Quote from: Gate 91 on October 17, 2024, 04:15:17 AMRespectfully I am going to have to check you on that one Lumber. If you will recall correctly Fetter used his Covid eligibility to play a 5th year. Zebrowski would've been the starter last year if it wasn't due to Fetter staying on for another season.

Yes, I think you are right. I stand corrected. Covid made a 5th year possible for Fetter. Covid had no effect on Zander who was a FY on the 2020 team.
My question is if Zander was on the roster in '20,'21,'22 and '23 how did he get a fifth year- was there an injury year for him?

Quote from: Gate 91 on October 17, 2024, 10:39:25 AMThis entire debate begs the provocative question of whether or not the quality of NESCAC football has decreased since this new transfer portal era. The best players in the league are now often times leaving to go play D1 ball, Lutz and Tomlinson being prominent examples. Thoughts?

IOO, the level of the play has improved over the years, especially as programs like Wes, Tufts, Bowdoin, and UBates have elevated their game. We've been around the NESCAC for over 40 years so we do have some perspective here.

Although we don't like seeing players like Richardson, Logan, Lutz, Helbig et al leave the league and play at FBS/FCS Programs, these situations seem to be the exception and not the rule. Also, not sure how much that will continue once the COVID exceptions end.We don't think that situation has had a major impact on the quality of play in the league and has given other solid players chances they may not have had.

What we think it comes down to is what's more important, football or a degree from a NESCAC school. We can only speak for Helbig and Tomlinson specifically, but they were both able have their cake and eat it too. They both graduated from Wes and were able to pursue graduate degree's at Wake and UNH, respectively. Without extra eligibility, that option would seemingly go out the window forcing would be transfers to leave a NESCAC school without getting a degree.

Quote from: lumbercat on October 17, 2024, 11:12:08 AM

Quote from: Gate 91 on October 17, 2024, 04:15:17 AMRespectfully I am going to have to check you on that one Lumber. If you will recall correctly Fetter used his Covid eligibility to play a 5th year. Zebrowski would've been the starter last year if it wasn't due to Fetter staying on for another season.

Yes, I think you are right. I stand corrected. Covid made a 5th year possible for Fetter. Covid had no effect on Zander who was a FY on the 2020 team.
My question is if Zander was on the roster in '20,'21,'22 and '23 how did he get a fifth year- was there an injury year for him?

C'mon Lumber, if you'd watched 9 Weeks (or even just looked at the roster) you'd know Zander is a graduate student. Having a grad school option is a distinct advantage that Trinity, Wesleyan, and Tufts have over the rest of the league which we probably don't talk about enough.

Per Trin 9-0's post on the upcoming game at Middlebury:
"Clapp is a mismatch for any corner in this league and cannot be covered 1 on 1."
"...Zebrowski has thrown exactly zero ints this season so I'm not particularly worried about that."   
"[Trinity's defense is] either 1st or 2nd in nearly every statistical defensive category. That's a scary prospect for the rest of the NESCAC to have such a young squad be one of the top two units in the league."

 

Is there a point to your post, G&P? If you're just going to repost what I wrote then you could have simply used the quote function.

I can only assume you think my opinion could be used as some sort of bulletin board material? I don't think it's off base to agree with the unbiased SP+ (or the biased Nescacman) projection that Trinity should be favored. If anything I was a bit surprised that fellow boardsters Maple and Honcho feel so confident that the Panthers will once again prevail against Trin. It's certainly not out of the question as upsets happen all the time. However I stand by everything I wrote about Clapp, Zebrowski, and the bright future of the Trinity defense.

As I recall you correctly picked the upset last season. Are you willing to predict Midd over Trinity two years in a row? If so, It seems I may actually be in the minority who thinks Trinity leaves Vermont with a win.

Second, it is a NESCAC recruiting guideline that the number of roster spots you have for admissions support is structured by class. What this means is that you would need an open spot in the class year that a transfer is joining. For example, if a kid is transferring in as a sophomore, then you either need to have brought in less than the maximum number of players the previous year or had one of your recruits quit after his freshman year.
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What is max numbers a team can bring in?  Based on sidelines looks like some teams are not taking the max.

Quote from: Trin9-0 on October 17, 2024, 12:41:37 PMIs there a point to your post, G&P? If you're just going to repost what I wrote then you could have simply used the quote function.

