Quote from: WUPHF on March 01, 2022, 10:44:45 AM
They were either $5 or $7 in St. Louis for the Women's Soccer tournament.

I have paid to attend other Division III games, but the most I have ever paid during the regular season is $7.

I am sure a lot of institutions subsidize the cost for students, but at some point, the price elasticity is such that people will choose to watch the stream instead.  $15 still seems high relative to the market and the otherwise low cost of regular season games.

I paid $5 at the U of C's Stagg Field to attend the D3 men's soccer tourney sectional semifinal game between North Park and St. Olaf this past November. That's what I thought NPU also charged the previous weekend (I didn't pay, of course, since I was working the games as the broadcaster) and it's what I recall paying in the past for other D3 tournaments (men's soccer, men's basketball, and baseball) tourneys I've attended at various schools for as far back as I can remember. I kinda figured that it was the fixed rate agreed upon at some NCAA convention a long time ago.

Quote from: npbaseball40 on March 01, 2022, 02:05:22 PM
Our league (the CCIW) sets league tournament ticket prices and then the NCAA sets regional (and beyond) playoff ticket prices for the host institution. Every cent goes back to the CCIW/NCAA at the conclusion of the respective tournament - ticket sales, NCAA merch, etc.

Hosts "bid" what the cost will be to host and the NCAA reimburses them, but nothing more. At the Division III level, it's an honor and an advantage to host but there is certainly no monetary gain from it.

Thanks.  I understood this to be the case.

The NCAA does tightly control everything.  Unsold t-shirts, for example, have to be returned, if I remember correctly.

I guess what I was unsure of was whether the host site was provided a minimum and then allowed to add to the cost, as Pat Coleman mentioned, or if that was set price.

I am surprised it is not a set price for all locations (excluding subsidies), but yeah, $15 is a lot more than I can ever remember paying for a postseason game.

I'll be happy to pay $15, but I was surprised by that number.

Yeah - to confirm - ticket prices are set by the NCAA. Even though it is at a school, it is considered an NCAA event and the NCAA is in charge of everything, not the school.

Information about recommended ticket prices is no longer part of the NCAA pre-championship manual.

I've been told the NCAA sets the floor on ticket prices. Schools can charge more if they want.
CNU is charging $15 for reserved seating (which is the floor, I believe). Not sure about general admission. Students are free and CNU pays the bill

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2022, 02:37:00 PM

Head-to-head, Swat still has a 2-1 advantage.

Swat was 5-1 vRRO; Hopkins was 2-3. Swat's lone loss in that category was Hopkins; one of Hopkins wins was to Swat. Otherwise 3-0 for Swat and 1-1 for Hopkins.

SOS was nearly identical: Swat .545 and Hopkins .543.

Because of the head-to-head and vRRO the advantage goes to Swat.

As a result, Swat finished #1 in Region 5 and Hopkins #2.
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Thank you for the reply with the numbers and ranking logic. It is what it is but in this case the numbers don't tell the story (IMO). I totally get the Swat beat JHU twice thing, but not all RRO are created equal.  JHU's other RRO loss was to the #4 team in the country on their home floor, while Swat's other RRO wins are against teams not ranked and one receiving votes.  So the RRO w/l value must not factor in any kind of weighting for the RRO, just the fact that it is a RRO.  Centennial Conference fan so I watch and follow the teams in the league closely.  Swat had plenty of nights where they looked like a top seed, but also had plenty of nights where they looked far less than that (see home loss to Widener and home beating they took from Muhlenberg among others).  JHU played like a top seed every night (even in their 3 losses).  Both end up with really tough draws in the opening weekend, so it will be interesting to see how they make out. 

