Quote from: Dark Knight on December 14, 2011, 05:05:01 PM
It looks as though Hope just escaped a bad mistake by the skin of their teeth. Selecting the right person as the next college president makes a huge difference to a college. You need someone with wisdom, grace, and especially, good judgment. But, sometimes you just don't know a person until he is really tested.

Hope had one candidate remaining for the next college president, a candidate everyone was enthusiastic about. However, that candidate revealed in the 11th hour his very bad judgment by withdrawing his name from Hope's search when Calvin selected him as their sole candidate for president.

Phew! Saved!

I'm not sure how to interpret this. Are you saying you're glad for Hope? Are you saying you're upset for Calvin? Are you questioning his integrity?

Both Hope's and Calvin's Presidents retired the same years. Both schools scheduled their searches coterminously. Both schools alighted upon the same candidate. Both schools interviewed this candidate. Both schools liked this candidate, which speaks to his abilities and character. The candidate, after interviewing at both schools, had a difficult choice to make. We both read the same Bible. We both pray to the same God. The prayers of both could not be answered. The prayers of neither have been answered fully. But I can see no reason in any of this to accuse the candidate of a lack of integrity. He went to both schools in good faith, genuinely interested in being president at either, but unable to be president at both. He had to make a choice and made it. That's not his problem nor an exercise of "very bad judgment." In fact, he was in a position where he couldn't make a bad choice.

Quote from: pedro12 on December 15, 2011, 11:12:06 AM
hope can have him as far as i'm concerned.

I'm assuming "him" means LeRoy.  If so, explain on what basis you are making this statement.

Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 15, 2011, 11:32:32 AM
I find it somewhat surprising that Calvin would select someone with a PC(USA) background.

(and FWIW, Whitworth has football)

I trust that the search committee dived deeper than the denominational labels to look at the individual and all the attributes he could bring to the position, which has to include having a theology consistent with Calvin and the CRC. 

As an aside, Dr. Le Roy's bio states that he has been involved with coaching youth sports.  Here's hoping that his presidency will be distinguished by a strong commitment to, in addition to the academic/spiritual/financial aspects, the competitive athletic part of our institution.  It'll be interesting to see what changes are in store for the future, not just for a potential football program, but the long term direction of the men's basketball program.  It may be coincidental, but up until Dr. Byker's retirement next year, the Byker presidency/VandeStreek coaching tenure have pretty much covered the same timespan, within a year I believe.

Quote from: HopeConvert on December 15, 2011, 01:15:27 PM

Quote from: Dark Knight on December 14, 2011, 05:05:01 PM
It looks as though Hope just escaped a bad mistake by the skin of their teeth. Selecting the right person as the next college president makes a huge difference to a college. You need someone with wisdom, grace, and especially, good judgment. But, sometimes you just don't know a person until he is really tested.

Hope had one candidate remaining for the next college president, a candidate everyone was enthusiastic about. However, that candidate revealed in the 11th hour his very bad judgment by withdrawing his name from Hope's search when Calvin selected him as their sole candidate for president.

Phew! Saved!

I'm not sure how to interpret this. Are you saying you're glad for Hope? Are you saying you're upset for Calvin? Are you questioning his integrity?

Both Hope's and Calvin's Presidents retired the same years. Both schools scheduled their searches coterminously. Both schools alighted upon the same candidate. Both schools interviewed this candidate. Both schools liked this candidate, which speaks to his abilities and character. The candidate, after interviewing at both schools, had a difficult choice to make. We both read the same Bible. We both pray to the same God. The prayers of both could not be answered. The prayers of neither have been answered fully. But I can see no reason in any of this to accuse the candidate of a lack of integrity. He went to both schools in good faith, genuinely interested in being president at either, but unable to be president at both. He had to make a choice and made it. That's not his problem nor an exercise of "very bad judgment." In fact, he was in a position where he couldn't make a bad choice.

