Including attrition SJU could be up in the 50s this coming year

I don't get involved in these Johnnie-Tommie spats, I'm a Johnnie fan but not a Johnnie.

But, you know, if the Johnnies had "too many" out of state guys, the Tommies would crap on them for not being able to recruit in-state.   And if they had "too many" Minnesota guys, the Tommies would dump on them for not being able to attract kids from out of state.  Just the way the game is played, right?

I wonder how each football dept's outstate/instate ratio compares to each institution's ratio...

It's not the Wisconsin players that make your team look out of whack. From eyeballing the list it's the mob of Chicago guys that is the issue. All these St Glenn recruiting trips to the Windy City and surrounds are what has warped the Tommie roster.

All this was fine, of course, when recruiting outstate was the thing that would put UST over the top (oops).

Quote from: jamtoTommie on May 22, 2017, 09:30:15 AM
UST is not quite as close to Wisconsin as Concordia is to North Dakota, but what if you adjusted UST's numbers for the Sconnie kids, which is where a strong portion of out of staters come from?

I would venture (without evidence at this time) that many of the top programs in the country have a higher % of out of state students than others, owing both to recruiting and to attracting interest and talent from elsewhere.

This next year's UST class, however, is significantly more in-state (and Wisconsin) focused than some recent classes.

Quote from: OzJohnnie on May 21, 2017, 06:47:29 PM
From last year's roster. This should be embarrassing for you, PurpleReign. Not only was your troll amateur. Not only did it reak of arrogance. But it was entirely wrong in its premise. You should demand a refund from UST because they let you down on critical thinking skills. Let me know if you need help typing up a letter.

         Outstate  Roster  % outstate
Ust.         53       120         44%
Sju.         40       181         22%
Con.        44       126         35%
Car          48       66           73%* (reflects the school's enrollment profile, not football dept policy?)


EDIT:  I added roster count and outstate % because I thought it would have to be good.  And it was.  When it comes to which team is maintaining relationships in Minnesota, it's not even a contest.  And poetic that UST recruits outstaters at double the rate of SJU.

The only other team that I would guess comes close (or maybe even wins) is CON, who probably have about half their roster filled with guys from ND, maybe even SD.  Then add a few random other states (from further west I would guess) and CON could be the outstate king of the MIAC.

EDIT II:  I went and had a look at CON just to see if being a stone's throw away from ND would put their outstate numbers over the top.  The result?  Nope.  Even with all the ND kids Con still concedes UST the "I Hate Minnesota" trophy.

EDIT III: Carleton, upon a moment's reflection, was the obvious top candidate for MIAC outstate participation.  I think this reflects the profile the school maintains as opposed to football department policy.

Someone else can tackle BU.  I'm tired of counting.

Define "out of whack" because I'm not seeing any hard evidence to suggest that a university which strives (whether it is achieved is up for debate) to have a national profile recruiting football players from out of state (Chicago or wherever) is problematic or bad or something to be frowned upon, aside from the general perspective that everything St Thomas does is bad and wrong.

I simply asked the question as a factual one to compare apples to apples if Concordia's out of state numbers are adjusted for having a significant number of players from North Dakota.

I did take a very quick look at the roster and of the 100+ kids on team in 2016, 19 of them were from Wisconsin, so not a huge number. The incoming recruiting class is more local with the majority of out of staters from Wisconsin and only a few from Chicago-land and other areas. As an out-of-state attendee at St Thomas, I have no reason to believe that bringing kids in from outside should be considered a bad thing.

Quote from: OzJohnnie on May 22, 2017, 04:58:30 PM
It's not the Wisconsin players that make your team look out of whack. From eyeballing the list it's the mob of Chicago guys that is the issue. All these St Glenn recruiting trips to the Windy City and surrounds are what has warped the Tommie roster.

All this was fine, of course, when recruiting outstate was the thing that would put UST over the top (oops).

Quote from: jamtoTommie on May 22, 2017, 09:30:15 AM
UST is not quite as close to Wisconsin as Concordia is to North Dakota, but what if you adjusted UST's numbers for the Sconnie kids, which is where a strong portion of out of staters come from?

I would venture (without evidence at this time) that many of the top programs in the country have a higher % of out of state students than others, owing both to recruiting and to attracting interest and talent from elsewhere.

