Quote from: cruman32 on March 11, 2024, 07:38:09 PMDon't know the exact dates but the first 4 games are:
1.  Bethel College-Mickenzie Tennessee- NAIA-Quarter finalist 2023-There
2.  Westgate Christian Univ.-Houston, Tx,-NAIA-Here
3.  Whitewater- There
4.  John Melvin- Crowley La.-NAIA-Here

Wow. I wonder when was the last time a D3 team played 3 NAIA games? It can't be very common.

Quote from: cruman32 on March 11, 2024, 07:38:09 PMDon't know the exact dates but the first 4 games are:
1.  Bethel College-Mickenzie Tennessee- NAIA-Quarter finalist 2023-There
2.  Westgate Christian Univ.-Houston, Tx,-NAIA-Here
3.  Whitewater- There
4.  John Melvin- Crowley La.-NAIA-Here

Are you sure some of those aren't opponents for the JV team? I have a hard time believing that they'd schedule three of their four non-conference games against NAIA teams that don't even count towards playoff eligibility. I don't think Westgate and John Melvin even have varsity football.

I just did a little research.

John Melvin is a JUCO/Prep school in Louisiana, and I can't even find enough information on Westgate Christian to determine what it is, but neither of them are listed as having NAIA football programs.

List of NAIA football programs

Quote from: UMHB03 on March 11, 2024, 09:02:46 PM

Quote from: cruman32 on March 11, 2024, 07:38:09 PMDon't know the exact dates but the first 4 games are:
1.  Bethel College-Mickenzie Tennessee- NAIA-Quarter finalist 2023-There
2.  Westgate Christian Univ.-Houston, Tx,-NAIA-Here
3.  Whitewater- There
4.  John Melvin- Crowley La.-NAIA-Here

Are you sure some of those aren't opponents for the JV team? I have a hard time believing that they'd schedule three of their four non-conference games against NAIA teams that don't even count towards playoff eligibility. I don't think Westgate and John Melvin even have varsity football.

Not sure if they are NAIA or what but in the end I am just happy to hear they have 10 games. Last year UW La Crosse played Dakota State (NAIA) and Northern Michigan (D2), they won the WIAC so they didn't have to worry about being at large. Frankly if Bethel is a Top 10 NAIA team again and Whitewater is Whitewater I am happy to have 2 games that should be wins.

Quote from: crufootball on March 11, 2024, 10:17:24 PM

Quote from: UMHB03 on March 11, 2024, 09:02:46 PM

Quote from: cruman32 on March 11, 2024, 07:38:09 PMDon't know the exact dates but the first 4 games are:
1.  Bethel College-Mickenzie Tennessee- NAIA-Quarter finalist 2023-There
2.  Westgate Christian Univ.-Houston, Tx,-NAIA-Here
3.  Whitewater- There
4.  John Melvin- Crowley La.-NAIA-Here

Are you sure some of those aren't opponents for the JV team? I have a hard time believing that they'd schedule three of their four non-conference games against NAIA teams that don't even count towards playoff eligibility. I don't think Westgate and John Melvin even have varsity football.

Not sure if they are NAIA or what but in the end I am just happy to hear they have 10 games. Last year UW La Crosse played Dakota State (NAIA) and Northern Michigan (D2), they won the WIAC so they didn't have to worry about being at large. Frankly if Bethel is a Top 10 NAIA team again and Whitewater is Whitewater I am happy to have 2 games that should be wins.

Yeah, Whitewater will be a good matchup as always, and even though Bethel won't officially count, they will be a nice test for the team. I'm just not sure about the other two. Based on what I've been able to find, and there isn't much, they seem like a couple of programs that we'd see on the JV schedule (ie. Fort Worth Prep Academy, etc.), or as scrimmage opponents. I don't know that John Melvin and Westgate Christian are even accredited 4-year universities. I'd hate for one or both of those schools to close before the season even starts.

Quote from: cruman32 on March 11, 2024, 07:38:09 PMDon't know the exact dates but the first 4 games are:
1.  Bethel College-Mickenzie Tennessee- NAIA-Quarter finalist 2023-There
2.  Westgate Christian Univ.-Houston, Tx,-NAIA-Here
3.  Whitewater- There
4.  John Melvin- Crowley La.-NAIA-Here

Westgate Christian is not a member of the NAIA, and frankly, is hardly a school.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2024, 11:55:41 PM

Quote from: cruman32 on March 11, 2024, 07:38:09 PMDon't know the exact dates but the first 4 games are:
1.  Bethel College-Mickenzie Tennessee- NAIA-Quarter finalist 2023-There
2.  Westgate Christian Univ.-Houston, Tx,-NAIA-Here
3.  Whitewater- There
4.  John Melvin- Crowley La.-NAIA-Here

Westgate Christian is not a member of the NAIA, and frankly, is hardly a school.

I'd never even heard of it, and I live in Houston.

