Quote from: NescacNewbie on July 31, 2024, 08:07:07 PMDoes anyone have a matrix of the Nescac head coaches by age?

Really?- LOL
Maybe someone will put a "matrix" together for us.

Quote from: Charlie on July 31, 2024, 08:38:08 PM

Quote from: nescac1 on July 29, 2024, 09:53:06 AMIt will be interesting to see just how good Berlutti truly is this year.  I thought he was the best QB in the league over the past few years; his combination of accuracy, poise, and mobility is hard to top, but there is also no doubt he benefited from some high-level OL and TB talent and the most talented group of receivers we've probably ever seen in NESCAC in future D1 players Richardson plus Lutz plus several other very talented guys behind them.  He usually puts the ball on the money, but this year he will have smaller windows plus receivers who aren't a lock to win every 1-on-1 battle for a contested catch. 

How can you say best in the League over Fetter from Trinity ? I dont think so. In addition when he faced a great defense like Trinity last year they made him look like a Freshman back-up. I think when you win a title you can claim top QB in league. I cant imagine how much more productive Fetter would have been with the Tufts WR's. I am not saying Trinity receiving group was bad but Fetter was defintely best B in NESCAC last few years.

hmmmmmm....ok.

I can't say for certain that I'm correct in regard to the pay scale at Hamilton, but I have heard some things which lead me to believe that to be the case in Clinton. It could easily be hearsay, so I will certainly differ to anyone with concrete facts there.

As for the Colby issues, I think it's all well and good that they've built the facility, but it's not like they've gone out and purchased a football facility. Are the football players really benefiting from that? I'm sure they probably have a nice locker room, but a long walk to an "okay" stadium to practice isn't exactly a win for them. I think it's clear that they looked to raise the bar for the indoor sports with the facility move, as they haven't seemed to touch any of the other areas around their athletics fields.

Similarly, I think the Cosgrove effect is limited in it's appeal. I personally love the hire, but I'm old enough to know the legend of Jack Cosgrove and his effect on Maine. Unfortunately the NESCAC doesn't really seem to recruit many kids out of Maine, where that history might matter. I assume that Cosgrove's legendary career doesn't mean as much if I'm a kid coming from someplace like Florida, which is unfortunate, but the reality.

Generally speaking, football is just a bit of a different beast when it comes to college athletics. Colby has implemented a lot of great changes that will help their athletics programs as a whole, but I don't think they've done enough to target football in particular if that's where they're looking to get better.

Quote from: lumbercat on July 31, 2024, 07:23:03 PMScoops

A lot of really good points- but I'd challenge your contention about the pay scale at Hamilton strongly. As a matter of fact your take on coaching compensation in Clinton, in my experience, is way off.  Maybe Murray has been able to secure some changes for his staff after a number of stagnant years with the Buff 'n Blue.

As for Colby I just don't get it....it's a venue in which they can build a better Football program with facilities as their trump card.
Look at the Mules Hockey program. Bowdoin owned them for years, but not now.
In Basketball they have over achieved in recent years and have been a strong contender.
And last, how about the baseball program- among the best in the NESCAC and now a strong championship contender. One of the very best Baseball programs and facilities in the conference.

The Mules have established a precedent of bringing in high level coacheing:

Football- D1 HC Cosgrove UMaine
Hockey- D1 HC Blaise MacDonald UM Lowell
Baseball- D1 Jesse Woods Notre Dame
Lacrosse- D1 HC Guy VanArsdale Jacksobville U


Other NESCAC ADs are always trying to find the "young, up and coming coaches" they can get on the cheap. In terms of head coaching recruitment Colby has adopted different philosophy in recent years.

Having direct knowledge of the pay scale at Hamilton, I can confirm what is being said. As a coordinator (Off or Def) the starting salary at Hamilton before looking at experience is $95,000 making them easily the highest with regards to starting salaries for top assistants (those who have been at an institution for a while may be making more).

Seems to be a lot of talk about the new facility at Colby, but don't see how that should really have any impact on Football. They completely dropped the ball on adding an indoor turf field and although it is nice and new, does not have the indoor facility needs that you would expect from a school in the northeast.

Quote from: NE Football Fan on August 01, 2024, 10:59:05 AMHaving direct knowledge of the pay scale at Hamilton, I can confirm what is being said. As a coordinator (Off or Def) the starting salary at Hamilton before looking at experience is $95,000 making them easily the highest with regards to starting salaries for top assistants (those who have been at an institution for a while may be making more).

Seems to be a lot of talk about the new facility at Colby, but don't see how that should really have any impact on Football. They completely dropped the ball on adding an indoor turf field and although it is nice and new, does not have the indoor facility needs that you would expect from a school in the northeast.