FWIW - I plugged in Ken Massey's analytics to the first round bracket:

Oshkosh Bracket
Biggest predicted margin - 29.5 pts Blackburn @ Oshkosh
Closest Games - Chapman @ Mary Hardin-Baylor -4.5 pts & Calvin vs. St. John's MN -4.5 pts
Smallest combined Massey rating - Calvin (29) vs. St. John's MN (17)

Emory Bracket
Biggest predicted margin - 17.5 pts Franklin @ Illinois Wesleyan
Closest Game = Berry vs. Wabash -5.5 pts
Smallest combined Massey rating - Heidelberg (27) vs. UW- Lacrosse (7)


Marietta Bracket
Biggest Predicted Margin - 33.5 pts Medaille @ Marietta
Closest Game - Susquehanna vs Rowan -5.5 pts & Yeshiva vs Johns Hopkins -5.5pts
Smallest combined Massey rating - Yeshiva (35) vs. Johns Hopkins (11) 

Randolph Macon Bracket
Biggest Predicted Margin - 33.5 pts Mitchell @ Randolph-Macon
Closest Game [in the entire round] Nichols vs. Rensselaer -0.5 pts
Smallest combined Massey rating - Emerson(65) vs. Mass-Dartmouth (23)

Strongest Bracket - WI-Oshkosh - average Massey of 47
Weakest Bracket -  Randolph-Macon - average Massey of 81

Quote from: thebear on March 01, 2022, 06:38:29 PM
FWIW - I plugged in Ken Massey's analytics to the first round bracket:

Oshkosh Bracket
Biggest predicted margin - 29.5 pts Blackburn @ Oshkosh
Closest Games - Chapman @ Mary Hardin-Baylor -4.5 pts & Calvin vs. St. John's MN -4.5 pts
Smallest combined Massey rating - Calvin (29) vs. St. John's MN (17)

Emory Bracket
Biggest predicted margin - 17.5 pts Franklin @ Illinois Wesleyan
Closest Game = Berry vs. Wabash -5.5 pts
Smallest combined Massey rating - Heidelberg (27) vs. UW- Lacrosse (7)


Marietta Bracket
Biggest Predicted Margin - 33.5 pts Medaille @ Marietta
Closest Game - Susquehanna vs Rowan -5.5 pts & Yeshiva vs Johns Hopkins -5.5pts
Smallest combined Massey rating - Yeshiva (35) vs. Johns Hopkins (11) 

Randolph Macon Bracket
Biggest Predicted Margin - 33.5 pts Mitchell @ Randolph-Macon
Closest Game [in the entire round] Nichols vs. Rensselaer -0.5 pts
Smallest combined Massey rating - Emerson(65) vs. Mass-Dartmouth (23)

Strongest Bracket - WI-Oshkosh - average Massey of 47
Weakest Bracket -  Randolph-Macon - average Massey of 81

Good stuff - but a word of caution if you are using Massey's games listing for Friday.  In that format, he has designated a home team in each game and so the first set of games in each pod that are actually neutral court, are showing as a home game for one team. 

Example:

In his games listing he shows Hope @ Wheaton with this predicted score
Hope 73
Wheaton 79

If you use the matchup tool to correctly compare them as a neutral site game, he predicts this score:
Hope 73
Wheaton 77

Thanks for the catch.

So adjusting for the teams playing "neutral" site games:

Oshkosh Bracket
Closest Game
Calvin vs. St. Johns -3.0 @ WI-Platteville

Emory Bracket
Berry vs. Wabash -4.0 points, @ Emory - although Berry has a very short trip, Wabash a 530 mile bus ride

Marietta Bracket
Yeshiva vs. Johns Hopkins -3.0 @Stockton

Randolph Macon Bracket
Nichols vs. Rensselaer -3.0 @ Wesleyan

Personally, I have never seen the DIII Basketball Tournament paraphernalia (t-shirts and hats) available to order on-line.  It looks exclusive to be sold to people who personally attend the DIII Tournament games.

I think the NCAA could make a little more money if some of the tournament merchandise could be bought on-line, especially this season where fans who otherwise might go to the early round games may elect to stay home and watch them on streaming video either to save some money, or to have the option to eat snacks and beverages while watching.