For the humor-impaired: 

Quote from: Dark Knight on December 15, 2011, 01:26:11 PM

Quote from: HopeConvert on December 15, 2011, 01:15:27 PM

Quote from: Dark Knight on December 14, 2011, 05:05:01 PM
It looks as though Hope just escaped a bad mistake by the skin of their teeth. Selecting the right person as the next college president makes a huge difference to a college. You need someone with wisdom, grace, and especially, good judgment. But, sometimes you just don't know a person until he is really tested.

Hope had one candidate remaining for the next college president, a candidate everyone was enthusiastic about. However, that candidate revealed in the 11th hour his very bad judgment by withdrawing his name from Hope's search when Calvin selected him as their sole candidate for president.

Phew! Saved!

I'm not sure how to interpret this. Are you saying you're glad for Hope? Are you saying you're upset for Calvin? Are you questioning his integrity?

Both Hope's and Calvin's Presidents retired the same years. Both schools scheduled their searches coterminously. Both schools alighted upon the same candidate. Both schools interviewed this candidate. Both schools liked this candidate, which speaks to his abilities and character. The candidate, after interviewing at both schools, had a difficult choice to make. We both read the same Bible. We both pray to the same God. The prayers of both could not be answered. The prayers of neither have been answered fully. But I can see no reason in any of this to accuse the candidate of a lack of integrity. He went to both schools in good faith, genuinely interested in being president at either, but unable to be president at both. He had to make a choice and made it. That's not his problem nor an exercise of "very bad judgment." In fact, he was in a position where he couldn't make a bad choice.

For the humor-impaired: 

Interesting. Having spent time with Knights Old and Good I have first-hand evidence that Calvin fans can be very clever. I would not have drawn that conclusion from Dark Knight.

Quote from: Dark Knight on December 15, 2011, 01:26:11 PM

Quote from: HopeConvert on December 15, 2011, 01:15:27 PM

Quote from: Dark Knight on December 14, 2011, 05:05:01 PM
It looks as though Hope just escaped a bad mistake by the skin of their teeth. Selecting the right person as the next college president makes a huge difference to a college. You need someone with wisdom, grace, and especially, good judgment. But, sometimes you just don't know a person until he is really tested.

Hope had one candidate remaining for the next college president, a candidate everyone was enthusiastic about. However, that candidate revealed in the 11th hour his very bad judgment by withdrawing his name from Hope's search when Calvin selected him as their sole candidate for president.

Phew! Saved!

I'm not sure how to interpret this. Are you saying you're glad for Hope? Are you saying you're upset for Calvin? Are you questioning his integrity?

Both Hope's and Calvin's Presidents retired the same years. Both schools scheduled their searches coterminously. Both schools alighted upon the same candidate. Both schools interviewed this candidate. Both schools liked this candidate, which speaks to his abilities and character. The candidate, after interviewing at both schools, had a difficult choice to make. We both read the same Bible. We both pray to the same God. The prayers of both could not be answered. The prayers of neither have been answered fully. But I can see no reason in any of this to accuse the candidate of a lack of integrity. He went to both schools in good faith, genuinely interested in being president at either, but unable to be president at both. He had to make a choice and made it. That's not his problem nor an exercise of "very bad judgment." In fact, he was in a position where he couldn't make a bad choice.

For the humor-impaired: 

Pardon me. "Differently humored."

Quote from: Dark Knight on December 15, 2011, 01:32:33 PM

Quote from: Dark Knight on December 15, 2011, 01:26:11 PM

Quote from: HopeConvert on December 15, 2011, 01:15:27 PM

Quote from: Dark Knight on December 14, 2011, 05:05:01 PM
It looks as though Hope just escaped a bad mistake by the skin of their teeth. Selecting the right person as the next college president makes a huge difference to a college. You need someone with wisdom, grace, and especially, good judgment. But, sometimes you just don't know a person until he is really tested.