Centenary played John Melvin twice last year and beat them 57-0 and 23-6 as a JV program.  If this schedule is true, I can't imagine UMHB will get anything out of playing them other than getting every healthy player in the program into the game, and the same goes for Westgate Christian, definitely not NAIA, who are playing their first season of football in 2024 (according to their Xitter feed).  From what can be gleaned from the school's website, they are an online-only institution with a "convenient, open-enrollment system [that] allows you to begin your courses right away."
 

If this scheduling is correct:  desperation!

Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 12, 2024, 07:56:07 AMCentenary played John Melvin twice last year and beat them 57-0 and 23-6 as a JV program.  If this schedule is true, I can't imagine UMHB will get anything out of playing them other than getting every healthy player in the program into the game, and the same goes for Westgate Christian, definitely not NAIA, who are playing their first season of football in 2024 (according to their Xitter feed).  From what can be gleaned from the school's website, they are an online-only institution with a "convenient, open-enrollment system [that] allows you to begin your courses right away."
 

Good grief.

Surely there must have been some crossed signals on this, and somehow some scrimmage opponents were listed with the actual opponents. I know it's hard for UMHB to find teams willing to play them, but if Harmon has sunk to scheduling the equivalents of University of Phoenix or DeVry, he would appear to be more clueless in his off the field duties than he has been as a HC. Hopefully this is a false alarm.

Quote from: UMHB03 on March 12, 2024, 10:01:56 AM

Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 12, 2024, 07:56:07 AMCentenary played John Melvin twice last year and beat them 57-0 and 23-6 as a JV program.  If this schedule is true, I can't imagine UMHB will get anything out of playing them other than getting every healthy player in the program into the game, and the same goes for Westgate Christian, definitely not NAIA, who are playing their first season of football in 2024 (according to their Xitter feed).  From what can be gleaned from the school's website, they are an online-only institution with a "convenient, open-enrollment system [that] allows you to begin your courses right away."
 

Good grief.

Surely there must have been some crossed signals on this, and somehow some scrimmage opponents were listed with the actual opponents. I know it's hard for UMHB to find teams willing to play them, but if Harmon has sunk to scheduling the equivalents of University of Phoenix or DeVry, he would appear to be more clueless in his off the field duties than he has been as a HC. Hopefully this is a false alarm.

Ehh, it makes a certain amount of sense with only 4 teams in the conference. The chances of a 2nd asc team making the playoffs are slim to none so just win to get in so why spend a bunch of money either flying to another team or paying someone 20k to come play you?

Tinfoil hat, but maybe pressure is coming from above to reduce spending? I mean there has to be a reason they're not sending our folks to broadcast away games anymore...

Quote from: Etchglow on March 12, 2024, 12:19:29 PM

Quote from: UMHB03 on March 12, 2024, 10:01:56 AM

Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 12, 2024, 07:56:07 AMCentenary played John Melvin twice last year and beat them 57-0 and 23-6 as a JV program.  If this schedule is true, I can't imagine UMHB will get anything out of playing them other than getting every healthy player in the program into the game, and the same goes for Westgate Christian, definitely not NAIA, who are playing their first season of football in 2024 (according to their Xitter feed).  From what can be gleaned from the school's website, they are an online-only institution with a "convenient, open-enrollment system [that] allows you to begin your courses right away."
 

Good grief.

Surely there must have been some crossed signals on this, and somehow some scrimmage opponents were listed with the actual opponents. I know it's hard for UMHB to find teams willing to play them, but if Harmon has sunk to scheduling the equivalents of University of Phoenix or DeVry, he would appear to be more clueless in his off the field duties than he has been as a HC. Hopefully this is a false alarm.

Ehh, it makes a certain amount of sense with only 4 teams in the conference. The chances of a 2nd asc team making the playoffs are slim to none so just win to get in so why spend a bunch of money either flying to another team or paying someone 20k to come play you?

Tinfoil hat, but maybe pressure is coming from above to reduce spending? I mean there has to be a reason they're not sending our folks to broadcast away games anymore...

They can save money without scheduling games against club teams from online universities and prep schools. Other programs don't do that, and I have a hard time believing that UMHB is worse off financially than everyone else. Even NAIA opponents like Texas College or Wayland Baptist would have more legitimacy. At least those are accredited, 4-year colleges with varsity football programs.

If these are the kind of opponents we can expect with this new double round robin scheduling model, we need to find a new conference/division immediately. We're going to have a hard time attracting the kind of players needed to maintain a power program if they know they're going to be playing multiple meaningless games against ITT Tech and the like. If we keep scheduling teams that are a half-step above intramurals, that's the kind of players we're going to be stuck recruiting.

Quote from: Etchglow on March 12, 2024, 12:19:29 PM

Quote from: UMHB03 on March 12, 2024, 10:01:56 AM

Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 12, 2024, 07:56:07 AMCentenary played John Melvin twice last year and beat them 57-0 and 23-6 as a JV program.  If this schedule is true, I can't imagine UMHB will get anything out of playing them other than getting every healthy player in the program into the game, and the same goes for Westgate Christian, definitely not NAIA, who are playing their first season of football in 2024 (according to their Xitter feed).  From what can be gleaned from the school's website, they are an online-only institution with a "convenient, open-enrollment system [that] allows you to begin your courses right away."
 

