Quote from: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 05:52:55 PM
Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong. If so, I'm teachable.

I think your thinking makes sense. I also think that those few ballots that put UTD (just for the sake of needing an example) in the top 25, are being biased voters.
Extending voting beyond 25, just gives more room for ballots to get "smoothed out", so the effect of a few biased voters gets lessened.

But then again, maybe having a few voters put a team in the top 25 that most other voters wouldn't even put in the top 30--maybe that's the point of having a balanced panel of voters--you get different viewpoints.

You could easily argue that it's the polls that bring extra scrutiny to Transylvania, Scranton, Bethel, etc. :-)

So I looked at a strength-of-schedule calculator last night and it turns out Hope's schedule not only looks really good (#30 among teams), it's 20-something spots better than DePauw's. The results versus regionally ranked opponents could still be an issue, but I was wrong on Hope's overall SOS, at least for now.

Mea culpa. I'm a doofus.

Hope knows what it's doing when it comes to scheduling, though I'd still love to have them come to the D3hoops.com classic.

Quote from: gordonmann on January 22, 2020, 10:40:11 AM
So I looked at a strength-of-schedule calculator last night and it turns out Hope's schedule not only looks really good (#30 among teams), it's 20-something spots better than DePauw's. The results versus regionally ranked opponents could still be an issue, but I was wrong on Hope's overall SOS, at least for now.

Mea culpa. I'm a doofus.

Hope knows what it's doing when it comes to scheduling, though I'd still love to have them come to the D3hoops.com classic.

No need to call yourself a doofus.

Save that for others.

Quote from: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 08:26:24 PM

QuoteAny chance that Transylvania could be a team a quadrant could be build around?

I'm not aware of any reason why they couldn't. That first GL Regional Ranking is going to be exciting, eh?

Agree, the separation between Hope and DePauw at the top and Baldwin Wallace and Transylvania after seems to be slim margins. Still work to be done, but it will be interesting to see playout. 

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For those of you clearly new to all this, I selfishly suggest you tune into Hoopsville (Sunday and Thursday nights live; On Demand and Podcasts available after going off air). We talk about this stuff often especially as we get later in the season. In fact, our Marathon show is coming up next week and a staple of that show is talking to both committee chairs. But as we get later in the season, we dive into the criteria and such.

I suggest ignoring Massey and even the Top 25 if you want to talk about at-large selections, hosting, and such. It is all about the NCAA criteria (as it is for all NCAA championships) and those don't include Massey, RPI, Top 25s, etc.

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QuoteNo need to call yourself a doofus.

Save that for others.

+K

Quote from: gordonmann on January 22, 2020, 10:40:11 AM
So I looked at a strength-of-schedule calculator last night and it turns out Hope's schedule not only looks really good (#30 among teams), it's 20-something spots better than DePauw's. The results versus regionally ranked opponents could still be an issue, but I was wrong on Hope's overall SOS, at least for now.

Mea culpa. I'm a doofus.

Hope knows what it's doing when it comes to scheduling, though I'd still love to have them come to the D3hoops.com classic.

Maybe we were more aligned than it seemed.  I do agree with you that Hope could still upgrade the noncon schedule a bit more.

I don't know the details but it's my understanding that Hope's Florida holiday tournament is/was supported by their Devos benefactors (former owner of the Orlando Magic, explaining the tournament location at a Magic practice facility).  Might be a complication for scheduling the Classic though I believe the men and women alternate years in Florida.

Quote from: Roundball999 on January 22, 2020, 01:34:17 PM

Quote from: gordonmann on January 22, 2020, 10:40:11 AM
So I looked at a strength-of-schedule calculator last night and it turns out Hope's schedule not only looks really good (#30 among teams), it's 20-something spots better than DePauw's. The results versus regionally ranked opponents could still be an issue, but I was wrong on Hope's overall SOS, at least for now.

Mea culpa. I'm a doofus.

Hope knows what it's doing when it comes to scheduling, though I'd still love to have them come to the D3hoops.com classic.

Maybe we were more aligned than it seemed.  I do agree with you that Hope could still upgrade the noncon schedule a bit more.

I don't know the details but it's my understanding that Hope's Florida holiday tournament is/was supported by their Devos benefactors (former owner of the Orlando Magic, explaining the tournament location at a Magic practice facility).  Might be a complication for scheduling the Classic though I believe the men and women alternate years in Florida.

Actually for the last 3 or maybe 4 times that Hope has done the RDV Classic in Orlando, it's been both Hope men and women at the same tournament, playing women/men double headers on 2 nights.

I knew about the DeVos connection. Is there a large number of Hope alums in Florida?

Quote from: gordonmann on January 22, 2020, 05:51:12 PM
I knew about the DeVos connection. Is there a large number of Hope alums in Florida?

