Quote from: CNU85 on July 03, 2024, 12:02:35 PMZiggy,

It does make you wonder. However, I believe the key is in the NJAC announcement where they mention that overnight travel is not an issue with New Paltz. It is an issue with CNU and UMW. I just don't see it happening. The NJAC, other than football, does not need SU, CNU or UMW (non football school). If a couple of NJAC schools started football to increase enrollment and the reached the AQ limit without CNU and SU....bye bye!

You are probably right. It's just interesting to think about because the NJAC no longer being limited to within states lines gives a somewhat reasonable fit in terms of both geography and institutional profile that wasn't there before. I probably wouldn't have really thought of it had there not been existing affiliate membership connections (football, swim/dive, the men's lacrosse single-sport conference) and my view that the long-term stability of the C2C is tenuous.

Adding 3 from the C2C would figure to necessitate North/South divisions to make the size of the conference and travel more manageable but like you said, it is probably all unlikely.

I could see why CNU-UMW-Salisbury would be interested but not sure why the NJAC would really be interested - though I feel that same way about the New Paltz news.

Rowan to CNU by bus is six hours, minimum.  It's eight hours for New Paltz.  That's probably not happening on a regular basis.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 03, 2024, 01:19:18 PMRowan to CNU by bus is six hours, minimum.  It's eight hours for New Paltz.  That's probably not happening on a regular basis.

Very true, and it's the kind of thing New Paltz was specifically moving away from in leaving the SUNYAC. Question is whether a divisional alignment is enough to keep it from happening "on a regular basis" or not. I agree it seems very unlikely but at least it is a closed door where a door previously did not exist.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 03, 2024, 01:19:18 PMRowan to CNU by bus is six hours, minimum.  It's eight hours for New Paltz.  That's probably not happening on a regular basis.

And for the northern NJ schools (Paterson, Kean, Montclair)  it's 7 hours to CNU.

Provisional Pipeline for 2024-25 (Assumed, not confirmed)
Full membership: Asbury, Warren Wilson
3rd year provisional members: Hartford, Lyon
2nd year provisional members: Carlow
1st year provisional: Penn State-Brandywine

Exploratory: Regent, Mayville State, Johnson and Wales (NC)

* Games against Year 3 provisional members count the same as games against full-members for regional-ranking and tournament selection purposes

Conference Changes Starting in 2024-2025
Asbury joins the CCS
Berea leaves the CCS for the HCAC
Birmingham-Southern (SAA) closes
Brockport leaves the SUNYAC for the E8
Cabrini (AEC) closes
Clarks Summit (UEC) closes
Concordia (Texas) leaves the ASC for the SCAC
Defiance (HCAC) leaves D3 for NAIA
Eastern Nazarene (NAC) closes
Fontbonne athletics in limbo? (closing in 2025-26)
McMurry leaves the ASC for the SCAC
Morrisville State leaves the NAC for the SUNYAC
Penn State-Brandywine joins the UEC (provisional pending)
Pratt leaves the C2C for the AEC
SUNY Canton leaves the NAC for the SUNYAC
SUNY Geneseo leaves the SUNYAC for the E8
SUNY Poly leaves the NAC for the E8
Texas-Dallas leaves the ASC for D2 (application process pending)
University of the Ozarks leaves the ASC for the SCAC
Wells (AMCC) closes
CCS expected to gain Pool A bid
Expecting 43 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 21 Pool C bids

Conference Changes Starting in 2025-2026
Anna Maria leaves GNAC for the MASCAC
Ferrum leaves the ODAC for D2 (application pending)
Fontbonne (SLIAC) closes
Hendrix leaves the SAA for the SCAC
Hiram leaves the NCAC for the PAC
John Carroll leaves the OAC for the NCAC
Johnson & Wales (RI) leaves the GNAC for the CCC
LeTourneau leaves the ASC for the SCAC
Southwestern leaves the SCAC for the SAA
Trinity (Texas) leaves the SCAC for the SAA
Expecting 43 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 21 Pool C bids

Conference Changes Starting in 2026-2027
SUNY New Paltz leaves the SUNYAC for the NJAC

To be honest, the only option i see for CNU is moving up to Division 2 and joining the CIAA or Conference Carolinas. UMW and Salisbury may have the NJAC and United East (CIAA or Central Atlantic if they decide to move up) as at least possible places to go. Whether any of these are feasible or not i don't know.

Quote from: jeffconn on July 09, 2024, 12:34:15 PMTo be honest, the only option i see for CNU is moving up to Division 2 and joining the CIAA or Conference Carolinas. UMW and Salisbury may have the NJAC and United East (CIAA or Central Atlantic if they decide to move up) as at least possible places to go. Whether any of these are feasible or not i don't know.

D1 is a better option for CNU  than D2. Neither one will happen anytime soon. CIAA consists of HBCUs.

Quote from: CNU85 on July 09, 2024, 03:31:18 PM

Quote from: jeffconn on July 09, 2024, 12:34:15 PMTo be honest, the only option i see for CNU is moving up to Division 2 and joining the CIAA or Conference Carolinas. UMW and Salisbury may have the NJAC and United East (CIAA or Central Atlantic if they decide to move up) as at least possible places to go. Whether any of these are feasible or not i don't know.