I can only assume you think my opinion could be used as some sort of bulletin board material? I don't think it's off base to agree with the unbiased SP+ (or the biased Nescacman) projection that Trinity should be favored. If anything I was a bit surprised that fellow boardsters Maple and Honcho feel so confident that the Panthers will once again prevail against Trin. It's certainly not out of the question as upsets happen all the time. However I stand by everything I wrote about Clapp, Zebrowski, and the bright future of the Trinity defense.

As I recall you correctly picked the upset last season. Are you willing to predict Midd over Trinity two years in a row? If so, It seems I may actually be in the minority who thinks Trinity leaves Vermont with a win.

Trin 9-0,

Middlebury is a notoriously hostile place to play. I definitely believe the weather could play a role this weekend, not sure if the Trinity team will be acclimated to the harsh conditions. From what I've hearing, A Panthers win is even money this weekend. Again, that unbiased. Thats just what I'm hearing.

Back to one of your previous claims, I would like to point out that #82 for Trinity is coming off 3 catches for 54 yards vs Hamilton. Not exactly "mismatch for any corner in this league and cannot be covered"statlines. Seems like similar production as Ben Skowronk on the 2020 Notre Dame Football team. Per my independent film review and analysis, I believe the key to victory will be each team's preparation. I believe the team who prioritized hydration, sleep, nutrition, etc will ultimately win the game. I like the Panthers.


- Honcho, NESCAC Legend

Quote from: Brady12 on October 17, 2024, 12:47:48 PMWhat is max numbers a team can bring in?  Based on sidelines looks like some teams are not taking the max.

The max number is set by each institution's admissions office, and thus varies school to school, but it is typically around 20. Some schools are also more flexible year to year than others. The cap is for recruits supported by admissions, so walk-ons would not count. It is definitely true that not every team hits their max every year. Different programs are also more or less lenient about taking walk-ons, so that could be affecting overall roster size as well.

Quote from: Trin9-0 on October 17, 2024, 12:41:37 PMIs there a point to your post, G&P? If you're just going to repost what I wrote then you could have simply used the quote function.

I can only assume you think my opinion could be used as some sort of bulletin board material? I don't think it's off base to agree with the unbiased SP+ (or the biased Nescacman) projection that Trinity should be favored. If anything I was a bit surprised that fellow boardsters Maple and Honcho feel so confident that the Panthers will once again prevail against Trin. It's certainly not out of the question as upsets happen all the time. However I stand by everything I wrote about Clapp, Zebrowski, and the bright future of the Trinity defense.

As I recall you correctly picked the upset last season. Are you willing to predict Midd over Trinity two years in a row? If so, It seems I may actually be in the minority who thinks Trinity leaves Vermont with a win.

I don't think I ever said anything to express strong confidence that Middlebury will win the game. I simply said the context of the game is somewhat similar to last year, which is objectively true. I even called Middlebury an underdog in a previous post. I have said that I think the game will be closer than the models project, with an upset being legitimately possible, and I stand by that. I think it will be a good game, and I certainly hope it falls the Panthers' way.

Quote from: mhoncho123 on October 17, 2024, 01:01:40 PM

Quote from: Trin9-0 on October 17, 2024, 12:41:37 PMIs there a point to your post, G&P? If you're just going to repost what I wrote then you could have simply used the quote function.

I can only assume you think my opinion could be used as some sort of bulletin board material? I don't think it's off base to agree with the unbiased SP+ (or the biased Nescacman) projection that Trinity should be favored. If anything I was a bit surprised that fellow boardsters Maple and Honcho feel so confident that the Panthers will once again prevail against Trin. It's certainly not out of the question as upsets happen all the time. However I stand by everything I wrote about Clapp, Zebrowski, and the bright future of the Trinity defense.

As I recall you correctly picked the upset last season. Are you willing to predict Midd over Trinity two years in a row? If so, It seems I may actually be in the minority who thinks Trinity leaves Vermont with a win.

Trin 9-0,

Middlebury is a notoriously hostile place to play. I definitely believe the weather could play a role this weekend, not sure if the Trinity team will be acclimated to the harsh conditions. From what I've hearing, A Panthers win is even money this weekend. Again, that unbiased. Thats just what I'm hearing.