Hope had one candidate remaining for the next college president, a candidate everyone was enthusiastic about. However, that candidate revealed in the 11th hour his very bad judgment by withdrawing his name from Hope's search when Calvin selected him as their sole candidate for president.

Phew! Saved!

I'm not sure how to interpret this. Are you saying you're glad for Hope? Are you saying you're upset for Calvin? Are you questioning his integrity?

Both Hope's and Calvin's Presidents retired the same years. Both schools scheduled their searches coterminously. Both schools alighted upon the same candidate. Both schools interviewed this candidate. Both schools liked this candidate, which speaks to his abilities and character. The candidate, after interviewing at both schools, had a difficult choice to make. We both read the same Bible. We both pray to the same God. The prayers of both could not be answered. The prayers of neither have been answered fully. But I can see no reason in any of this to accuse the candidate of a lack of integrity. He went to both schools in good faith, genuinely interested in being president at either, but unable to be president at both. He had to make a choice and made it. That's not his problem nor an exercise of "very bad judgment." In fact, he was in a position where he couldn't make a bad choice.

For the humor-impaired: 

Pardon me. "Differently humored."

It wasn't funny because it didn't refer to anything. I can assure you no one I know at Hope thinks they dodged a bullet.

Todays game:

Bethany at Olivet --- pretty odd match-up, a mid-week non-conference game involving lots of travel in the middle of exam season.  Also odd because the MIAA just doesn't see too many President's Athletic Conference teams on the schedules.

The Bison come in 9-0 and haven't really lost many games since last January,  they made the NCAA's losing in the first round to Manchester.  Bethany has beaten 2 teams with winning records this year Thomas More and Baldwin-Wallace, BW is an interesting win because they beat Marietta.  Otherwise Bethany's schedule has been pretty mediocre, consisting of teams that will hover around .500 and a couple that are probably destined to finish last in their conference.  (from memory this is actually an upgrade in schedule strength)

Bethany doesn't appear to be real deep at least from a points perspective, 6 guys will play most of the minutes and score most of the points....maybe 9 deep, but not sure what the other 3 bring to the court.  They do look like they create a lot of turnovers and steals.

From an Olivet/MIAA perspective this would be a huge win considering Bethany is likely to have a pretty outstanding in-region record.  A win helps anyone in the league with NCAA ambitions.  I certainly would peg Olivet as a heavy underdog, though it looks like they've played better the last couple weeks.

I have to be in the area tonight so I may drop in on this one just for curiosities sake.   The Bethany I saw 4 years ago played a pretty frenetic style, similar to John Carroll...sometimes those can be both fun and excruciating games to watch.

Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 15, 2011, 11:32:32 AM
I find it somewhat surprising that Calvin would select someone with a PC(USA) background.

(and FWIW, Whitworth has football)

FWIW = for "whit" it's "worth". HA!

Does this get me included in the funny Calvin crowd?

Quote from: HopeConvert on December 15, 2011, 01:38:04 PM

Quote from: Dark Knight on December 15, 2011, 01:32:33 PM

Quote from: Dark Knight on December 15, 2011, 01:26:11 PM

Quote from: HopeConvert on December 15, 2011, 01:15:27 PM

Quote from: Dark Knight on December 14, 2011, 05:05:01 PM
It looks as though Hope just escaped a bad mistake by the skin of their teeth. Selecting the right person as the next college president makes a huge difference to a college. You need someone with wisdom, grace, and especially, good judgment. But, sometimes you just don't know a person until he is really tested.

Hope had one candidate remaining for the next college president, a candidate everyone was enthusiastic about. However, that candidate revealed in the 11th hour his very bad judgment by withdrawing his name from Hope's search when Calvin selected him as their sole candidate for president.

Phew! Saved!

I'm not sure how to interpret this. Are you saying you're glad for Hope? Are you saying you're upset for Calvin? Are you questioning his integrity?

