Through 3 quarters it's Marietta on top 48-0, only downside for Marietta today is a missed EP...

Yardage through 3 quarters:

Marietta 509 (51 plays)
Fisher 55 (34 plays)

and that's a wrap...

55-0 Marietta...

Fisher did manage to crack 100 yards of offense with backups vs backups...

Going to be a long season, I just cannot understand how they cannot get a QB or a set of lineman into the program anymore...

Fisher ... just seems like they're going to be this way until Vosburgh retires.

He's the face of the program, and he's going to be allowed to retire on his own terms. But it just seems like this is what Fisher is going to be. They need a wholesale program reset, and that's just going to require new people

So....Is this current version of SJF the true version of what the program is/was? Or were the great teams that the program saw the actual representation? Which is the anomaly? The good dynasty or the bad dynasty?

Of all the other teams in NY that have seen highs and lows, there have been staff turnovers! Has something else changed drastically at SJF?

Quote from: XREDDRAGON77 on September 08, 2024, 09:53:56 AMSo....Is this current version of SJF the true version of what the program is/was? Or were the great teams that the program saw the actual representation? Which is the anomaly? The good dynasty or the bad dynasty?

Of all the other teams in NY that have seen highs and lows, there have been staff turnovers! Has something else changed drastically at SJF?

I think the main difference is that the talent that SJF used to be bringing in is now headed to Brockport, Utica, Cortland, and Morrisville, and maybe Ithaca, too.  Any program's success is cannibalizing some other program's success, and I think that's what happened.

As for why that's happened, my own view is that a lot of SJF's old success was driven less by Vosburgh than by coordinators that left long ago.  It probably also doesn't help that the programs in western/central NY that are beating out SJF in recruiting mostly have much lower net prices.  And even great coaches often struggle to remain successful towards the end of a long career - see, e.g., Audino at Union.

In the end, totally agree with IC - program needs a hard reset, similar to what Union did in 2016.

Fisher's success was a 15-year window from, 2002 to 2016. I'd break it down as such:

2002-2003: Good team on the rise
2004-2005: Very good team
2006: Elite team
2007: Reality check
2008-2016: Really good team, tended to shoot themselves in the foot in the regular season, but played better when they made the NCAAs

Here's the crazy thing to me though: Fisher has as many Pool A bids as Hartwick. That doesn't actually seem possible but it's true. Whether it was fluky or there was just someone a little better, even their national semifinalist team that hung with Mount Union was unable to win the conference.

I think they got a few all-time generational players at the same time (Robinson, Stepnick, Fortune, and Lang) and they rode that to the success in 2006-2007. At the time, their facilities were kind of all the rage, it was a new stadium, the Bills were doing training camp there. I think it just all came together.

But they sort of...flew a bit too close to the sun. After that great effort against Mount in 2006, they scheduled a home and home with them, and played them in the playoffs in 2007. They got waxed in the playoffs, and the home and home did not go much better.

I think, ultimately, at that point, Fisher was a lot like Ithaca from 1995 to like, 2009. They were unable to deal with the fact that they weren't a national power, but they just weren't changing. They remained a good to very good program, but the wheels just eventually come off when you don't adapt. Just like when Ithaca went 40 years with nothing but winning seasons and then had three non-winning seasons in the last six years of Mike Welch's great career.

I feel like where Fisher is in denial though is thinking they're going to get that Ithaca in 2013 and 2014 last hurrah out of Vosburgh, where they'll overachieve because of good coaching and sneak into the playoffs. It just doesn't look like that's going to happen. He doesn't even look like he'll get the Welch finale where they went 5-5 but won all the home games, so we all got one last time to cheer.

It sucks. I wish it weren't the case. But...

Also, look I wasn't expecting Hilbert-Cortland to be anything but a bloodbath, but, and I'm being serious, that was really sad.

Watching the Cortland game told me nothing about them. I believe all but one or 2 plays occurred beyond the 50 yard line. Hilbert attempted no passes and mustered 18 yards of offense.

I felt sorry for Hilbert. Many , many years a bad Hobart team scrimmaged a very , very good Ithaca team( I think Ithaca was D2 or whatever the next level was). I remember being double teamed and it felt like I was lifted up like that play in the movie Blind Side into the perimeter fence.That's what the Hilbert lines felt like, believe me, it really really sucks.

Having watched Cortland play Hobart in a scrimmage this August, and seen the talent live, the coaches should be arrested for gridiron abuse by playing their first or second teams against Hilbert.

Ithaca has been in D-III for as long as there has been a D-III, so it must have been many, many years ago.

I believe Cortland played 4 quarterbacks on Saturday before it was all said and done! So charges should be avoided.

Its really sad to see a program not only fall from grace but be in total denial.
I had already left Fisher when Vos came aboard - but had friends that played for him all those years ago.
They said he had the vision and tenacity to make the program great- even while taking gut punches for a few years as the program built.  Watching the rise and ultimate fall of the program is gut wrenching and have had friends on the team in many different years.  The one constant is Vos, the losses of key and I mean KEY OC's and DC's who have gone on to much bigger things is inevitable.  It is not just the recruiting that is killing Fisher but I believe that what used to be the cornerstone program of the college is now just well- another program.  Fisher isnt a Football school anymore.  Hell- if you had to pick a sport- Fisher Lax is the real up and coming program on a national level. 

Quote from: Bartman on September 09, 2024, 09:21:51 AMI felt sorry for Hilbert. Many , many years a bad Hobart team scrimmaged a very , very good Ithaca team( I think Ithaca was D2 or whatever the next level was). I remember being double teamed and it felt like I was lifted up like that play in the movie Blind Side into the perimeter fence.That's what the Hilbert lines felt like, believe me, it really really sucks.

Having watched Cortland play Hobart in a scrimmage this August, and seen the talent live, the coaches should be arrested for gridiron abuse by playing their first or second teams against Hilbert.

Did you play in the mid 1990s?  I had d2 biceps and strength so maybe it was me....

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 10, 2024, 08:49:55 AM

Quote from: Bartman on September 09, 2024, 09:21:51 AMI felt sorry for Hilbert. Many , many years a bad Hobart team scrimmaged a very , very good Ithaca team( I think Ithaca was D2 or whatever the next level was). I remember being double teamed and it felt like I was lifted up like that play in the movie Blind Side into the perimeter fence.That's what the Hilbert lines felt like, believe me, it really really sucks.

Having watched Cortland play Hobart in a scrimmage this August, and seen the talent live, the coaches should be arrested for gridiron abuse by playing their first or second teams against Hilbert.

Did you play in the mid 1990s?  I had d2 biceps and strength so maybe it was me....

Johnny, It must have been your Uncle, the game was in 1970, when the weight room was optional

Bartman: Statesmen put up a fight in 1970 at Merrill Field, but fell, 31-22. Wasn't A-Z on that team? Remember AU had the pumpkinheads pinned back at their own 3 yard line, and A-Z broke through the line and went 97 yards for the TD!