Good grief.

Surely there must have been some crossed signals on this, and somehow some scrimmage opponents were listed with the actual opponents. I know it's hard for UMHB to find teams willing to play them, but if Harmon has sunk to scheduling the equivalents of University of Phoenix or DeVry, he would appear to be more clueless in his off the field duties than he has been as a HC. Hopefully this is a false alarm.

Ehh, it makes a certain amount of sense with only 4 teams in the conference. The chances of a 2nd asc team making the playoffs are slim to none so just win to get in so why spend a bunch of money either flying to another team or paying someone 20k to come play you?

Tinfoil hat, but maybe pressure is coming from above to reduce spending? I mean there has to be a reason they're not sending our folks to broadcast away games anymore...

That's the thing though, if we are flying to Wisconsin AND Tennessee we are not in save money mode, I would say we are in we will play anyone that says Yes mode. Maybe I am dumb but I refuse to believe that Coach Harmon or anyone at UMHB would have played UW-RF (there with no return game), Trinity (there with no return game), UWW (Twice), a top 10 NAIA school (there, who knows if they are coming here in 2025) and two very random schools unless they basically had no other choices.

Also in terms of recruiting, all things are cured by winning. If we win the ASC and go a couple rounds deep in the playoffs, we will tell recruits that if you come to UMHB you have a shot at a title and get to crisscross the country on charter flights in the regular season like D1 kids get to and they will sign up. As for the chance of destroying John Melvin and Westgate, is that really much different than the many many times we have killed ASC opponents?

Quote from: UMHB03 on March 12, 2024, 10:01:56 AM

Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 12, 2024, 07:56:07 AMCentenary played John Melvin twice last year and beat them 57-0 and 23-6 as a JV program.  If this schedule is true, I can't imagine UMHB will get anything out of playing them other than getting every healthy player in the program into the game, and the same goes for Westgate Christian, definitely not NAIA, who are playing their first season of football in 2024 (according to their Xitter feed).  From what can be gleaned from the school's website, they are an online-only institution with a "convenient, open-enrollment system [that] allows you to begin your courses right away."
 

Good grief.

Surely there must have been some crossed signals on this, and somehow some scrimmage opponents were listed with the actual opponents. I know it's hard for UMHB to find teams willing to play them, but if Harmon has sunk to scheduling the equivalents of University of Phoenix or DeVry, he would appear to be more clueless in his off the field duties than he has been as a HC. Hopefully this is a false alarm.

I think this is really unfair to U of Phoenix and DeVry. 

Quote from: crufootball on March 12, 2024, 05:46:46 PM

Quote from: Etchglow on March 12, 2024, 12:19:29 PM

Quote from: UMHB03 on March 12, 2024, 10:01:56 AM

Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 12, 2024, 07:56:07 AMCentenary played John Melvin twice last year and beat them 57-0 and 23-6 as a JV program.  If this schedule is true, I can't imagine UMHB will get anything out of playing them other than getting every healthy player in the program into the game, and the same goes for Westgate Christian, definitely not NAIA, who are playing their first season of football in 2024 (according to their Xitter feed).  From what can be gleaned from the school's website, they are an online-only institution with a "convenient, open-enrollment system [that] allows you to begin your courses right away."
 

Good grief.

Surely there must have been some crossed signals on this, and somehow some scrimmage opponents were listed with the actual opponents. I know it's hard for UMHB to find teams willing to play them, but if Harmon has sunk to scheduling the equivalents of University of Phoenix or DeVry, he would appear to be more clueless in his off the field duties than he has been as a HC. Hopefully this is a false alarm.

Ehh, it makes a certain amount of sense with only 4 teams in the conference. The chances of a 2nd asc team making the playoffs are slim to none so just win to get in so why spend a bunch of money either flying to another team or paying someone 20k to come play you?

Tinfoil hat, but maybe pressure is coming from above to reduce spending? I mean there has to be a reason they're not sending our folks to broadcast away games anymore...

That's the thing though, if we are flying to Wisconsin AND Tennessee we are not in save money mode, I would say we are in we will play anyone that says Yes mode. Maybe I am dumb but I refuse to believe that Coach Harmon or anyone at UMHB would have played UW-RF (there with no return game), Trinity (there with no return game), UWW (Twice), a top 10 NAIA school (there, who knows if they are coming here in 2025) and two very random schools unless they basically had no other choices.

Also in terms of recruiting, all things are cured by winning. If we win the ASC and go a couple rounds deep in the playoffs, we will tell recruits that if you come to UMHB you have a shot at a title and get to crisscross the country on charter flights in the regular season like D1 kids get to and they will sign up. As for the chance of destroying John Melvin and Westgate, is that really much different than the many many times we have killed ASC opponents?

It actually is a lot different. Other schools' JV teams routinely beat John Melvin (essentially a JV team itself), and Westgate is basically an intramural team that plays intramural teams from other online "schools". These are the kinds of teams that Austin College would beat by 50, and UMHB might hang 80 on by halftime.