Quote from: Nescacman on September 16, 2024, 03:26:42 PM

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Quote from: nescac1 on September 16, 2024, 11:30:18 AMI'm trying to remember the last NESCAC season which didn't feature at least one angry coach confrontation related to something that occurred at the end of a blowout ...

The other conflicts that you reference were brought about by losing coaches. The beef that occurred on Saturday was said to be incited by the winning coach in a blowout which seemed strange to me.

Lumber, we love you but we were there and that is definitely not what went down on Saturday. HCOF Doug (the losing coach) was clearly the aggressor and went after Coach Dice as evidenced by the clip we shared. Frankly, the real issue was HCOF Doug didn't expect to lose like that in Week 1 and was probably a bit testy as a result of getting crushed at home Week 1. Next year at Wes should be fun. At this point, we're moving on to Week 2. We'll leave it at that. Good luck this weekend.

I was there too, and I completely disagree. The whole incident was instigated by the conduct of Coach DiCenzo, behavior which the foremost expert on D3 football (Pat Coleman) agreed was unwarranted. I do agree that the unexpected blowout added to the frustration of Coach Mandigo, and admittedly it added to mine too. I'll drop it there.

Thank you for the insights in your power rankings, and I'm interested to hear the second episode of the podcast. Looking forward to 8 more weeks of NESCAC football.

To be clear, my comments did not address the behavior. They addressed the expectation that the losing team is required to concede by running out the clock.

Understood. I think everyone who was there agrees that Coach DiCenzo got upset about Middlebury continuing to pass (we all could hear the words he was yelling). I was just connecting the dots that if the expectation about conceding is not universally agreed to, then his conduct was unnecessary. But I did not mean to misrepresent your words, so apologies if I did.

Challenging Week 2 for the Pants this week at the Whispering Pines of Brunswick. Either a convincing get-right game against a difficult opponent they have had consistently competitive games with or a sobering drop to 0-2 in Pantherland. Excited to see how HCOF Mandigo rights the ship.

Where is Charlie?

Also, here is a gem from a few days back:

Just saying I personally am nowhere near as confident guaranteeing they will go at least 6-3 as I am Tufts, Trinity and Midd. Especially after they most likely start 0-1 after Tufts.

Quote from: MapleBBQChicken on September 13, 2024, 03:42:02 PM

Quote from: nescac1 on September 13, 2024, 02:14:35 PMCoach Raymond confirmed that Holden Gering is going to be a two-way starter at WR and CB.  When was the last time that happened in NESCAC?  It's certainly been a LONG time.  He's not a big guy at all, so hopefully he can hold up physically.

I'm kind of surprised we don't see a few other guys around the league pulling at least partial double-duty.  Like Perry, imagine adding him to the middle of the already-nasty Middlebury d-line on a handful of key defensive plays?  Richardson playing as a roaming free safety last year in must-pass situations would have been terrifying, as well.

Agreed that Perry would be a beast in the middle of the Middlebury DL between Kenary and Filias. That would be an immensely hard group to block. Middlebury has partially explored this idea, having Perry in at DT to block field goals and extra points last year.

Maybe Perry should just focus on blocking NESCACers rather than playing defense or playing on Sunday's...which from what we saw on Saturday, is not going to happen. 

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Quote from: Nescacman on September 11, 2024, 01:06:22 AM4). Middlebury (2023 Record: 8-1 NESCACMAN Predicted 2024 Record: 6-3)

Bulletin board material for Midd -- defending champs ranked 4th and behind their week 1 opponent. I'm not sure the team has lost as much talent on offense as the board seems to think, and this might be the best DL group in all of Division III. The beautiful thing is we don't need to argue because we will see on Saturday.

New QB, loss of All-Leaguers (WR Wood, LB McCool, DB Muldoon) and several OL...we stand by our projection. They were very fortunate to have 8 wins a year ago and could have very easily had 3 losses or more. Should be a great game Saturday...that's why they play the games.

"Several Oline" is patently false. Midd returns 7 lineman who started a game last year. Only 1 starter graduated (and he missed most of last season with injury anyway.) Besides, all NESCACMAN does is provide bulletin board material. And we are thankful for his service.

BTW, how did that bulletin board material work out for the Panthers? Just asking for a friend....

Quote from: Nescacman on September 10, 2024, 11:28:46 AM

Quote from: muleshoe on September 10, 2024, 10:08:10 AMWeek 1 Predictions based on the computers!

Amherst 29.2, Bates 8.1
Middlebury 24.7, Wesleyan 20.0
Trinity (Conn.) 44.4, Colby 0.4 (but will probably be 3-0 at halftime  )
Tufts 35.6, Bowdoin 12.5
Williams 28.5, Hamilton 10.3

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CJImfkg0ouHIIIGOWRfbvwC0TNWh76n47xkz8nqrVBc/edit?gid=597209331#gid=597209331

You can throw the computers out the window in Week 1 of the NESCAC. Real picks and spreads to come later this week...