D1 is a better option for CNU than D2. Neither one will happen anytime soon. CIAA consists of HBCUs.

Chowan was a member of the CIAA and isn't a HBCU. Anyway, CNU cannot make the jump from Div. 3 to Div.1 without hanging out in Div.2 for at least 4 years. And that's assuming they get invites from a Div. 2 conference and then a Div. 1 conference.

Quote from: jeffconn on July 10, 2024, 03:15:40 AM

Quote from: CNU85 on July 09, 2024, 03:31:18 PM

Quote from: jeffconn on July 09, 2024, 12:34:15 PMTo be honest, the only option i see for CNU is moving up to Division 2 and joining the CIAA or Conference Carolinas. UMW and Salisbury may have the NJAC and United East (CIAA or Central Atlantic if they decide to move up) as at least possible places to go. Whether any of these are feasible or not i don't know.

D1 is a better option for CNU than D2. Neither one will happen anytime soon. CIAA consists of HBCUs.

Chowan was a member of the CIAA and isn't a HBCU. Anyway, CNU cannot make the jump from Div. 3 to Div.1 without hanging out in Div.2 for at least 4 years. And that's assuming they get invites from a Div. 2 conference and then a Div. 1 conference.

That is not always true - the University of St Thomas (Minn) went straight from D3 to D1 several years ago.

Quote from: jeffconn on July 10, 2024, 03:15:40 AM

Quote from: CNU85 on July 09, 2024, 03:31:18 PM

Quote from: jeffconn on July 09, 2024, 12:34:15 PMTo be honest, the only option i see for CNU is moving up to Division 2 and joining the CIAA or Conference Carolinas. UMW and Salisbury may have the NJAC and United East (CIAA or Central Atlantic if they decide to move up) as at least possible places to go. Whether any of these are feasible or not i don't know.

D1 is a better option for CNU than D2. Neither one will happen anytime soon. CIAA consists of HBCUs.

Chowan was a member of the CIAA and isn't a HBCU. Anyway, CNU cannot make the jump from Div. 3 to Div.1 without hanging out in Div.2 for at least 4 years. And that's assuming they get invites from a Div. 2 conference and then a Div. 1 conference.

Not necessarily. You can move from DIII to DI under the proper scenario. Look at ST Thomas. DII would be the very last option CNU would consider. You are correct Chowan was a member. However, the current members of the CIAA are HBCU.

I think looking forward 5 years (possibly more), wherever CNU ends up will probably not be something most are thinking about today. That's usually the case. We will know more as time develops and things will morph into something different. I have to disclose however, that I am on the CNU Athletic Advisory Council. I know somewhat more than I say on these boards, but I don't know nearly enough other than what my AD friend tells me.

Unfortunately, the ADs at CNU, UMW and SU spend an inordinate amount of time on this issue. I bet they wish they could focus more on running their respective athletic departments.

UT Dallas was accepted into provisional D2 membership, and the process will only take two years instead of three.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2024/7/11/media-center-four-schools-to-become-active-dii-members-on-sept-1.aspx

Quote from: Inkblot on July 11, 2024, 04:18:52 PMUT Dallas was accepted into provisional D2 membership, and the process will only take two years instead of three.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2024/7/11/media-center-four-schools-to-become-active-dii-members-on-sept-1.aspx

Interesting. That would put Texas-Dallas on the same timeline as Sul Ross State instead of being a year behind.

Quote from: Inkblot on July 11, 2024, 04:18:52 PMUT Dallas was accepted into provisional D2 membership, and the process will only take two years instead of three.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2024/7/11/media-center-four-schools-to-become-active-dii-members-on-sept-1.aspx

After all these years, I am still confused as to why the 1,200 student Emory and Henry made the move to Division II.

Quote from: Inkblot on July 11, 2024, 04:18:52 PMUT Dallas was accepted into provisional D2 membership, and the process will only take two years instead of three.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2024/7/11/media-center-four-schools-to-become-active-dii-members-on-sept-1.aspx

That does not surprise. The university surely has more resources to make the transition than SRSU. They were always a very competent member of the ASC.

Quote from: WUPHF on July 11, 2024, 08:39:56 PM

Quote from: Inkblot on July 11, 2024, 04:18:52 PMUT Dallas was accepted into provisional D2 membership, and the process will only take two years instead of three.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2024/7/11/media-center-four-schools-to-become-active-dii-members-on-sept-1.aspx

After all these years, I am still confused as to why the 1,200 student Emory and Henry made the move to Division II.

Another rural Virginia ODAC school, Ferrum College, announced in April that it will be joining D2: https://ferrumpanthers.com/news/2024/4/5/general-ferrum-college-set-to-move-to-division-ii-and-join-conference-carolinas.aspx

Here's a comment from a frequent poster on the ODAC football boards, who also sometimes engages on the basketball boards, where he posted this: "There are way fewer D2 schools in SW Va than D3. So if you want a hook, or a way to stand out from the crowd of small to midsize liberal arts schools in VA, going D2 might be a possibility. I've long believed that's why E&H went D2. Especially when you are so enrollment dependent."