Both Hope's and Calvin's Presidents retired the same years. Both schools scheduled their searches coterminously. Both schools alighted upon the same candidate. Both schools interviewed this candidate. Both schools liked this candidate, which speaks to his abilities and character. The candidate, after interviewing at both schools, had a difficult choice to make. We both read the same Bible. We both pray to the same God. The prayers of both could not be answered. The prayers of neither have been answered fully. But I can see no reason in any of this to accuse the candidate of a lack of integrity. He went to both schools in good faith, genuinely interested in being president at either, but unable to be president at both. He had to make a choice and made it. That's not his problem nor an exercise of "very bad judgment." In fact, he was in a position where he couldn't make a bad choice.

For the humor-impaired: 

Pardon me. "Differently humored."

It wasn't funny because it didn't refer to anything. I can assure you no one I know at Hope thinks they dodged a bullet.

I didn't think you could read it any other way than "Whew. We didn't want anyone that would be interested in Calvin, now would we!?!". I thought the  was implied.

Quote from: HopeConvert on December 15, 2011, 01:38:04 PM
It wasn't funny because it didn't refer to anything. I can assure you no one I know at Hope thinks they dodged a bullet.

Universal principle of comedy:  jokes just aren't funny after you explain them, that's why I always refuse.  We could continue down this route but I suppose that would make it even less funny to all involved.  Maybe we should just assume that it was a lighthearted tongue-in-cheek attempt to rib Hope and say "we got our guy", I'm sure no offense meant! 

So, um, how 'bout that Olivet game tonight, any thoughts anyone?   

Quote from: sac on December 15, 2011, 02:01:59 PM
Todays game:

Bethany at Olivet --- pretty odd match-up, a mid-week non-conference game involving lots of travel in the middle of exam season.  Also odd because the MIAA just doesn't see too many President's Athletic Conference teams on the schedules.

Actually, both Olivet and Bethany had exams last week and were done with them on Saturday the 10th. Bethany was here for a practice this afternoon. They made the 6-hour drive last night and stayed the night in Lansing. Their assistant coach told me that they're driving home tonight.

Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 15, 2011, 11:32:32 AM
I find it somewhat surprising that Calvin would select someone with a PC(USA) background.

(and FWIW, Whitworth has football)

Why would you be surprised?  There is not much difference politically/theologically between the PCUSA and the CRC.

Quote from: arena on December 15, 2011, 04:11:52 PM

Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 15, 2011, 11:32:32 AM
I find it somewhat surprising that Calvin would select someone with a PC(USA) background.

(and FWIW, Whitworth has football)

Why would you be surprised?  There is not much difference politically/theologically between the PCUSA and the CRC.

A Calvin professor would not be permitted to be a member of/attend a PCUSA church and retain his/her teaching post, so there must be some differences (at least that's my understanding, that professors must either be CRC or another denomination that's in 'ecclesiastical fellowship' with the CRC, which PCUSA is not).

I'm a 'non-denom' guy myself, so I'm definitely not implying that strict denomination borders ever be drawn, just saying I was somewhat surprised.

Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 15, 2011, 04:18:05 PM

Quote from: arena on December 15, 2011, 04:11:52 PM

Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 15, 2011, 11:32:32 AM
I find it somewhat surprising that Calvin would select someone with a PC(USA) background.

(and FWIW, Whitworth has football)

Why would you be surprised?  There is not much difference politically/theologically between the PCUSA and the CRC.

A Calvin professor would not be permitted to be a member of/attend a PCUSA church and retain his/her teaching post, so there must be some differences (at least that's my understanding, that professors must either be CRC or another denomination that's in 'ecclesiastical fellowship' with the CRC, which PCUSA is not).

I'm a 'non-denom' guy myself, so I'm definitely not implying that strict denomination borders ever be drawn, just saying I was somewhat surprised.

I believe the EPC is in "ecclesiastical fellowship" with the CRC, the PCUSA is not.