It seems like UMW would make sense in the ODAC but I'm fairly new to all of this. The C2C has also seemed strange to me.

UMW is a public school. ODAC by-laws stipulate members must be private

Provisional Pipeline for 2024-25 (Now confirmed)
Full membership: Asbury, Warren Wilson
3rd year provisional members: Hartford, Lyon
2nd year provisional members: Carlow
1st year provisional: Penn State-Brandywine (I don't see a report on this one yet)

Exploratory: Regent, Johnson and Wales (NC)

Mayville State withdrew from the exploratory process. The Membership Committee also recommended reducing the reclassification process from three to two years and asked for more information on the proposed merger of Bluffton University with D2 Findlay.

* Games against Year 3 provisional members count the same as games against full-members for regional-ranking and tournament selection purposes

Conference Changes Starting in 2024-2025
Asbury joins the CCS
Berea leaves the CCS for the HCAC
Birmingham-Southern (SAA) closes
Brockport leaves the SUNYAC for the E8
Cabrini (AEC) closes
Clarks Summit (UEC) closes
Concordia (Texas) leaves the ASC for the SCAC
Defiance (HCAC) leaves D3 for NAIA
Eastern Nazarene (NAC) closes
Fontbonne athletics in limbo? (closing in 2025-26)
McMurry leaves the ASC for the SCAC
Morrisville State leaves the NAC for the SUNYAC
Penn State-Brandywine joins the UEC (provisional pending)
Pratt leaves the C2C for the AEC
SUNY Canton leaves the NAC for the SUNYAC
SUNY Geneseo leaves the SUNYAC for the E8
SUNY Poly leaves the NAC for the E8
Texas-Dallas leaves the ASC for D2 (application accepted)
University of the Ozarks leaves the ASC for the SCAC
Wells (AMCC) closes
CCS expected to gain Pool A bid
Expecting 43 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 21 Pool C bids

Conference Changes Starting in 2025-2026
Anna Maria leaves GNAC for the MASCAC
Ferrum leaves the ODAC for D2 (application pending)
Fontbonne (SLIAC) closes
Hendrix leaves the SAA for the SCAC
Hiram leaves the NCAC for the PAC
John Carroll leaves the OAC for the NCAC
Johnson & Wales (RI) leaves the GNAC for the CCC
LeTourneau leaves the ASC for the SCAC
Southwestern leaves the SCAC for the SAA
Trinity (Texas) leaves the SCAC for the SAA
Expecting 43 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 21 Pool C bids

Conference Changes Starting in 2026-2027
SUNY New Paltz leaves the SUNYAC for the NJAC

Quote from: gordonmann on July 13, 2024, 05:34:21 PM1st year provisional: Penn State-Brandywine (I don't see a report on this one yet)

They were approved in February. https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/committees/d3/memb/Feb2024D3Memb_Feb26Report.pdf

Quote from: CNU85 on July 12, 2024, 01:22:07 PMUMW is a public school. ODAC by-laws stipulate members must be private

I believed you, but had to look for myself and indeed, you can find the reference to private-only institutions in more than one place.

Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 12, 2024, 09:39:52 AMAnother rural Virginia ODAC school, Ferrum College, announced in April that it will be joining D2: https://ferrumpanthers.com/news/2024/4/5/general-ferrum-college-set-to-move-to-division-ii-and-join-conference-carolinas.aspx

Here's a comment from a frequent poster on the ODAC football boards, who also sometimes engages on the basketball boards, where he posted this: "There are way fewer D2 schools in SW Va than D3. So if you want a hook, or a way to stand out from the crowd of small to midsize liberal arts schools in VA, going D2 might be a possibility. I've long believed that's why E&H went D2. Especially when you are so enrollment dependent."

Thanks for sharing... Very interesting.

Quote from: WUPHF on July 15, 2024, 12:52:38 PM

Quote from: CNU85 on July 12, 2024, 01:22:07 PMUMW is a public school. ODAC by-laws stipulate members must be private

I believed you, but had to look for myself and indeed, you can find the reference to private-only institutions in more than one place.

Trust, but verify is always a good policy.

Quote from: CNU85 on July 15, 2024, 01:41:26 PMTrust, but verify is always a good policy.

Indeed!

As an aside, Mary Washington seems like both a better fit for Division II than Emory and Henry and Ferrum.  Their President was a big advocate for Division II from his prior schools, but maybe Division III won him over.

I've always wondered about UMW and DII. Especially now that D2 is slowly creeping north into Va.

Admittedly, I do not know the financial impacts enough to comment with specifics. What are UMW enrollment predictions going forward? Would they gain enough in revenue (increased enrollment or other D2 benefits I don't know about) vs added expenses (scholarships, staff salaries, etc)? I would love to know enough details to crunch the numbers. It's what I do!!!

A few years ago, for fun, I did an analysis of D2 and D1 (FCS and FBS) to figure out the additional cost to CNU based on a variety of factors(sports offered at the time, # of scholarships for each sport. Are the Scholarships based on head count or equivalencies, increased coaching salaries, stuff like that). I cannot even remember the results of my fun. It was in the millions. I didn't even dare to try to tackle the revenue streams. I just don't understand how that works.

UMW is in an awkward location for D2. The CIAA most likely wouldn't be interested in a non-football non-HBCU. The only non-CIAA D2 schools within 150 miles are UDC (the only non-New York member of the ECC) and Shepherd (the only non-Pennsylvania member of the PSAC).

If CNU ever wanted to go D2, they'd be a home run for Conference Carolinas.

Quote from: Inkblot on July 15, 2024, 03:21:17 PMUMW is in an awkward location for D2.

Very true, but there is a fair amount of awkwardness in Division II geography the further West you go.  Not to mention their current conference awkwardness.

Quote from: WUPHF on July 15, 2024, 07:46:33 PM

Quote from: Inkblot on July 15, 2024, 03:21:17 PMUMW is in an awkward location for D2.

Very true, but there is a fair amount of awkwardness in Division II geography the further West you go.  Not to mention their current conference awkwardness.

Just as DIII

Quote from: CNU85 on July 15, 2024, 02:59:39 PMA few years ago, for fun, I did an analysis of D2 and D1 (FCS and FBS) to figure out the additional cost to CNU based on a variety of factors(sports offered at the time, # of scholarships for each sport. Are the Scholarships based on head count or equivalencies, increased coaching salaries, stuff like that). I cannot even remember the results of my fun. It was in the millions. I didn't even dare to try to tackle the revenue streams. I just don't understand how that works.

I did this as well, but it was years ago when Maryville (MO) joined the GLVC amidst an enrollment and building boom that allowed them to grow to 25 sports. 

But like every institution, they are expecting a tough fall and had lay-offs from what I understand.

Something I'm curious about and can't find the answer to. I have it in my brain that the requirement for the number of sports that must be sponsored is actually lower for D2 than for D3 schools. Does anyone know? Thanks.

This what I found...

Division II institutions have to sponsor at least five sports for men and five for women (or four for men and six for women), with two team sports for each sex, and each playing season represented by each sex. Teams that consist of both men and women are counted as men's teams for sports sponsorship purposes.