This next year's UST class, however, is significantly more in-state (and Wisconsin) focused than some recent classes.

Quote from: jamtoTommie on May 22, 2017, 05:22:03 PM
1.) the general perspective that everything St Thomas does is bad and wrong.

2.)From eyeballing the list it's the mob of Chicago guys that is the issue. All these St Glenn recruiting trips to the Windy City and surrounds are what has warped the Tommie roster.

jamtoTommie, I totally agree with you on point #1 
Point #2, there are 20 Illinois kids on the 2016 roster, many from the Greater Chicagoland area. So the question is 19 from Wisconsin & 20 from Illinois out of whack? That judgment is left to the individual interpreting the data.

Quote from: jamtoTommie on May 22, 2017, 05:22:03 PM
I did take a very quick look at the roster and of the 100+ kids on team in 2016, 19 of them were from Wisconsin, so not a huge number. The incoming recruiting class is more local with the majority of out of staters from Wisconsin and only a few from Chicago-land and other areas. As an out-of-state attendee at St Thomas, I have no reason to believe that bringing kids in from outside should be considered a bad thing.

Your argument isn't with me.  It's with PurpleReign.  He's the one that thinks an outstate profile is bad.

Quote from: PurpleReign on May 21, 2017, 12:53:28 AM

Quote from: Greggers on May 20, 2017, 02:19:24 PM
What's everyone's thoughts on the increasing amount of out of state players coming to play in the MIAC? Good for the MIAC?

For me, I hope the Tommies stick to their strong base of Minnesota kids that have gotten them to where they are.  If other teams need to go to California, Texas, and Florida to compete in the MIAC, then I guess their relationships in the state of Minnesota are not very strong.

Quote from: OzJohnnie on May 22, 2017, 04:58:30 PM
It's not the Wisconsin players that make your team look out of whack. From eyeballing the list it's the mob of Chicago guys that is the issue.

Chicago Tommie would love this.

Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on May 22, 2017, 08:11:48 PM

Quote from: OzJohnnie on May 22, 2017, 04:58:30 PM
It's not the Wisconsin players that make your team look out of whack. From eyeballing the list it's the mob of Chicago guys that is the issue.

Chicago Tommie would love this.

This is what I always envision when thinking of a mob of Chicago guys.

Quote from: jim comet on May 22, 2017, 11:21:12 AM
UST's 2017 class at this point shows 41 MN kids, 9 from WI, and 7 from other states. These are high school kids. I have no clue if and how many transfers there may be.

What is very interesting is I don't think they got any kids from Illinois this time around (I admittedly need to confirm this, haven't gone through full list of recruits).  A head-scratcher for sure, particularly given how Lepsche coached at St Francis for a year (and flamed out, I know) and he'd previously been the main recruiter in Chicago.  The Loyola pipeline had been very strong, and even a few kids from the DuPage Valley and the rest of the Catholic league as well. 

There was a few incoming from Illinois. I think 3 or so. Don't recall for sure.

Quote from: wm4 on May 23, 2017, 12:24:12 PM

Quote from: jim comet on May 22, 2017, 11:21:12 AM
UST's 2017 class at this point shows 41 MN kids, 9 from WI, and 7 from other states. These are high school kids. I have no clue if and how many transfers there may be.

What is very interesting is I don't think they got any kids from Illinois this time around (I admittedly need to confirm this, haven't gone through full list of recruits).  A head-scratcher for sure, particularly given how Lepsche coached at St Francis for a year (and flamed out, I know) and he'd previously been the main recruiter in Chicago.  The Loyola pipeline had been very strong, and even a few kids from the DuPage Valley and the rest of the Catholic league as well.

A concert is a frickin' disgrace. Pure evil. Had to be said. We're not all robots here.

Quote from: OzJohnnie on May 23, 2017, 05:41:50 PM
A concert is a frickin' disgrace. Pure evil. Had to be said. We're not all robots here.

Knowing the primary audience is teen & pre-teen girls is particularly cowardly

I used to think it was a joke that Augsburg was a junior college.  http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/052417aaa.html

Quote from: AO on May 24, 2017, 10:48:08 AM
I used to think it was a joke that Augsburg was a junior college.  http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/052417aaa.html

LOL, I saw that this morning.