NM

The only one that was actually close was the Ephs beating up on the Conts...as we said, you can throw the computers out the window in Week 1 and for that matter, the NESCAC in general.

Quote from: Nescacman on September 10, 2024, 07:20:35 AM

Quote from: nescac1 on September 09, 2024, 06:35:15 PMOh and Amherst posted its roster. 

Shocking! What's next, they actually have a watchable offense?!? The Lord Mammoths are the NY Football Giants of the NESCAC.

Unfortunately, this is looking more and more accurate every week that goes by...when does hockey season start in New York and Amherst?!? Not soon enough, we're sure...

Quote from: Nescacman on September 16, 2024, 11:57:49 PM

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Quote from: Nescacman on September 11, 2024, 01:06:22 AM4). Middlebury (2023 Record: 8-1 NESCACMAN Predicted 2024 Record: 6-3)

Bulletin board material for Midd -- defending champs ranked 4th and behind their week 1 opponent. I'm not sure the team has lost as much talent on offense as the board seems to think, and this might be the best DL group in all of Division III. The beautiful thing is we don't need to argue because we will see on Saturday.

New QB, loss of All-Leaguers (WR Wood, LB McCool, DB Muldoon) and several OL...we stand by our projection. They were very fortunate to have 8 wins a year ago and could have very easily had 3 losses or more. Should be a great game Saturday...that's why they play the games.

"Several Oline" is patently false. Midd returns 7 lineman who started a game last year. Only 1 starter graduated (and he missed most of last season with injury anyway.) Besides, all NESCACMAN does is provide bulletin board material. And we are thankful for his service.

BTW, how did that bulletin board material work out for the Panthers? Just asking for a friend....

I can admit when I'm wrong, and here I was wrong. Thankfully it's a long season and there's lots of football left. Hopefully we'll see Midd turn it around in the coming weeks.

Quote from: Nescacman on September 16, 2024, 11:55:04 PM

Quote from: MapleBBQChicken on September 13, 2024, 03:42:02 PM

Quote from: nescac1 on September 13, 2024, 02:14:35 PMCoach Raymond confirmed that Holden Gering is going to be a two-way starter at WR and CB.  When was the last time that happened in NESCAC?  It's certainly been a LONG time.  He's not a big guy at all, so hopefully he can hold up physically.

I'm kind of surprised we don't see a few other guys around the league pulling at least partial double-duty.  Like Perry, imagine adding him to the middle of the already-nasty Middlebury d-line on a handful of key defensive plays?  Richardson playing as a roaming free safety last year in must-pass situations would have been terrifying, as well.

Agreed that Perry would be a beast in the middle of the Middlebury DL between Kenary and Filias. That would be an immensely hard group to block. Middlebury has partially explored this idea, having Perry in at DT to block field goals and extra points last year.

Maybe Perry should just focus on blocking NESCACers rather than playing defense or playing on Sunday's...which from what we saw on Saturday, is not going to happen. 

Don't love this one. Thomas is the hardest worker I've ever met, and he is the last person asking for the attention and hype he got this offseason. It is simply a byproduct of his dedication. And football aside, the guy is a fantastic person – I've never met someone who doesn't like him. All I said was that he'd be hard to block (physical fact) and that he's been on the FG block team (which he was again on Saturday). And for all of Midd's struggles this weekend, I don't think he ever got beat in protection.

Take the victory lap on me all you want. You can leave the individual players out of it.

Quote from: MapleBBQChicken on September 17, 2024, 01:48:18 AM

Quote from: Nescacman on September 16, 2024, 11:55:04 PM

Quote from: MapleBBQChicken on September 13, 2024, 03:42:02 PM

Quote from: nescac1 on September 13, 2024, 02:14:35 PMCoach Raymond confirmed that Holden Gering is going to be a two-way starter at WR and CB.  When was the last time that happened in NESCAC?  It's certainly been a LONG time.  He's not a big guy at all, so hopefully he can hold up physically.

I'm kind of surprised we don't see a few other guys around the league pulling at least partial double-duty.  Like Perry, imagine adding him to the middle of the already-nasty Middlebury d-line on a handful of key defensive plays?  Richardson playing as a roaming free safety last year in must-pass situations would have been terrifying, as well.

Agreed that Perry would be a beast in the middle of the Middlebury DL between Kenary and Filias. That would be an immensely hard group to block. Middlebury has partially explored this idea, having Perry in at DT to block field goals and extra points last year.

Maybe Perry should just focus on blocking NESCACers rather than playing defense or playing on Sunday's...which from what we saw on Saturday, is not going to happen. 

Don't love this one. Thomas is the hardest worker I've ever met, and he is the last person asking for the attention and hype he got this offseason. It is simply a byproduct of his dedication. And football aside, the guy is a fantastic person – I've never met someone who doesn't like him. All I said was that he'd be hard to block (physical fact) and that he's been on the FG block team (which he was again on Saturday). And for all of Midd's struggles this weekend, I don't think he ever got beat in protection.