Has anyone else heard this and can add insight. I was informed that Colby had 6:00 am practices for football. I also heard that Bowdoin has 6:00 am team lifts. I cannot fathom the rational for that. These kids are not in the Military.

In addition the new facility is top notch but to have to walk a great distance to go to the football field is crazy. I also think a bigger problem is that there seems to be a severe lack of following from the student body. I went to a game last year and visiting team had more fans then home team. I understand when you win people will come. Colby always seems to have ok talent on the field but either missing a key piece like a QB or another skilled position. I have to commend the players they do play hard. I think a new Coach better recruiting which means an alignment with admissions and a field upgrade would need to occur for winning to take place there.I would rank football field in the NESCAC from a student , fan , alumni perspective in proximity to the the center of campus to draw in more fans as follows

1.      Bates
2.      Trinity
3.      Tufts
4.      Middlebury
5.      Williams
6.      Hamilton
7.      Colby
8.      Bowdoin
9.      Amherst

Quote from: NE Football Fan on August 01, 2024, 10:59:05 AMHaving direct knowledge of the pay scale at Hamilton, I can confirm what is being said. As a coordinator (Off or Def) the starting salary at Hamilton before looking at experience is $95,000 making them easily the highest with regards to starting salaries for top assistants (those who have been at an institution for a while may be making more).

Seems to be a lot of talk about the new facility at Colby, but don't see how that should really have any impact on Football. They completely dropped the ball on adding an indoor turf field and although it is nice and new, does not have the indoor facility needs that you would expect from a school in the northeast.

If so, they have made some significant changes at Hamilton in terms their pay structure. My information goes back probably more years than I realize. However I have to think the coordinators at the likes of Trinity, The Purples and Middlebury are compensated comparably or better than Hamilton. I certainly won't refute your information if is first hand. Out of curiosity, what is your source on the Hamilton info?

I couldn't disagree more with the contention that the new Mule Athletic plant has little influence on Football. Locker rooms, weight room, training room etc all state of the art with direct benefit to the Football program. Most Athletes like to see an institutional commitment to all sports as well as their own. I think a Football prospect takes a look the Colby Baseball/Softball facility and other Athletics infrastructure and comes away with a strong impression that they really care about Athletics at Colby.

I remember reading some profiles of Colby Football players in recent years. They were asked "Why you chose Colby?" The kids gave varied responses but a majority them alluded to the new facility and the overall commitment to Athletics. The facility is a big factor in Football recruiting.

1.      Middlebury
2.      Trinity
3.      Tufts
4.      Middlebury
5.      Williams
6.      Hamilton
7.      Colby
8.      Bowdoin
9.      Amherst

Quote from: Charlie on August 01, 2024, 11:37:40 AMI would rank football field in the NESCAC from a student , fan , alumni perspective in proximity to the the center of campus to draw in more fans as follows

1.      Bates
2.      Trinity
3.      Tufts
4.      Middlebury
5.      Williams
6.      Hamilton
7.      Colby
8.      Bowdoin
9.      Amherst

Quote from: GroundandPound on August 02, 2024, 03:40:29 PM1.      Middlebury
2.      Trinity
3.      Tufts
4.      Middlebury
5.      Williams
6.      Hamilton
7.      Colby
8.      Bowdoin
9.      Amherst

I knew people lamented the grass on Andrus Field, but I didn't know it was so bad that Wesleyan can't even make lists. 

Two votes for Middlebury- does that equate to a top billing?
Any stadium that puts everybody on the same side is no good- I don't care about the Vermont scenery- I"ll go look at that after the game.

I can't fathom how Hamilton is not dead last. Talk about the two sides being on top of each other (like Middlebury as you said), rules on where the visiting team is allowed to sit in said common stands, and all the rules for tailgating.

Personal Ranking of Stadiums/Fields in NESCAC..
Middlebury
Wesleyan
Trinity
Tufts
Williams
Bowdoin
Amherst
Hamilton
Colby

Im obviously biased, but not having wesleyan at or near the top for fan experience is just being a hater. The oldest field in the country, being the actual center of campus, great access for tailgating, tons of access to buildings for cover as well as restrooms. It just has a classic small college football feel to it. I've brought in-law and extended family to games and they we shocked at how much they loved it, even against their many experiences at Holy Cross and BC.

As a fan, Midd and Williams have a fun gameday as well.

New of of Trinity is that they are going to be having new game uniforms for the next season and will not be putting players names on Jerseys. I liked that look in past years and the different combinations of uniforms. The explanation is that they will go back to the names once the roster limits are instituted again.

Do you have any visibility to when the roster limits will be back, or what the new # would be? I have heard a hard stop at 74, and another rumor of 90 with a "dress roster" of 74.

Don't think the roster limit will be 74. Old limit was 76. Ive heard speculation at 85, 90 and 95.