:09 PM

Quote from: 'gro on May 06, 2009, 09:18:54 AM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on May 06, 2009, 08:44:40 AM
I dislike the AQ system more and more after seeing what happened to Ithaca in Lax football this year.  Id rather see the weaker conferences have to have their regular season champs play each other the last week of the season instead of taking a spot away from a better team walking into butterfield and skeet skeet skeeting curry flavored purple drank all over bomber nation. 

Fixed.

Funny...but Im still going to call that game a fluke.  If Cortland didn't blow them and Plymouth out, and then get beat bad by MUC, Id give Curry a little more credit. 

But I also think the NEFC should get an AQ for football even though it could be close to getting 2 aqs if it wanted to.  Plus, I think the NEFC is fine for the AQ because they do what I think should be done in Lax and other sports where some leagues top teams are so bad they would be last place teams in other leagues.  See how the d3 lax tourney was set up this year.

Utah,
Have you been hanging out with NLNG from the NEFC?? 

No fluke.....check the scoreboard....IC lost the game.

U89 do you think flukes can happen in sports?

I had seen Curry, Cortland and IC all play a bunch of times the last few years.  Ithaca was better than both of those teams.  I forgot IC didn't have their #1 quarterback or #1 running back so maybe it wasn't a fluke with both those guys out you are right.

scoreboard says dem spice boyz were better (curry)....everyone has injuries and has to overcome them at some point in a season. curry was the better team, it was settled on the field not in a poll....

Quote from: pumkinattack on May 06, 2009, 10:40:00 PM
Little piece on this kid going to Hobart next year from Lasalle Institute.  He's small, but apparently pretty talented.  Funny thing is our rushing game was pretty weak last year (although I personally think Marlier/Tritten who looked really good against Lyco and Simon represent a pretty good running game next year) and the secondary is pretty well set with Woodard (SO), Syzmanski (SR) and Keyes, who played well as a backup to Boyington. 

http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2009/apr/14/0414_hsnotes/

I don't get all this talk about schools moving into the LL.  I kind of get Ithaca, but not NAZ or RIT so much and certainly don't understand all these other people thinking their schools should just join.  While some are more liberal arts (Union/Bart/SLU/Vassar/Skidmore) and some are more math/sciences (RPI/Clarkson/Rochester/WPI for football), it should be real obvious the type of fit schools are or aren't for the current group of schools.  This isn't intended to be a snub or anything else, but kids look at certain types of schools in clusters.  The guys I knew at Bart had lower level ivy's (typically in the reach category but not always by any stretch), nescac (especially Tinity, Conn College and Hamilton), patriot league and other LL schools on their general list of schools applied to (some others like Kenyon, Denison, Gettysburg, etc.).  I didn't know too many that looked at any of the E8 schools except sometimes Ithaca and (for the more hard sciences inclined) Alfred.  Other than a very myopic view of DIII upstate NY football and nothing else, what is the rationale behind this though process?   

I do understand the nervousness about conference realignment.  Bart got bounced out of the Patriot League for lacrosse and now with the acquiesence of Cuse, the introduction of a lax Big East is changing a number of conferences.  The old ECAC loses GTown, St. John's, UMass (Colonial), Penn St. (Colonial) and picks up Air Force, Denver, Bellarmine, Ohio State and Quinnipiac (along with Bart, Loyola and Fairfield).  The travel requirements are so absurd that it is assumed that Loyola and Fairfield will eventually join the MAAC (terrible lax conference), Q goes to the newly formed NAC and Bart's stuck as an independent in a system that is slowly eradicating non-conference programs (other than Johns Hopkins, who can kind of do what they want). 

pumpkinattack I saw this kid play at Lasalle and he is very very athletic. He ran the ball very well and I feel he has the athleticism to really be a solid DB. He is not very big but he is quick and seems like he has good football sense. It will be interesting to see if he does take some time running the ball as well. I think he is very capable running the ball out of the backfield as well. I wish him tons of luck (except when he plays Union). It is always nice to see a local kid playing some solid college ball. I was curious as to where he would end up in college. I was not aware of his academic ability but most that attend Lasalle tend to have a good head on their shoulders.