Sometimes seems that Hope has a lot of alumni everywhere, I find when you wear a Hope Basketball t shirt they come out of the woodwork

But I don't think it's a Florida concentration as much as the DeVos connection combined with an opportunity for a nice warm weather diversion during the middle of the incessant snow season on the eastern shores of Lake Michigan.

Simpson makes me look good; takes down Wartburg.

How They Fared (So Far)

A little jetlagged after switching to California time, but here it is ...

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	619	Tufts	17-0	def. Babson, 73-51; 01/25 at Bates
#2	594	Bowdoin	17-0	01/25 at Colby
#3	586	Hope	17-0	def. Alma, 71-33; 01/25 at Olivet
#4	530	DePauw	16-1	01/25 at Kenyon
#5	515	Amherst	16-2	def. Williams, 63-40; 01/25 at Hamilton
#6	497	UW-Whitewater	16-1	def. UW-Platteville, 67-52; 01/25 at UW-Oshkosh
#7	455	Wartburg	14-3	LOST at Simpson, 62-66; 01/25 at Nebraska Wesleyan
#8	408	Loras	16-1	won at Coe, 72-54; 01/25 vs. Luther
#9	383	Transylvania	15-1	won at Mount St. Joseph, 79-57; 01/25 vs. Anderson
#10	378	Bethel	16-0	won at Carleton, 67-42; 01/25 at Hamline
#11	363	Baldwin Wallace	14-2	LOST at T#35 John Carroll, 53-59; 01/25 vs. Marietta
#12	323	Whitman	14-2	won at Whitworth, 84-79; 01/25 vs. Linfield
#13	309	Trinity (Texas)	13-2	01/24 vs. Texas Lutheran; 01/25 vs. Southwestern
#14	296	Mary Hardin-Baylor	13-3	01/25 at Concordia (Texas)
#15	229	Scranton	13-3	def. Susquehanna, 59-46; 01/25 vs. Juniata
#16	209	Chicago	11-3	01/24 vs. #39 New York University; 01/26 vs. T#37 Brandeis
#17	206	Augsburg	13-3	won at St. Olaf, 76-49; 01/25 vs. Concordia-Moorhead
#18	188	St. Thomas	13-3	def. Macalester, 63-38; 01/25 vs. St. Catherine
#19	173	Oglethorpe	17-1	01/24 at Millsaps; 01/26 at Birmingham-Southern
#20	156	George Fox	11-4	01/24 vs. Puget Sound; 01/25 at Lewis and Clark
#21	136	UW-La Crosse	13-4	def. UW-Stout, 64-45; 01/25 vs. UW-Eau Claire
#22	127	Gettysburg	15-1	def. Johns Hopkins, 52-44; 01/25 at Muhlenberg
#23	114	Gustavus Adolphus	13-3	def. Hamline, 76-65; 01/25 at Macalester
#24	78	Austin	14-2	won at University of Dallas, 78-53; 01/25 vs. University of Dallas
#25	50	Emory	12-2	01/24 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 01/26 vs. Case Western Reserve

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Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	43	Albright	16-1	def. Alvernia, 74-37; 01/25 at Hood
#27	42	Texas-Dallas	12-4	01/23 at Sul Ross State; 01/25 at Howard Payne
#28	20	DeSales	12-4	won at Stevens, 74-68; 01/25 vs. T#29 Misericordia
T#29	15	Cortland	13-1	def. SUNY New Paltz, 61-55; 01/24 at Plattsburgh State; 01/25 at SUNY Potsdam
T#29	15	Misericordia	15-1	def. Eastern, 74-59; 01/25 at #28 DeSales
#31	14	Illinois Wesleyan	12-5	LOST to Wheaton (Ill.), 59-62
#32	11	Pacific	12-3	01/24 vs. Willamette; 01/25 at Pacific Lutheran
#33	9	East Texas Baptist	11-4	01/23 at Louisiana College; 01/25 at Belhaven
#34	7	Messiah	13-4	won at Lebanon Valley, 80-48; 01/25 at Alvernia
T#35	6	John Carroll	14-2	def. #11 Baldwin Wallace, 59-53; 01/25 at Muskingum
T#35	6	Widener	14-3	def. Arcadia, 54-44; 01/25 at Lycoming
T#37	4	Brandeis	11-3	01/24 at Washington U.; 01/26 at #16 Chicago
T#37	4	Catholic	13-3	def. Elizabethtown, 87-70; 01/25 at Susquehanna
#39	3	New York University	12-2	01/24 at #16 Chicago; 01/26 at Washington U.
T#40	1	Albion	14-3	won at Calvin, 77-69; 01/25 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.)
T#40	1	Trine	13-4	won at Adrian, 54-39; 01/25 at Kalamazoo

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Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	William Peace	15-2	def. Methodist, 75-58; 01/25 at N.C. Wesleyan; 01/26 at Greensboro

(Note: After this week, William Peace will have to get votes to appear in this report.)