4:15 PM Eastern update-- CWRU men's basketball coach Todd McGuiness referred me to a link that took me to fanatics.com, and I have taken a look at that link and shopncaasports.com before, but those sites are very Division 1 centric, and if I wanted merchandise from the upcoming Division 1 men's and women's basketball tournaments, those would be very easy to purchase on line for the reason that Division 1 caters to the general public's entertainment needs as their primary purpose.  I have never found merchandise from the DII and DIII tournaments available for on-line purchase, but I have found plenty from DI tournaments.

A lot of leftover NCAA clothes goes out to a wholesaler that then sells it to Marshalls / TJ Maxx. I am not sure why they don't also do an online store when that is easier to do than ever before.

Quote from: deiscanton on March 02, 2022, 02:23:42 PM
Personally, I have never seen the DIII Basketball Tournament paraphernalia (t-shirts and hats) available to order on-line.  It looks exclusive to be sold to people who personally attend the DIII Tournament games.

I think the NCAA could make a little more money if some of the tournament merchandise could be bought on-line, especially this season where fans who otherwise might go to the early round games may elect to stay home and watch them on streaming video either to save some money, or to have the option to eat snacks and beverages while watching.

4:15 PM Eastern update-- CWRU men's basketball coach Todd McGuiness referred me to a link that took me to fanatics.com, and I have taken a look at that link and shopncaasports.com before, but those sites are very Division 1 centric, and if I wanted merchandise from the upcoming Division 1 men's and women's basketball tournaments, those would be very easy to purchase on line for the reason that Division 1 caters to the general public's entertainment needs as their primary purpose.  I have never found merchandise from the DII and DIII tournaments available for on-line purchase, but I have found plenty from DI tournaments.

Just had a browse of the list of schools at the shopncaasports.com site which seems to be part of Fanatics so they have the same things... I don't think they put any effort/research on the small colleges. Looked at a few schools and it's pretty much all the same generic t-shirts with a logo or little items with the school name type of stuff. They have no Franklin College but do have Franklin University and their logo... a school that is mostly an online school with no athletics. Looked a little more, only 1 out of 10 HCAC schools (Hanover) were even listed.

It's hard to get decent gear from any college, even the big ones.

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 02, 2022, 09:11:50 PM

Quote from: deiscanton on March 02, 2022, 02:23:42 PM
Personally, I have never seen the DIII Basketball Tournament paraphernalia (t-shirts and hats) available to order on-line.  It looks exclusive to be sold to people who personally attend the DIII Tournament games.

I think the NCAA could make a little more money if some of the tournament merchandise could be bought on-line, especially this season where fans who otherwise might go to the early round games may elect to stay home and watch them on streaming video either to save some money, or to have the option to eat snacks and beverages while watching.

4:15 PM Eastern update-- CWRU men's basketball coach Todd McGuiness referred me to a link that took me to fanatics.com, and I have taken a look at that link and shopncaasports.com before, but those sites are very Division 1 centric, and if I wanted merchandise from the upcoming Division 1 men's and women's basketball tournaments, those would be very easy to purchase on line for the reason that Division 1 caters to the general public's entertainment needs as their primary purpose.  I have never found merchandise from the DII and DIII tournaments available for on-line purchase, but I have found plenty from DI tournaments.

Just had a browse of the list of schools at the shopncaasports.com site which seems to be part of Fanatics so they have the same things... I don't think they put any effort/research on the small colleges. Looked at a few schools and it's pretty much all the same generic t-shirts with a logo or little items with the school name type of stuff. They have no Franklin College but do have Franklin University and their logo... a school that is mostly an online school with no athletics. Looked a little more, only 1 out of 10 HCAC schools (Hanover) were even listed.

A lot of schools use bkstr.com. I believe the schools have a little more input as to what goes on with the site. CNU named the store The Captains Locker and the webpage reflects that in the address when you go to that page.  I know the topic of discussion was official NCAA sales. But I wandered off topic a bit.

I did find this for you...

https://www.bkstr.com/franklinstore/home

I have seen several schools offering a limited number of free student tickets to the tournament games.