Back to one of your previous claims, I would like to point out that #82 for Trinity is coming off 3 catches for 54 yards vs Hamilton. Not exactly "mismatch for any corner in this league and cannot be covered"statlines. Seems like similar production as Ben Skowronk on the 2020 Notre Dame Football team. Per my independent film review and analysis, I believe the key to victory will be each team's preparation. I believe the team who prioritized hydration, sleep, nutrition, etc will ultimately win the game. I like the Panthers.


- Honcho, NESCAC Legend

Trin9-0: Here is the confidence you were talking about.

Honcho: Not sure I agree with everything you said (for one, 65 and sunny is not exactly harsh conditions for Saturday), but as a Middlebury fan this was pretty electric to read. Welcome to the board.

Quote from: Trin9-0 on October 17, 2024, 11:56:30 AM

Quote from: lumbercat on October 17, 2024, 11:12:08 AM

Quote from: Gate 91 on October 17, 2024, 04:15:17 AMRespectfully I am going to have to check you on that one Lumber. If you will recall correctly Fetter used his Covid eligibility to play a 5th year. Zebrowski would've been the starter last year if it wasn't due to Fetter staying on for another season.

Yes, I think you are right. I stand corrected. Covid made a 5th year possible for Fetter. Covid had no effect on Zander who was a FY on the 2020 team.
My question is if Zander was on the roster in '20,'21,'22 and '23 how did he get a fifth year- was there an injury year for him?

C'mon Lumber, if you'd watched 9 Weeks (or even just looked at the roster) you'd know Zander is a graduate student. Having a grad school option is a distinct advantage that Trinity, Wesleyan, and Tufts have over the rest of the league which we probably don't talk about enough.

My Bad 9-o, I was thinking 2019 was the Covid year but it was 2020 which was Zander's Freshmen year. My error.
I'm well aware of the graduate programs in the NESCAC and the advantages those schools have.

Quote from: mhoncho123 on October 17, 2024, 01:01:40 PMBack to one of your previous claims, I would like to point out that #82 for Trinity is coming off 3 catches for 54 yards vs Hamilton. Not exactly "mismatch for any corner in this league and cannot be covered"statlines.

Last year Sean Clapp led the NESCAC in receptions, yards, and touchdowns. The fact that his teammate, Nolan O'Brien, currently leads the league in touchdowns and is second in receptions and yards is due in large part to Clapp drawing additional defenders. I would have thought a NESCAC legend could grasp that concept. Watch the film; Clapp is elite.

Quote from: Trin9-0 on October 17, 2024, 01:27:44 PM

Quote from: mhoncho123 on October 17, 2024, 01:01:40 PMBack to one of your previous claims, I would like to point out that #82 for Trinity is coming off 3 catches for 54 yards vs Hamilton. Not exactly "mismatch for any corner in this league and cannot be covered"statlines.

Last year Sean Clapp led the NESCAC in receptions, yards, and touchdowns. The fact that his teammate, Nolan O'Brien, currently leads the league in touchdowns and is second in receptions and yards is due in large part to Clapp drawing additional defenders. I would have thought a NESCAC legend could grasp that concept. Watch the film; Clapp is elite.

Trin 9-0,

Obviously, no disrespect towards #82. Definitely a good ball player. #82 had a great year last, no doubt, but was it maybe too good? Since you like to reminisce so much, #82's 2024 statline seems very on par with his 2022 statline. Are you prepared to acknowledge that his 2023 year might've been a fluke? Seems very similar to Patrick Jeffers' 1999 season for the Carolina Panthers. Furthermore, if Clapp truly was an elite receiver, I would hope his statline vs Hamilton would be better that 3catches/54yds/0TDs. Maybe the Hamilton defense is equally elite? Who knows. Excited for Saturday.

Please don't question my knowledge of ball. Outside of my freshman year roommate, I've logged more hours in the film room in my career than just about anyone.

- Honcho, NESCAC Legend

Per Trin 9-0's post on the upcoming game at Middlebury:
"Clapp is a mismatch for any corner in this league and cannot be covered 1 on 1."
"...Zebrowski has thrown exactly zero ints this season so I'm not particularly worried about that."   
"[Trinity's defense is] either 1st or 2nd in nearly every statistical defensive category. That's a scary prospect for the rest of the NESCAC to have such a young squad be one of the top two units in the league."

Can we hold off on the roster spot dialogue until the season is over - nothing is more boring