Take the victory lap on me all you want. You can leave the individual players out of it.

Maple, just like HCOF Doug going after Coach Dice during the post-game handshake, you need to watch the film. It doesn't lie...and yes, we've watched it. We tell it like it is, positive and negative. Sorry you don't approve but the facts are the facts. I think the Pants should focus on the Polars this Saturday, They're going to have their hands full in trying to avoid dropping to 0-2. Should be a great game. Good luck in Brunswick.

Quote from: MapleBBQChicken on September 17, 2024, 01:48:18 AM

Quote from: Nescacman on September 16, 2024, 11:55:04 PM

Quote from: MapleBBQChicken on September 13, 2024, 03:42:02 PM

Quote from: nescac1 on September 13, 2024, 02:14:35 PMCoach Raymond confirmed that Holden Gering is going to be a two-way starter at WR and CB.  When was the last time that happened in NESCAC?  It's certainly been a LONG time.  He's not a big guy at all, so hopefully he can hold up physically.

I'm kind of surprised we don't see a few other guys around the league pulling at least partial double-duty.  Like Perry, imagine adding him to the middle of the already-nasty Middlebury d-line on a handful of key defensive plays?  Richardson playing as a roaming free safety last year in must-pass situations would have been terrifying, as well.

Agreed that Perry would be a beast in the middle of the Middlebury DL between Kenary and Filias. That would be an immensely hard group to block. Middlebury has partially explored this idea, having Perry in at DT to block field goals and extra points last year.

Maybe Perry should just focus on blocking NESCACers rather than playing defense or playing on Sunday's...which from what we saw on Saturday, is not going to happen. 

Don't love this one. Thomas is the hardest worker I've ever met, and he is the last person asking for the attention and hype he got this offseason. It is simply a byproduct of his dedication. And football aside, the guy is a fantastic person – I've never met someone who doesn't like him. All I said was that he'd be hard to block (physical fact) and that he's been on the FG block team (which he was again on Saturday). And for all of Midd's struggles this weekend, I don't think he ever got beat in protection.

Take the victory lap on me all you want. You can leave the individual players out of it.

Tend to agree. I'm a Wes supporter and fan and was thrilled at their victory this weekend, but those are the types of comments I loathe no matter the circumstances. Win with grace. These are young men playing a game.

Be a winner, celebrate, get excited. This was a great victory for the team. But comments like that are completely unnecessary, and frankly, embarrassing.

Thank you, Ghost. My point was not really about the football on that one.

For the record, I have also watched the film, with the added bonus that as a former player I know the Middlebury playbook and thus the assignments/scheme. Out of all the offensive snaps, I saw just one where #67 debatably got beat, which was a late add-on blitzing LB on a pass play, and in my opinion the RB should have been there to help clean it up. I also saw a handful of plays where he drove Wesleyan defenders well off the ball and/or put them on the ground.

Anyway, on to Bowdoin.

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Quote from: MapleBBQChicken on September 13, 2024, 03:42:02 PM

Quote from: nescac1 on September 13, 2024, 02:14:35 PMCoach Raymond confirmed that Holden Gering is going to be a two-way starter at WR and CB.  When was the last time that happened in NESCAC?  It's certainly been a LONG time.  He's not a big guy at all, so hopefully he can hold up physically.

I'm kind of surprised we don't see a few other guys around the league pulling at least partial double-duty.  Like Perry, imagine adding him to the middle of the already-nasty Middlebury d-line on a handful of key defensive plays?  Richardson playing as a roaming free safety last year in must-pass situations would have been terrifying, as well.

Agreed that Perry would be a beast in the middle of the Middlebury DL between Kenary and Filias. That would be an immensely hard group to block. Middlebury has partially explored this idea, having Perry in at DT to block field goals and extra points last year.

Maybe Perry should just focus on blocking NESCACers rather than playing defense or playing on Sunday's...which from what we saw on Saturday, is not going to happen. 

Don't love this one. Thomas is the hardest worker I've ever met, and he is the last person asking for the attention and hype he got this offseason. It is simply a byproduct of his dedication. And football aside, the guy is a fantastic person – I've never met someone who doesn't like him. All I said was that he'd be hard to block (physical fact) and that he's been on the FG block team (which he was again on Saturday). And for all of Midd's struggles this weekend, I don't think he ever got beat in protection.

Take the victory lap on me all you want. You can leave the individual players out of it.

Tend to agree. I'm a Wes supporter and fan and was thrilled at their victory this weekend, but those are the types of comments I loathe no matter the circumstances. Win with grace. These are young men playing a game.

Be a winner, celebrate, get excited. This was a great victory for the team. But comments like that are completely unnecessary, and frankly, embarrassing.

John, nothing to do with our comment, which was fact based. We appreciate that you are a Wes "fan" but you know that you have been extremely critical of the team in the past. In our opinion, overly critical at times. Wes just had one of their best wins in a long time. How about some love for the Team for a change? Are you a self-hating Wesleyan fan who is only happy when they fail? Just curious...