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How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	619	Tufts	18-0	def. Babson, 73-51; won at Bates, 65-49
#2	594	Bowdoin	18-0	won at Colby, 50-39
#3	586	Hope	18-0	def. Alma, 71-33; won at Olivet, 76-27
#4	530	DePauw	17-1	won at Kenyon, 59-42
#5	515	Amherst	16-3	def. Williams, 63-40; LOST at Hamilton, 55-56
#6	497	UW-Whitewater	16-2	def. UW-Platteville, 67-52; LOST at UW-Oshkosh, 51-62
#7	455	Wartburg	15-3	LOST at Simpson, 62-66; won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 107-46
#8	408	Loras	16-2	won at Coe, 72-54; LOST to Luther, 66-76
#9	383	Transylvania	16-1	won at Mount St. Joseph, 79-57; def. Anderson, 71-38
#10	378	Bethel	17-0	won at Carleton, 67-42; won at Hamline, 79-75
#11	363	Baldwin Wallace	15-2	LOST at T#35 John Carroll, 53-59; def. Marietta, 89-60
#12	323	Whitman	15-2	won at Whitworth, 84-79; def. Linfield, 82-63
#13	309	Trinity (Texas)	15-2	def. Texas Lutheran, 82-57; def. Southwestern, 70-38
#14	296	Mary Hardin-Baylor	14-3	won at Concordia (Texas), 62-48
#15	229	Scranton	14-3	def. Susquehanna, 59-46; def. Juniata, 73-51
#16	209	Chicago	13-3	def. #39 New York University, 82-71; def. T#37 Brandeis, 68-60 OT
#17	206	Augsburg	14-3	won at St. Olaf, 76-49; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 82-62
#18	188	St. Thomas	14-3	def. Macalester, 63-38; def. St. Catherine, 67-49
#19	173	Oglethorpe	19-1	won at Millsaps, 56-40; won at Birmingham-Southern, 84-43
#20	156	George Fox	13-4	def. Puget Sound, 59-58; won at Lewis and Clark, 63-40
#21	136	UW-La Crosse	14-4	def. UW-Stout, 64-45; def. UW-Eau Claire, 60-39
#22	127	Gettysburg	16-1	def. Johns Hopkins, 52-44; won at Muhlenberg, 58-49
#23	114	Gustavus Adolphus	14-3	def. Hamline, 76-65; won at Macalester, 82-65
#24	78	Austin	15-2	won at University of Dallas, 78-53; def. University of Dallas, 84-40
#25	50	Emory	14-2	def. Carnegie Mellon, 55-43; def. Case Western Reserve, 74-50

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Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	43	Albright	17-1	def. Alvernia, 74-37; won at Hood, 74-39
#27	42	Texas-Dallas	14-4	won at Sul Ross State, 89-44; won at Howard Payne, 78-54
#28	20	DeSales	13-4	won at Stevens, 74-68; def. T#29 Misericordia, 75-46
T#29	15	Cortland	15-1	def. SUNY New Paltz, 61-55; won at Plattsburgh State, 56-50; won at SUNY Potsdam, 67-46
T#29	15	Misericordia	15-2	def. Eastern, 74-59; LOST at #28 DeSales, 46-75
#31	14	Illinois Wesleyan	12-5	LOST to Wheaton (Ill.), 59-62
#32	11	Pacific	13-4	def. Willamette, 62-58; LOST at Pacific Lutheran, 58-61
#33	9	East Texas Baptist	13-4	won at Louisiana College, 81-43; won at Belhaven, 79-61
#34	7	Messiah	14-4	won at Lebanon Valley, 80-48; won at Alvernia, 72-45
T#35	6	John Carroll	15-2	def. #11 Baldwin Wallace, 59-53; won at Muskingum, 73-47
T#35	6	Widener	15-3	def. Arcadia, 54-44; won at Lycoming, 84-71
T#37	4	Brandeis	12-4	won at Washington U., 86-81; LOST at #16 Chicago, 60-68 OT
T#37	4	Catholic	14-3	def. Elizabethtown, 87-70; won at Susquehanna, 64-52
#39	3	New York University	13-3	LOST at #16 Chicago, 71-82; won at Washington U., 81-77
T#40	1	Albion	15-3	won at Calvin, 77-69; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 89-41
T#40	1	Trine	14-4	won at Adrian, 54-39; won at Kalamazoo, 66-39

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Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	William Peace	17-2	def. Methodist, 75-58; won at N.C. Wesleyan, 77-71; won at Greensboro, 66-63

When it comes to the game of basketball, we love celebrating not only the student-athletes in Division III, but also those who help carry the game forward sometimes outside of the spotlight.

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